Buffalo Bills 2018 Salary Cap

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

This discussion is going on in many threads so I thought if we focused this in one thread it would help.   Spotrac has this cool new (to me anyway) toy to play with 

 

Estimated Cap of $31,336,937.  So lets play GM on Spotrac 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/    go here and Click on Manage Roster 

Manage Roster

with the log listed below the new Estimated Cap of $53,026,937

$53,026,937

TRANSACTIONS LOG

1. Released Tyrod Taylor
   (Saved: $9,440,000)
2. Restructured Cordy Glenn 
   (Saved: $5,640,000)
3. Restructured Jerry Hughes 
   (Saved: $2,717,500)
4. Restructured Charles Clay 
   (Saved: $1,792,500)
5. Restructured LeSean McCoy 
   (Saved: $2,580,000)

 

Releasing TT alone gives them a cap savings of  

$9,440,000  and a new figure of  $40,296,937

Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Who would you keep, release and or restructure?  

 

Unrestricted Free Agents
QB Joe Webb
RB Mike Tolbert
RB Travaris Cadet
RB Taiwan Jones
WR Deonte Thompson
WR Jordan Matthews
WR Brandon Tate
WR Jeremy Butler
OT Seantrel Henderson
DL Kyle Williams
DL Cedric Thornton
LB Preston Brown
LB Ramon Humber
CB EJ Gaines
CB Leonard Johnson
CB Shareece Wright
S Colt Anderson
S Shamarko Thomas
 
Exclusive Rights Free Agents
TE Nick O’Leary
TE Logan Thomas
DE Eddie Yarbrough
CB Lafayette Pitts

Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[SoFFacet]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that while restructuring contracts frees up cap room this year, it pushes those costs onto subsequent years. Beane has voiced opposition to this tactic several times, even using the phrase "kicking the can down the road." It sounds like one of his major goals has been to fix the teams' cap situation by paying out our expensive contracts as soon as possible. 2018 would be a prime year to do that. 

[Bray Wyatt]

8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Who would you keep, release and or restructure?  

 

Unrestricted Free Agents
QB Joe Webb - let walk
RB Mike Tolbert - let walk
RB Travaris Cadet - keep (either him or Jones)
RB Taiwan Jones -, keep (either him or Cadet)
WR Deonte Thompson - walk
WR Jordan Matthews - walk
WR Brandon Tate - walk
WR Jeremy Butler - walk
OT Seantrel Henderson - walk
DL Kyle Williams - keep (assuming he wants to come back)
DL Cedric Thornton - keep (we need depth)
LB Preston Brown - depends on asking price
LB Ramon Humber - keep if we dont re-sign brown
CB EJ Gaines - would like to keep, depends on asking price
CB Leonard Johnson - keep
CB Shareece Wright - walk
S Colt Anderson - walk
S Shamarko Thomas - walk
 
Exclusive Rights Free Agents
TE Nick O’Leary - keep
TE Logan Thomas - keep
DE Eddie Yarbrough - keep
CB Lafayette Pitts - walk

 

Here is my initial reaction

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, SoFFacet said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that while restructuring contracts frees up cap room this year, it pushes those costs onto subsequent years. Beane has voiced opposition to this tactic several times, even using the phrase "kicking the can down the road." It sounds like one of his major goals has been to fix the teams' cap situation by paying out our expensive contracts as soon as possible. 2018 would be a prime year to do that. 

This is true.  What players do you want to keep another 2 to 5 years?   Those are the ones I would target.  

 

[SoFFacet]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

This is true.  What players do you want to keep another 2 to 5 years?   Those are the ones I would target.  

 

 

I understand. Still, even if you only restructure guys you plan to keep, while they will be cheaper this year, they will be more expensive towards the cap in the other years. 

[row_33]

1 minute ago, SoFFacet said:

 

I understand. Still, even if you only restructure guys you plan to keep, while they will be cheaper this year, they will be more expensive towards the cap in the other years. 

