How many QB’s go in the first round

[Dkollidas]

I would put the over/under at 4 or 4.5, and I’d take the over, especially if Darnold comes out.

 

Rosen

Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen

Rudolph

 

I think at least the first 5 will go in the top 32 for sure. With Rudolph it just depends how many go ahead of him and who comes out for the draft. 

[Turk71]

Looks like the Bills will have a shot at a good qb. Hope they don't have to trade up to get him.

[1billsfan]

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Looks like the Bills will have a shot at a good qb. Hope they don't have to trade up to get him.

 

I think that the Bills will unfortunately probably have to part ways with that second 1st round pick to get the QB that they're targeting. Looking at the current draft order it looks like Tampa Bay would be the spot to try to get to at #8 (which would be ahead of teams needing QBs like the Jets, Cardinals and Redskins). The price to go very high, like a top 5 pick, would I'm sure be too rich for them. I don't see them waiting to see if their QB falls to them.

 

 

[Last Guy on the Bench]

6 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I would put the over/under at 4 or 4.5, and I’d take the over, especially if Darnold comes out.

 

Rosen

Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen

Rudolph

 

I think at least the first 5 will go in the top 32 for sure. With Rudolph it just depends how many go ahead of him and who comes out for the draft. 

 

I'd take the over too. I know some of the sheen has come off of this class, but I still really like it. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up almost comparable to 1983 with 5 or 6 QBs taken in Round 1 and maybe 3 of them turning into franchise players, if not HOFers. If I had to guess, I'd say Allen doesn't actually get taken in R1, but gets snapped up in R2. I think the other five you list have a good chance of going in R1 or at least early R2. I would be pretty happy with any of them except for Allen.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Last Guy on the Bench

[jr1]

5 or more

[Acantha]

6 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Looks like the Bills will have a shot at a good qb. Hope they don't have to trade up to get him.

The Bills need to pick their guy and give up whatever it takes to get him. 

[Woodman19]

1 hour ago, Last Guy on the Bench said:

 

I'd take the over too. I know some of the sheen has come off of this class, but I still really like it. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up almost comparable to 1983 with 5 or 6 QBs taken in Round 1 and maybe 3 of them turning into franchise players, if not HOFers. If I had to guess, I'd say Allen doesn't actually get taken in R1, but gets snapped up in R2. I think the other five you list have a good chance of going in R1 or at least early R2. I would be pretty happy with any of them except for Allen.

And just like 83, we have what could be a pair of first rounders in early teens.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I think that exact list from the OP goes in the 1st, but probably in this order: Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Jackson, Rudolph. 

 

I think Wentz's success coming from North Dakota State only helps Allen's stock and teams will not judge him based on his play, but his potential (which scares me a bit). 
 

[Dr. Who]

9 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I would put the over/under at 4 or 4.5, and I’d take the over, especially if Darnold comes out.

 

Rosen

Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen

Rudolph

 

I think at least the first 5 will go in the top 32 for sure. With Rudolph it just depends how many go ahead of him and who comes out for the draft. 

I agree with your surmise and also the ranking of the qbs so you must be right

16 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I think that exact list from the OP goes in the 1st, but probably in this order: Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Jackson, Rudolph. 

 

I think Wentz's success coming from North Dakota State only helps Allen's stock and teams will not judge him based on his play, but his potential (which scares me a bit). 
 

If measurables outrank performance, Allen could go third.  I am ambivalent about him, but I definitely would rather take a risk his accuracy improves over taking Rudolph, so I half expect Rudolph is the fella we end up with.  As is, I am guessing Rosen and Darnold (if he comes out) are gone before we pick.  I just don't see the Browns and Giants trading out.

Edited December 7, 2017 by Dr. Who

[JohnBonhamRocks]

25 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

If measurables outrank performance, Allen could go third.  I am ambivalent about him, but I definitely would rather take a risk his accuracy improves over taking Rudolph, so I half expect Rudolph is the fella we end up with.  As is, I am guessing Rosen and Darnold (if he comes out) are gone before we pick.  I just don't see the Browns and Giants trading out.

 

I disagree in that I'd rather not place my bet on a QB's accuracy improving. 

 

I honestly have not scouted the QBs all that much - what do you see as the negatives for Rudolph?

 

I'm not sure we need the Browns or Giants to trade out. If we can find a way to trade up to SF's #3 overall pick (for which we do have the draft capital), then we are guaranteed one of Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. 

[1billsfan]

2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I disagree in that I'd rather not place my bet on a QB's accuracy improving. 

 

I honestly have not scouted the QBs all that much - what do you see as the negatives for Rudolph?

 

I'm not sure we need the Browns or Giants to trade out. If we can find a way to trade up to SF's #3 overall pick (for which we do have the draft capital), then we are guaranteed one of Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. 

 

IMO that just isn't going to happen in this draft because it's a "QB draft" and the asking price to go from #3 to #19 (with even a 2nd first round pick) would basically be for the Bills to give up their their whole draft.

 

It's more realistic to think the Bills would try to sneak into a position ahead of the Jets and still have some decent picks left over to build around a QB like Mayfield, Rudolph or Allen.

