JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Lurker said: Maybe waiting on a few new hires (QB coach, etc.) so they can introduce everyone together... Group selfie? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Just his OC gigs (Daboll's seasons in bold)... Browns - From 31st (2008) to 28th (2009) to 27th (2010) to 28th (2011) Dolphins - From 14th (2010) to 24th (2011) to 11th (2012) Chiefs - From 32nd (2011) to 32nd (2012) to 5th (2013 - Andy Reid and Alex Smith) Alabama - From 25th (2016) to 46th (2017) Not encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Not encouraging. I'm not sure how old many of the posters focusing on his past OC gigs are, but I bet they're not the same person today that they were 7-9 years ago. And It's likely Daboll's not either. Smart people grow and learn new things from their experiences. Five rings and a college championship in the years since the Chiefs job is a pretty good learning environment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: I'm not sure how old many of the posters focusing on his past OC gigs are, but I bet they're not the same person today that they were 7-9 years ago. And It's likely Daboll's not either. Smart people grow and learn new things from their experiences. Five rings and a college championship in the years since the Chiefs job is a pretty good learning environment... That is true considering he got his first OC job at a pretty young age (33). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Lurker said: I'm not sure how old many of the posters focusing on his past OC gigs are, but I bet they're not the same person today that they were 7-9 years ago. And It's likely Daboll's not either. Smart people grow and learn new things from their experiences. Five rings and a college championship in the years since the Chiefs job is a pretty good learning environment... Maybe, but taking Alabama from 25th to 46th in red zone scoring is a little disconcerting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Maybe, but taking Alabama from 25th to 46th in red zone scoring is a little disconcerting. It’s 46 out of 130, and it was only a difference of about 3% between 2016 and 2017. I hated their offense but I hated it with lane too. They have so many recruits they want to involve so it looks like they play everyone and Lane would lose track of who he needed to get the ball to. OSU was 21 or whatever and their offense was worse. It’s just hard to gauge in college with QBs who don’t threaten in the passing game. Edited January 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Maybe, but taking Alabama from 25th to 46th in red zone scoring is a little disconcerting. Alabama's red zone scoring percentage: 2016: 89.2% (58 of 65) TDs: 40 FGs: 18 http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/team/8/redzone/offense/split.html 2017: 85.3% (58 of 68) TDs: 46 FGs: 12 http://www.cfbstats.com/2017/team/8/redzone/offense/split.htm I'll take 2017, thanks... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Any guesses why the Bill's have not introduced Daboll yet ? Other staff changes coming Contractual reasons (buyout clause at ALA) Interference from another organization (Pats) 1 I'd say McDermott is out of the office and wants to be there for the introductory conference. Staff changes beyond this are almost certain. The buyout clause from AL was $250K so that's a pack of skittles in Pegulabucks..... Interference from the Pats is interesting...do you know something you are not telling us???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) On 15/01/2018 at 3:54 PM, billsfan11 said: When a man thinks a guy got fired because he got promoted to a head coach, that should all but tell you right there about his football knowledge. The only way Lynn was staying in Buffalo was if he got the HC job here. If he hadn't landed one anywhere he was going to be an OC somewhere else in the league - probably San Francisco with the connection to the Shanahans. So Lynn was out in Buffalo regardless once he wasn't going to be HC. Now you are right that he got promoted... but even if he hadn't he wasn't coming back. Edited January 17, 2018 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: I'm not sure if Dennison and Castillo are friends but I believe you are thinking of when Mike Waufle was being recruited by the Bills. He's good friends with Castillo and was the one who said in that video about how he was excited Castillo is coming too. Oh - you may be right - thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 hours ago, JoeF said: I'd say McDermott is out of the office and wants to be there for the introductory conference. Staff changes beyond this are almost certain. The buyout clause from AL was $250K so that's a pack of skittles in Pegulabucks..... Interference from the Pats is interesting...do you know something you are not telling us???? The "interference" on the Pats is not possible, no NFL ref would ever call them for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 hours ago, Bills Pimpin' said: Certainly not on purpose but he will be on the roster. He may surprise everyone and play fantastic. 