 

Seems every single statement from the experts give a different answer for a salary cap amount for a given team...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, SoFFacet said:

 

I understand. Still, even if you only restructure guys you plan to keep, while they will be cheaper this year, they will be more expensive towards the cap in the other years. 

and every year the cap goes up.  The key is to not overpay or heavily back load a contract 

[Magox]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

This discussion is going on in many threads so I thought if we focused this in one thread it would help.   Spotrac has this cool new (to me anyway) toy to play with 

 

Estimated Cap of $31,336,937.  So lets play GM on Spotrac 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/    go here and Click on Manage Roster 

Manage Roster

with the log listed below the new Estimated Cap of $53,026,937

$53,026,937

TRANSACTIONS LOG

1. Released Tyrod Taylor
   (Saved: $9,440,000)
2. Restructured Cordy Glenn 
   (Saved: $5,640,000)
3. Restructured Jerry Hughes 
   (Saved: $2,717,500)
4. Restructured Charles Clay 
   (Saved: $1,792,500)
5. Restructured LeSean McCoy 
   (Saved: $2,580,000)

 

Releasing TT alone gives them a cap savings of  

$9,440,000  and a new figure of  $40,296,937

Does this include the estimated increase of the cap?

[SoFFacet]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

and every year the cap goes up.  The key is to not overpay or heavily back load a contract 

 

Okay. But the cap will go up regardless. If we just pay our guys this year, that would maximize our cap space in 2019 and beyond. I would still release Tyrod because we can't have him lingering around as we try to move on. But other than that I wouldn't restructure anyone. 

[Virgil]

Trade/Cut TT 

Trade Glenn - Dawkins did fine, save money, get picks 

 

The rest - Trust the process

 

Oh yeah....keep Tolbert off the field!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

Does this include the estimated increase of the cap?

To be honest  I'm not sure.  

after looking  I would would guess yes.  2017  was just under $167,000,000

Adjusted (projected ) 2018 cap  $188,668,589

 

An increase of ~ $21,668,589

 

Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[FearLess Price]

51 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Trade/Cut TT 

Trade Glenn - Dawkins did fine, save money, get picks 

 

The rest - Trust the process

 

Oh yeah....keep Tolbert off the field!

 

Pretty much on board with this idea. Let Tolbert chill in the OC booth all season.

[BillsFan130]

Thanks. Good thread. I was wondering about the cap situation next year, especially with the dead money from Woo and TT if they release him

[SouthNYfan]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Who would you keep, release and or restructure?  

 

Unrestricted Free Agents
QB Joe Webb
RB Mike Tolbert
RB Travaris Cadet
RB Taiwan Jones
WR Deonte Thompson
WR Jordan Matthews
WR Brandon Tate
WR Jeremy Butler
OT Seantrel Henderson
DL Kyle Williams
DL Cedric Thornton
LB Preston Brown
LB Ramon Humber
CB EJ Gaines
CB Leonard Johnson
CB Shareece Wright
S Colt Anderson
S Shamarko Thomas
 
Exclusive Rights Free Agents
TE Nick O’Leary
TE Logan Thomas
DE Eddie Yarbrough
CB Lafayette Pitts

 

100% keep:

Jordan Matthews (we need WRs. He's solid)

Ej Gaines (he's my #1 FA to keep)

Kyle Williams (just gotta keep him)

Taiwan Jones (just the name alone makes it worthwhile imo)

 

The rest I haven't looked into enough to really give opinion on, other than Tolbert, please be gone!!

 

 

 

Also I think hapless had found somewhere that if we could trade Tyrod it would save another $7-8mil off his cap hit with only $2.5 dead money

(Assuming you could find a partner, which isn't likely)

Edited February 1, 2018 by SouthNYfan
Added tyrod

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

37 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

100% keep:

Jordan Matthews (we need WRs. He's solid)

Ej Gaines (he's my #1 FA to keep)

Kyle Williams (just gotta keep him)

Taiwan Jones (just the name alone makes it worthwhile imo)

 

The rest I haven't looked into enough to really give opinion on, other than Tolbert, please be gone!!

 

Also I think hapless had found somewhere that if we could trade Tyrod it would save another $7-8mil off his cap hit with only $2.5 dead money

(Assuming you could find a partner, which isn't likely)

 

Yeah, I heard similar.  Unfortunately the tool doesn't have an I didn't use the option for "Trade".  I was also wondering how the Wood retirement changes things.   I've heard the Bills have to eat the cap cost.  