 

 

[Augie]

If Darnold is in and the o/u is 4.5 I’ll take the over. But I really don’t care as long as we get ours!   

[Dr. Who]

50 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

 

I disagree in that I'd rather not place my bet on a QB's accuracy improving. 

 

I honestly have not scouted the QBs all that much - what do you see as the negatives for Rudolph?

 

I'm not sure we need the Browns or Giants to trade out. If we can find a way to trade up to SF's #3 overall pick (for which we do have the draft capital), then we are guaranteed one of Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield. 

Yes, I stated I was ambivalent.  I mainly  prefer Allen to Rudolph.  I would like the other qbs listed better than both.

Rudolph is big, but his arm is just average.  His decision making is not strong, imo.  He benefits from a conference that generally does not play good defense and a wr corps with a number of future pros.

[Dkollidas]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yes, I stated I was ambivalent.  I mainly  prefer Allen to Rudolph.  I would like the other qbs listed better than both.

Rudolph is big, but his arm is just average.  His decision making is not strong, imo.  He benefits from a conference that generally does not play good defense and a wr corps with a number of future pros.

 

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

I believe they’ll try to go after Darnold if he comes out, he seems like a McDermott kind of guy (would “gritty” be the right word?)

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

 

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

I believe they’ll try to go after Darnold if he comes out, he seems like a McDermott kind of guy (would “gritty” be the right word?)

 

I think the only way to get Darnold would be an unlikely Eli-type draft scenario. He refuses the Browns so we finagle a way to get them their second choice for a price.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Whatever it takes to get up to #3, if that means Mayfield is there, I think at this point it would be difficult to argue against. I'd trade all our draft picks this year for a franchise QB, and doubt it would take that many. 

[Dkollidas]

29 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think the only way to get Darnold would be an unlikely Eli-type draft scenario. He refuses the Browns so we finagle a way to get them their second choice for a price.  

 

I have a feeling Cleveland will go for Rosen. Just a hunch. He seems more ready to start immediately, and will battle Kizer for the job. And who knows, if they fired the GM and Hue Jackson likes McCarron enough, maybe they go for him, Draft Barkley #1 and wait till their pick from the Texans if they like a guy like Mayfield.  Could definitely see them going the “Dallas/Jacksonville” route, or even trading down with a team like the Bills, and they’d have potentially 3 1st’s and 3 2nd’s this year. That’s 6 guys to inject into a really really bad lineup immediately. They might believe that they need that much more talent before they can take a QB. Remember, this is the Browns. 

[Acantha]

2 hours ago, 1billsfan said:

 

IMO that just isn't going to happen in this draft because it's a "QB draft" and the asking price to go from #3 to #19 (with even a 2nd first round pick) would basically be for the Bills to give up their their whole draft.

 

Two firsts this year, a first next year, and maybe a mid rounder somewhere.  If the Bills have a QB graded out to be a solid 15 year starter, they can give up every pick for all I care. I'll go to bed happy that night and not worry about the draft for the rest of the weekend...like the fans of most of the perennially good teams in the league.

[GunnerBill]

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[Turk71]

5 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

 

I have a feeling Cleveland will go for Rosen. Just a hunch. He seems more ready to start immediately, and will battle Kizer for the job. And who knows, if they fired the GM and Hue Jackson likes McCarron enough, maybe they go for him, Draft Barkley #1 and wait till their pick from the Texans if they like a guy like Mayfield.  Could definitely see them going the “Dallas/Jacksonville” route, or even trading down with a team like the Bills, and they’d have potentially 3 1st’s and 3 2nd’s this year. That’s 6 guys to inject into a really really bad lineup immediately. They might believe that they need that much more talent before they can take a QB. Remember, this is the Browns. 

Do you think the Bills are a qb away or do they need a lot more talent as well? The o line, d line, lb, wr etc all need infusion of talent for next year. Who is the guaranteed star qb to bet this draft on?  

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, jr1 said:

5 or more

I think you'll see a qb flurry early which will force teams to panic a little and pick a 1st round qb who might've been ranked lower. Over!

Could be 6-7.

[Dkollidas]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

Do you think the Bills are a qb away or do they need a lot more talent as well? The o line, d line, lb, wr etc all need infusion of talent for next year. Who is the guaranteed star qb to bet this draft on?  

 

They need more than a QB. But I’d rather go and get the QB now. The other pieces can be had in the next couple years. If you get a guy like Darnold, he’s what, 21? You have that long to build around him. And there already are some nice pieces here (White could be a #1, Dawkins a true LT, Zay Jones a solid #2-3 slot receiver, Benjamin a good, not great WR 1, Milano seems to look like a solid starter). 

 

But come on. Trade even all 3 1st’s is the next two years to move up. You still have 2 2nd’s & a 3rd this year alone. You might even be able to move Tyrod and get a decent pick (3rd rounder? Maybe even a 2nd from a team like Jacksonville if they’re dumb enough?) and you’ll have money in another year once you pull out from the dead weight of the Dareus, Tyrod, Glenn, etc contracts.

