26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Nice thread. These tweets sum it all up pretty well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So...makes mistakes, scary mechanics, and he's from USC? What's not to love? 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Doc said: So...makes mistakes, scary mechanics, and he's from USC? What's not to love? but...he could be good...maybe... his mechanics are horrible. not sure how he got this far throwing like that. he worked with Jordan Palmer to fix it last year yet he's right back to throwing that way so that tells me there's no changing it at this point. you just have to accept it if you want the player and he has shown that he can be a good player. his ceiling isn't as high as someone like Josh Allen but his basement also isn't as low. he's likely to be a middle of the pack type QB. not exactly a screaming endorsement for what might be the #1 overall player selected in the draft. tough call for Cleveland. do they gamble and take the QB that has the potential to be a top 5 player or do you take the QB that has proven he's a player and has had success at the position? i'd personally take Josh Rosen but he apparently doesn't want to play for them so that only leaves those 2 guys. it will be interesting to see how it goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, kdiggz said: but...he could be good...maybe... his mechanics are horrible. not sure how he got this far throwing like that. he worked with Jordan Palmer to fix it last year yet he's right back to throwing that way so that tells me there's no changing it at this point. you just have to accept it if you want the player and he has shown that he can be a good player. his ceiling isn't as high as someone like Josh Allen but his basement also isn't as low. he's likely to be a middle of the pack type QB. not exactly a screaming endorsement for what might be the #1 overall player selected in the draft. tough call for Cleveland. do they gamble and take the QB that has the potential to be a top 5 player or do you take the QB that has proven he's a player and has had success at the position? i'd personally take Josh Rosen but he apparently doesn't want to play for them so that only leaves those 2 guys. it will be interesting to see how it goes He's 20. And he actually had a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, kdiggz said: but...he could be good...maybe... his mechanics are horrible. not sure how he got this far throwing like that. he worked with Jordan Palmer to fix it last year yet he's right back to throwing that way so that tells me there's no changing it at this point. you just have to accept it if you want the player and he has shown that he can be a good player. his ceiling isn't as high as someone like Josh Allen but his basement also isn't as low. he's likely to be a middle of the pack type QB. not exactly a screaming endorsement for what might be the #1 overall player selected in the draft. tough call for Cleveland. do they gamble and take the QB that has the potential to be a top 5 player or do you take the QB that has proven he's a player and has had success at the position? i'd personally take Josh Rosen but he apparently doesn't want to play for them so that only leaves those 2 guys. it will be interesting to see how it goes if you are Cleveland and Rosen is your top guy, take him. he either plays for you, or you trade him for a mother-load of picks. CLE is in a great position draft wise if they don't screw it up. (a BIG if) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Watched him only twice last year, wasn't impressed either time. Probably a lock to be a Bill then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, Doc said: So...makes mistakes, scary mechanics, and he's from USC? What's not to love? Did we sign him for a few days a couple of years ago? http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Bills-sign-veteran-QB-Matt-Leinart/7d624a8c-42e8-4920-a143-cde711071880 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: Watched him only twice last year, wasn't impressed either time. Probably a lock to be a Bill then... Watch more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Don't see the Rodgers comparison as the ceiling either. His arm isn't that electric I think on the high end he is a Big Ben. Big, athletic, can throw from the pocket but is dangerous throwing on the move, tough to sack If he becomes Big Ben whoever drafted him will be mighty happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Yet he will go in the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: but...he could be good...maybe... his mechanics are horrible. not sure how he got this far throwing like that. he worked with Jordan Palmer to fix it last year yet he's right back to throwing that way so that tells me there's no changing it at this point. you just have to accept it if you want the player and he has shown that he can be a good player. his ceiling isn't as high as someone like Josh Allen but his basement also isn't as low. he's likely to be a middle of the pack type QB. not exactly a screaming endorsement for what might be the #1 overall player selected in the draft. tough call for Cleveland. do they gamble and take the QB that has the potential to be a top 5 player or do you take the QB that has proven he's a player and has had success at the position? i'd personally take Josh Rosen but he apparently doesn't want to play for them so that only leaves those 2 guys. it will be interesting to see how it goes His mechanics are far from horrible. He has a long throwing motion, but that doesn’t mean the mechanics are “horrible.” His footwork is fine and he knows how to manipulate the pocket. You know who else has a long throwing motion? Russell Wilson. 