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/1/29/16947080/eric-woods-retirement-on-hold-as-nflpa-buffalo-bills-tussle-over-signing-bonus-money-salary-cap

 

an excerpt 

 

“Center Eric Wood’s retirement is on hold over questions about whether the Buffalo Bills can ask him to return a portion of the contract bonus he received for signing a two-year extension in August, a person with direct knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press,” reports John Wawrow. Wawrow notes this is why Wood did not announce his retirement.

Wood received a $6.5 million signing bonus in 2017 as part of the new contract. He has $4 million remaining in pro-rated signing bonus money that seems to be at the core of the argument.

Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[SouthNYfan]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Yeah, I heard similar.  Unfortunately the tool doesn't have an option for "Trade".  I was also wondering how the Wood retirement changes things.   I've heard the Bills have to eat the cap cost.  

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/1/29/16947080/eric-woods-retirement-on-hold-as-nflpa-buffalo-bills-tussle-over-signing-bonus-money-salary-cap

 

an excerpt 

 

“Center Eric Wood’s retirement is on hold over questions about whether the Buffalo Bills can ask him to return a portion of the contract bonus he received for signing a two-year extension in August, a person with direct knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press,” reports John Wawrow. Wawrow notes this is why Wood did not announce his retirement.

Wood received a $6.5 million signing bonus in 2017 as part of the new contract. He has $4 million remaining in pro-rated signing bonus money that seems to be at the core of the argument.

 

It does have trade!!

I just used it!

It's the little blue arrow thing

 

Can only trade for a player, so I traded hotrod to Cleveland for a guy making like $50k just to pretend it was a draft pick

 

Then I restructured shady and Glenn, cut wood just as an estimate

 

Left me with $51mil about open cap

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Traded Tyrod Taylor (BUF)  for Dontrell Nelson (DEN)  - cheapest guy on the roster
(Saved: $10,438,666)

Cap $41,296,937

Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[bills8323]

Do you see us keeping Travaris Cadet or Taiwan Jones?? Do we not keep either, or maybe both??..Who do you prefer?

[John from Riverside]

I would love to keep Cadet

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Traded Tyrod Taylor (BUF)  for Dontrell Nelson (DEN)  - cheapest guy on the roster
(Saved: $10,438,666)

Cap $41,296,937

Yeah, trade saves us $1M more than cut.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

26 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Yeah, trade saves us $1M more than cut.

which could be offset by the player you trade with.   whats the rookie minimum  $465,000 ? 

[Bray Wyatt]

48 minutes ago, bills8323 said:

Do you see us keeping Travaris Cadet or Taiwan Jones?? Do we not keep either, or maybe both??..Who do you prefer?

 

I like Cadet as more of a RB where i think Taiwan Jones adds more ST value. I would prefer Cadet but it depends on when he is expected to return from his injury and how his recovery goes.

[SaviorPeterman]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

This discussion is going on in many threads so I thought if we focused this in one thread it would help.   Spotrac has this cool new (to me anyway) toy to play with 

 

Estimated Cap of $31,336,937.  So lets play GM on Spotrac 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/    go here and Click on Manage Roster 

Manage Roster

with the log listed below the new Estimated Cap of $53,026,937

$53,026,937

TRANSACTIONS LOG

1. Released Tyrod Taylor
   (Saved: $9,440,000)
2. Restructured Cordy Glenn 
   (Saved: $5,640,000)
3. Restructured Jerry Hughes 
   (Saved: $2,717,500)
4. Restructured Charles Clay 
   (Saved: $1,792,500)
5. Restructured LeSean McCoy 
   (Saved: $2,580,000)

 

Releasing TT alone gives them a cap savings of  

$9,440,000  and a new figure of  $40,296,937

 

Glenn is going to be released or traded, regardless there is no place for him on this roster with Dawkin's emergence.

[Matt_In_NH]

I would not support restructuring Clay, Glenn, McCoy for various reasons and I don't think that will happen.  Hughes is a restructure candidate to me.  The team seems to want to get away from Glenn and if you just let Clay play on the 9 million dollar number you will be out from under his deal.  Clay's knees are a concern,  you could waive him in 2019 and save 4.5 million.   I really dont think you want to make the relationship longer at this point.   McCoy could be reworked but I would rather just let him play it out and see where he is at.

 

I also dont think we have to spend ridiculous money for next year, the holes will not all get filled this off season.   A rookie QB will take time to develop so you really want an infusion of talent as your QB is developing.  take your medicine in 2018 and the cap will be in great shape moving forward.