[Mark Vader]

On 12/7/2017 at 9:48 AM, Augie said:

If Darnold is in and the o/u is 4.5 I’ll take the over. But I really don’t care as long as we get ours!   

Do you have a preference as to who "ours" could be?

[Augie]

37 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Do you have a preference as to who "ours" could be?

First, I don’t claim to be an expert, but here’s the problem....the guys I’d want most won’t be around without some blockbuster trade. I’d want Darnold, then Rosen, then it gets messy. Allen lacked accuracy when I saw him and the stats seem to bear that out. Mayfield is short and has his questions, but a lot of people who do this for a living swear he’s got what it takes. I enjoyed watching Rudolph, but it’s hard to tell what he really is in that system against those defenses. And on and on...

 

If we can get one of the top two guys I think our odds go way up... How’s THAT for stating the obvious?   Maybe others have more confidence or stronger opinions with some of the other guys. I’ll just have to wait and see and hope for the best. Again. 

[Billsfansinceday1]

On 12/7/2017 at 8:43 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

I think you'll see a qb flurry early which will force teams to panic a little and pick a 1st round qb who might've been ranked lower. Over!

Could be 6-7.

You could b right but more often than not we see a couple of QBs go early while others slide unexpectedly.  I am betting that it will be @ 4 in the 1st round and the Bills will get one of them, using their trading power.  I hope they know exactly who they want and then go out and get him.

[OldTimer1960]

I'm feeling a bit down and this post will reflect that...

i think that the Bills will mess around and beat the Colts and Miami at least once, while I think KC will also manage to get to 8-8. - hopefully out of the playoffs.  

 

With two picks in the late teens, early 20s in round one and a mid and late 2nd, I just can't see how the Bills will be able to move up high enough to get Rosen, Darnold, Jackson or Mayfield - unless Mayfield measures very small.  Beyond thos guys, the remaining options probably leave them better off picking other positions and trying to move to the top of the 2nd to take a chance on someone like Josh Allen or settling for Mason Rudolph.  

 

Allen and Rudolph don't look like great prospects to me.  With Allen you have to talk yourself into believing that his accuracy can improve in the NFL and that his inability to dominate a low level of college competition is all because of his supporting cast.  With Rudolph, you somehow have to ignore that his arm strength is middling and his accuracy isn't special - even though he throws a lot of short passes.

[westerndecline]

Rudolph is going in the first bro....

 

Top 20 pick

 

Riley Ferguson will rise too

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, westerndecline said:

Rudolph is going in the first bro....

 

Top 20 pick

 

Riley Ferguson will rise too

I am not arguing that Rudolph won’t go in the first, just that he seems to be a consolation prize rather than a great prospect.

[westerndecline]

7 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I am not arguing that Rudolph won’t go in the first, just that he seems to be a consolation prize rather than a great prospect.

What's your thoughts on Ferguson?

[OldTimer1960]

I haven’t seen enough to have an opinion on him, but it strikes me that folks are looking too deep because the Bills’ are SO desperate to find a real NFL starting QB.  This might be an exceptional class, but it is TRULY rare to find even 3 good QB prospects in a single draft, I can’t believe that ther are 5 or more in this class, no matter how much we want that to be the case.

 

They really MUST get a QB, but they are going to be out of range for a great prospect - they are gonna have to settle on someone who has some redeeming qualities and some flaws and hope that works out.

[MAJBobby]

On 12/7/2017 at 1:34 AM, Dkollidas said:

I would put the over/under at 4 or 4.5, and I’d take the over, especially if Darnold comes out.

 

Rosen

Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen

Rudolph

 

I think at least the first 5 will go in the top 32 for sure. With Rudolph it just depends how many go ahead of him and who comes out for the draft. 

 

Takeing the over

 

Darnold

Rosen

Allen

Jackson

Mayfield

Rudolph

 

will go IMO

 

Falk has a chance to sneak in late 1st

[Victory Formation]

I think at least 4 in the first round and at least another 2 at the top of the second round. I think Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson slide into the 33-40 range. Rosen and Darnold top 5 and Rudolph and Allen 10-20s.

 

This is the year to take a QB, everyone here knows I like Josh Allen but the more and more I get to watch Mason Rudolph, the more I want him. He is a legitimate first round prospect, I think Rudolph could be a franchise QB. I wouldn't mind Allen either but I think if both are on the board, I take Rudolph. I'd rate the board like this:

 

1.) Josh Rosen

2.) Sam Darnold

3.) Mason Rudolph

4.) Josh Allen

5.) Baker Mayfield

6.) Lamar Jackson

 

I'm going to see if I can find some more full games to watch on YouTube. It's still really early, my board may change from now up to the draft but once again Mason Rudolph has rocketed up my board. This is the year to draft a QB. I'd gamble on any of my top 4, it would be wise to trade up.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Is Jackson even coming out, haven't heard anything on it?

 

 

[The Now Moment]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Is Jackson even coming out, haven't heard anything on it?

 

 

In such a crowded class...I'm also wondering who is inclined to stay in school

[OldTimer1960]

Too many for them all to be good, yet not enough for Bills to find a good prospect.