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Watched him only twice last year, wasn't impressed either time. Probably a lock to be a Bill then... I was trying to Google your scouting report. Glad I came here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) After watching him in the Cotton Bowl, I was less worried about his ability and more concerned with his demeanor. He made some big time throws and was under extreme duress the whole game. His teammates - from the OL to the running game to the WRs - did very little to help him out. However, what struck me the most was how he looked at various times terrified, dazed, uninterested, disengaged. He didn’t look like a leader or that he cared about the outcome of the game. Everything he did just looked really slow. I came away thinking that he needs another year. But I understand why he declared. He has a ton of potential as a nfl qb imo, just don’t see the fire/competitive drive in him. Maybe it is there, and just didn’t come through during that game. Edited January 31, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Lurker said: Watched him only twice last year, wasn't impressed either time. Probably a lock to be a Bill then... Watched every game he played. Impresses the hell out of me. 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Don't see the Rodgers comparison as the ceiling either. His arm isn't that electric I think on the high end he is a Big Ben. Big, athletic, can throw from the pocket but is dangerous throwing on the move, tough to sack If he becomes Big Ben whoever drafted him will be mighty happy His arm is plenty good and his accuracy is outstanding. And he's not a timid thrower. 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: After watching him in the Cotton Bowl, I was less worried about his ability and more concerned with his demeanor. He made some big time throws and was under extreme duress the whole game. His teammates - from the OL to the running game to the WRs - did very little to help him out. However, what struck me the most was how he looked at various times terrified, dazed, uninterested, disengaged. He didn’t look like a leader or that he cared about the outcome of the game. Everything he did just looked really slow. I came away thinking that he needs another year. But I understand why he declared. He has a ton of potential as a nfl qb imo, just don’t see the fire/competitive drive in him. Maybe it is there, and just didn’t come through during that game. First time you've watched him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: After watching him in the Cotton Bowl, I was less worried about his ability and more concerned with his demeanor. He made some big time throws and was under extreme duress the whole game. His teammates - from the OL to the running game to the WRs - did very little to help him out. However, what struck me the most was how he looked at various times terrified, dazed, uninterested, disengaged. He didn’t look like a leader or that he cared about the outcome of the game. Everything he did just looked really slow. I came away thinking that he needs another year. But I understand why he declared. He has a ton of potential as a nfl qb imo, just don’t see the fire/competitive drive in him. Maybe it is there, and just didn’t come through during that game. Yeah, those intangibles are hard to gauge, especially from a fan's perspective. And then the transition to the NFL can !@#$ it up for better or worse. I watch mostly Pac12 games because it's my local region. The kid seems to have "it." Rosen, also. Sometimes "it" is different at the college level than it is at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, yungmack said: Watched every game he played. Impresses the hell out of me. His arm is plenty good and his accuracy is outstanding. And he's not a timid thrower. Well I don't think I ever said his arm or accuracy wasn't good... I compared him to a HoF QB... His arm isn't as electric as Rodgers and that's just a fact. He doesn't have the velocity or put the same rotation on the Ball as Rodgers... and that's not a knock , Rodgers has one of the best arms ever Edited January 31, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Overrated prospect. Was really unimpressive in USC Bowl game against Ohio ST. Just say NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Lurker said: Watched him only twice last year, wasn't impressed either time. Probably a lock to be a Bill then... I wasn't always impressed with the results but I think his talent is very clear. He should have stayed at USC to polish his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 27 minutes ago, yungmack said: Watched every game he played. Impresses the hell out of me. His arm is plenty good and his accuracy is outstanding. And he's not a timid thrower. First time you've watched him? No, I watched his bowl game last year (loved). I saw a couple USC games this year but didn’t watch closely. PAC 10 after dark is too late for yolo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 hours ago, HappyDays said: Nice thread. These tweets sum it all up pretty well: Bad omen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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