Edited February 1, 2018 by mattynh

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, mattynh said:

I would not support restructuring Clay, Glenn, McCoy for various reasons and I don't think that will happen.  Hughes is a restructure candidate to me.  The team seems to want to get away from Glenn and if you just let Clay play on the 9 million dollar number you will be out from under his deal.  Clay's knees are a concern,  you could waive him in 2019 and save 4.5 million.   I really dont think you want to make the relationship longer at this point.   McCoy could be reworked but I would rather just let him play it out and see where he is at.

 

I also dont think we have to spend ridiculous money for next year, the holes will not all get filled this off season.   A rookie QB will take time to develop so you really want an infusion of talent as your QB is developing.  take your medicine in 2018 and the cap will be in great shape moving forward.

Does it? 

 

Cordy Glenn was given the big bucks for a reason.   He did his job.  If your worried about the $ restructure.  Losing Woods makes it important that the Bills don't trash the O Line by dropping players willy nilly. 

 

Contract status for 2018: signed; $14.45 million cap hit ($11.1 million dead cap figure if released)

Age: 28 (29 on 9/18/18)

Playing time: 275 snaps (26.14% of offensive snaps), 24 ST snaps (5.49%)

Key statistics: 2 sacks allowed, 0 penalties

Edited February 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[CritMark]

While you are playing GM and manipulating cap space, don't forget you have to leave room for your 2018 draft picks.  Based on numbers from overthecap.com the Bills need $8.45MM.  

 

Just thought I would complicate things a bit as people are trying to free up money to sign _____ (insert favorite player/UFA here).

 

[Matt_In_NH]

22 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Does it? 

 

Cordy Glenn was given the big bucks for a reason.   He did his job.  If your worried about the $ restructure.  Losing Woods makes it important that the Bills don't trash the O Line by dropping players willy nilly. 

 

Contract status for 2018: signed; $14.45 million cap hit ($11.1 million dead cap figure if released)

Age: 28 (29 on 9/18/18)

Playing time: 275 snaps (26.14% of offensive snaps), 24 ST snaps (5.49%)

Key statistics: 2 sacks allowed, 0 penalties

 

I don't really disagree with you in terms of valuing Cordy Glenn, I like him.   But one can argue that in the past he did his job, the last two years he has not been available and that is a problem.   This new regime seems to stress availability and the seem to want to purge any high priced guy on the roster.   There have been many rumors, enough that there is very likely something to it.   I would like to see Dawkins at RT with a healthy Glenn but something tells me he gets moved.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, CritMark said:

While you are playing GM and manipulating cap space, don't forget you have to leave room for your 2018 draft picks.  Based on numbers from overthecap.com the Bills need $8.45MM.  

 

Just thought I would complicate things a bit as people are trying to free up money to sign _____ (insert favorite player/UFA here).

 

$25 currently

Release and restructuring, $25 playing break the bank GM and a QB still leaves $25.  

A push.  

 

3 hours ago, mattynh said:

 

I don't really disagree with you in terms of valuing Cordy Glenn, I like him.   But one can argue that in the past he did his job, the last two years he has not been available and that is a problem.   This new regime seems to stress availability and the seem to want to purge any high priced guy on the roster.   There have been many rumors, enough that there is very likely something to it.   I would like to see Dawkins at RT with a healthy Glenn but something tells me he gets moved.

I originally had Cordy released and I think the cap hit left them at $47 I think.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I  bumping this because people are arguing TT’s cap cost / savings.   

 

Don't guess, use the tool provided.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 2/1/2018 at 10:55 AM, ShadyBillsFan said:

To be honest  I'm not sure.  

after looking  I would would guess yes.  2017  was just under $167,000,000

Adjusted (projected ) 2018 cap  $188,668,589

 

An increase of ~ $21,668,589

 

 

 

...it's all predicated on TV contracts and the NFL is in the driver's seat.....sure advertisers want clauses for rate reductions if ratings decline......BUT...where else are they going to spend those dollars on an NFL Sunday?....."I Love Lucy" or "Lawrence Welk" reruns?......the Weather Channel?........the money is in the bank IMO.....

[BigDingus]

What I'm curious about is how the Bills are able to keep up with the rise in cap each year...