12 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: That is certainly in the realm of possibility. I agree 100% Except for the playing fantastic part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The only way Lynn was staying in Buffalo was if he got the HC job here. If he hadn't landed one anywhere he was going to be an OC somewhere else in the league - probably San Francisco with the connection to the Shanahans. So Lynn was out in Buffalo regardless once he wasn't going to be HC. Now you are right that he got promoted... but even if he hadn't he wasn't coming back. You’re correct. But not bringing Lynn back wouldn’t have been because he did a bad job. He wouldn’t have been back because the new head coach would want to bring in his own guys/system to the table. Edited January 17, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 16 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Serious question: when an oc leaves, does he have to leave the play book? In any job I've ever had anything I develop is property of the company. I wonder if football works that way too. At the very least, the bills still have the game film and a lot of the players that ran it. Couldn't be that hard to figure out. Exactly. The coach can see what was going on in the play just by watching film. If he has any questions about a particular player's role in the play, he can simply show the player (or another teammate playing the same position) the film and say "what was your assignment supposed to be here on this play?". It makes absolutely no difference if he sees the play in a playbook or not. For the most part, it is immaterial really. After all, the only plays he is going to want to assimilate are going to be the most successful ones that were executed well previously. How many plays are we really talking about - a few dozen perhaps - give or take. On the same note, the new coach should be looking at plays that failed and whether any plays in his playbook closely match those. Then decide if those closely matching plays ought to be ripped out and burned in effigy. Problem with coaches is most of them are like chef's with egos. They could follow someone else's recipe that is known to taste great, but they insist on following their own recipe anyway. My kitchen. My recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Maybe, but taking Alabama from 25th to 46th in red zone scoring is a little disconcerting. What does that mean though? What is the difference between 25th in 2016 and 46th in 2017? Truly asking as merely listing the rankings dont tell any of the story. Did other teams also get better in the red zone while Bama stayed the same, which effectively pushed them down? Also... From down here in the heart of SEC country, the report going around is that Daboll had been pushing to bench Hurts and move to a passing attack since November. He saw the writing on the wall with every other playoff contending team bringing a high powered offense and wanted to start getting Bama ready. It was even part of the ass-chewing Daboll got in the Clemson game. Saban wanted to run the ball, Daboll wanted to move to a passing O, and Nick got pissed. Luckily for all of them, Saban finally caved at half-time of the National Championship and turned the reins over to Daboll, and the rest is history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Most of his success or failure is going to depend on what the Bills do at QB. In a way I feel bad for these OCs that favor the running game. People bring them in when they have crappy QBs and then blame them when the passing game flounders. Heck, Roman had the #1 running game in the NFL and still got canned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, vincec said: Most of his success or failure is going to depend on what the Bills do at QB. In a way I feel bad for these OCs that favor the running game. People bring them in when they have crappy QBs and then blame them when the passing game flounders. Heck, Roman had the #1 running game in the NFL and still got canned. Roman was not without his issues. Even in San Francisco he wore out his welcome. The passing attack is just too basic - it results in a lot of sacks and is designed for scramblers. A lot of verticals, hitches, out routes. Safe stuff that doesn't result in picks. If the reads aren't there you are supposed to just take off running and avoid turnovers. My big problem with him was the lack of a 2 minute offense. That and it taking like 30 seconds to get a play call in so there was never any pre-snap motion, hard counts, and we'd get penalties. Edited January 17, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: What does that mean though? What is the difference between 25th in 2016 and 46th in 2017? Truly asking as merely listing the rankings dont tell any of the story. Did other teams also get better in the red zone while Bama stayed the same, which effectively pushed them down? Also... From down here in the heart of SEC country, the report going around is that Daboll had been pushing to bench Hurts and move to a passing attack since November. He saw the writing on the wall with every other playoff contending team bringing a high powered offense and wanted to start getting Bama ready. It was even part of the ass-chewing Daboll got in the Clemson game. Saban wanted to run the ball, Daboll wanted to move to a passing O, and Nick got pissed. Luckily for all of them, Saban finally caved at half-time of the National Championship and turned the reins over to Daboll, and the rest is history. 3% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, dneveu said: Roman was not without his issues. Even in San Francisco he wore out his welcome. The passing attack is just too basic - it results in a lot of sacks and is designed for scramblers. A lot of verticals, hitches, out routes. Safe stuff that doesn't result in picks. If the reads aren't there you are supposed to just take off running and avoid turnovers. My big problem with him was the lack of a 2 minute offense. That and it taking like 30 seconds to get a play call in so there was never any pre-snap motion, hard counts, and we'd get penalties. not defending him , but when you have 2 RB's playing QB..... how much more can one expect from a passing attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 3% Ha, well there you go. So, what? They scored 2 less times basically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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