I mean we're a small market, and the most recent lists have us as the least valued team in the NFL (and bottom 3 in revenue), so how do we manage to stay competitive financially?

And in a few more years of the cap increases, it'll start to surpass our total revenue each year... Plus, I'm not sure the exact number, but I know NFL teams have to spend a minimum amount of money (which also increases yearly), sooo... Unless revenue sharing increases quite a bit, it's a bit concerning. I'm sure there's something that'll help them out, but at some point the League isn't going to want to carry small teams that aren't able to create their own profit.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

What I'm curious about is how the Bills are able to keep up with the rise in cap each year...

I mean we're a small market, and the most recent lists have us as the least valued team in the NFL (and bottom 3 in revenue), so how do we manage to stay competitive financially?

And in a few more years of the cap increases, it'll start to surpass our total revenue each year... Plus, I'm not sure the exact number, but I know NFL teams have to spend a minimum amount of money (which also increases yearly), sooo... Unless revenue sharing increases quite a bit, it's a bit concerning. I'm sure there's something that'll help them out, but at some point the League isn't going to want to carry small teams that aren't able to create their own profit.

 

...not sure I understand......cap dollars are equally shared revenues from TV contracts which big market pigs like Jurry and Boy Danny Snyder loathe.........ancillary revenues like suites, etc are kept by the clubs and these azzclowns think small market teams like Bflo should be able to command the same dollars that they do....our corporate suite at New Era is 75 grand a year......game day food and beverage is $1,500.....limo bus and tailgating eats/drinks is $1,200.....our same $100 grand a year at New Era would be $250-$300 grand at Jurry or Boy Danny's major market palaces.....we'd be out in a nanosecond if those became New Era tariffs....

Edited February 9, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

What I'm curious about is how the Bills are able to keep up with the rise in cap each year...

I mean we're a small market, and the most recent lists have us as the least valued team in the NFL (and bottom 3 in revenue), so how do we manage to stay competitive financially?

And in a few more years of the cap increases, it'll start to surpass our total revenue each year... Plus, I'm not sure the exact number, but I know NFL teams have to spend a minimum amount of money (which also increases yearly), sooo... Unless revenue sharing increases quite a bit, it's a bit concerning. I'm sure there's something that'll help them out, but at some point the League isn't going to want to carry small teams that aren't able to create their own profit.

All they need to do is fill seats.  

 

The NFL takes care of the rest.   

[Manther]

On 2018-02-01 at 10:30 AM, Virgil said:

Trade/Cut TT 

Trade Glenn - Dawkins did fine, save money, get picks 

 

The rest - Trust the process

 

Oh yeah....keep Tolbert off the field!

Virgil....I usually agree with you.  Don’t agree with cutting Glenn.

[Virgil]

32 minutes ago, Manther said:

Virgil....I usually agree with you.  Don’t agree with cutting Glenn.

 

If he’s healthy and we are going to kick someone to RT, I would keep him. 

 

I expect him him to be cut or traded based off how this regime works. 

 

I personally like the guy, but his injury history worries me and if we can save the money on the cap when we know we have his cheaper replacement on the roster, then I’m okay with it

[Manther]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

If he’s healthy and we are going to kick someone to RT, I would keep him. 

 

I expect him him to be cut or traded based off how this regime works. 

 

I personally like the guy, but his injury history worries me and if we can save the money on the cap when we know we have his cheaper replacement on the roster, then I’m okay with it

Ok, slightly or more so agree with that.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

~ 3 weeks left for FA to be "legal" 

[ALF]

On 2/1/2018 at 1:32 PM, SaviorPeterman said:

 

Glenn is going to be released or traded, regardless there is no place for him on this roster with Dawkin's emergence.

 

If Glenn is 100% try him and Dawkin at RT . If they are only suited for LT , I would still keep Glenn except for a high draft pick or player trade.

[atlbillsfan1975]

I believe the Bills are going to take the same approach to Glenn as they did with Watkins. 

Show he is healthy and then trade him in August  for picks and a player. This is the biggest savings. I also believe we will get a tip on this being possible with Henderson. IF Henderson is healthy, look for him to be brought back as a swing tackle. Making Glenn the odd man out. Glenn’s contract is also one where trading him post June 1st makes the most financial sense.

Edited February 21, 2018 by atlbillsfan1975