The Biggest Blunder of the Pegula Era

[Luka]

So far, to me, it has been not retaining Schwartz as the head coach when Marrone tucked tail and scurried back to whatever hole he crawled out of. The Ryan regime was a disaster and has really brought us to the point we're at today.

[Elite Poster]

Not getting McVay and settling for McClueless.

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

Between the Sabres and the Bills, Pegulaville is quickly becoming loserville.  I love the Pegula's but as far as success on the field and the ice, they have been complete failures.  I would love to say it's just bad luck but the guy got enamored with Lafontaine over dinner and handed him the keys to the kingdom.  

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Agree. 100 agree. Then did it again with Whaley who wanted Lynn to be HC. Whaley did horrible at draft but not selecting his coach screwed everything up. Pegula loved Ryan and McDermott.

Just now, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Between the Sabres and the Bills, Pegulaville is quickly becoming loserville.  I love the Pegula's but as far as success on the field and the ice, they have been complete failures.  I would love to say it's just bad luck but the guy got enamored with Lafontaine over dinner and handed him the keys to the kingdom.  

 

All this makes me kind of wished Bill Poilian when we had a chance when they wanted him.

[T-Bomb]

I tried to start a thread on this earlier today but the mod's decided there wasn't enough kool aid drinking so they locked it.

 

Pegula sucks as an owner.  The teams were "saved" but will be perpetual losers.

 

There probably won't be internet forums 30 years from now, but whatever medium we'll be using to discuss the Bills, the conversations will be the same when his son inherits the teams.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, Luka said:

So far, to me, it has been not retaining Schwartz as the head coach when Marrone tucked tail and scurried back to whatever hole he crawled out of. The Ryan regime was a disaster and has really brought us to the point we're at today.

 

I am not persuaded that Schwartz would have made a great HC.  Consider please that other teams seeking HC are likewise underimpressed by him.

 

The scuttlebutt, though, was that Whaley wanted Hue Jackson and Hue was already pitching to Schwartz the benefits of staying on as DC to increase his future HC charisma.

I think that could have worked.

 

Rumor had it Whaley wanted someone other than McD as HC this time.  I don't remember who, anyone else?

[corta765]

Agreed in the extent Schwartz needed to stay just not sure the capacity He still is a DC so wasn't like you couldn't have brought in a HC who wouldve kept him and the scheme. I think in 2014 Whaley won the power battle otherwise Marrone stays with Schwartz and Polian is GM. That really defined the direction to where we are now. Then the owner got excited because the defense was good and rushed to get a guy like Rex who had hype and considerable success on D in the past.

 

What has me so down is both teams are so downtrodden and laughable. I can't remember a time in my life where neither team offered much hope on the horizon and seasons felt so over so early on.

[Luka]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I am not persuaded that Schwartz would have made a great HC.  Consider please that other teams seeking HC are likewise underimpressed by him.

 

The scuttlebutt, though, was that Whaley wanted Hue Jackson and Hue was already pitching to Schwartz the benefits of staying on as DC to increase his future HC charisma.

I think that could have worked.

 

Rumor had it Whaley wanted someone other than McD as HC this time.  I don't remember who, anyone else?

 

I remember him wanting Hue and I don't think that would've been a terrible combo. I think Pegula wanted Beane all along and McDermott was obviously going to be his guy, judging from all the other Panthers here now. They just did it backwards because of the draft.

[KDIGGZ]

Pegulas are too close to the teams. They need to back off and hire professionals. God bless them but they are clueless. And why wouldn't they be? He made billions drilling holes. Nobody expects him to know about how to run a pro sports franchise

[Rico]

Pegs biggest blunder by far was not cleaning house after the 2014 season. Set everything back 2 years.

[SaviorPeterman]

23 minutes ago, Luka said:

So far, to me, it has been not retaining Schwartz as the head coach when Marrone tucked tail and scurried back to whatever hole he crawled out of. The Ryan regime was a disaster and has really brought us to the point we're at today.

 

Forget Schwartz, it was not keeping St. Doug who I always felt was going to be the next Bill Parcells type of coach and he's well on his way to turning around another pathetic NFL franchise in his first season as HC in Jax.

 

Biggest problem with the Pegulas is they seem to be easily manipulated by the used car salesman types, whether Russ Brandon (who miraculously not only kept his gig with the Bills but had it expanded to the Sabres as well), Rex Ryan and now McD/Beane.

[BillsFan130]

21 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

Not getting McVay and settling for McClueless.

Do you think McVay would have came to Buffalo though?

 

I'm guessing L.A was an attractive job for him because of having the first pick off the board in Goff to work with

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Pegulas are too close to the teams. They need to back off and hire professionals. God bless them but they are clueless. And why wouldn't they be? He made billions drilling holes. Nobody expects him to know about how to run a pro sports franchise

 

...in what sense and how the hell do you know that?.....look at the money he poured into the FO and administration......yup, he's too close....yet another meddling clone just like Jones & Snyder.......good Lord the fickle get fickler.........

[Mrbojanglezs]

Good DC. Bad HC

[vorpma]

27 minutes ago, Luka said:

So far, to me, it has been not retaining Schwartz as the head coach when Marrone tucked tail and scurried back to whatever hole he crawled out of. The Ryan regime was a disaster and has really brought us to the point we're at today.

great point, we let the DC of a top five Defense walk and replaced it with Rex Ball! 

[Luka]

2 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

Forget Schwartz, it was not keeping St. Doug who I always felt was going to be the next Bill Parcells type of coach and he's well on his way to turning around another pathetic NFL franchise in his first season as HC in Jax.

 

Biggest problem with the Pegulas is they seem to be easily manipulated by the used car salesman types, whether Russ Brandon (who miraculously not only kept his gig with the Bills but had it expanded to the Sabres as well), Rex Ryan and now McD/Beane.

 

Schwartz took a middle of the road team with a good QB to the playoffs after being 1-15 a couple years prior. More than that, you could've at least retained what made the team good. Guys knew him, they liked playing for him. In that moment we were much closer to being successful than we are now.

[SaviorPeterman]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...in what sense and how the hell do you know that?.....look at the money he poured into the FO and administration......yup, he's too close....yet another meddling clone just like Jones & Snyder.......good Lord the fickle get fickler.........

 

Pegula's hand picked Rex Ryan and McD. And let both of them do whatever they please including Rex bringing in his worthless brother to run the defense and McD dumping Whaley for his buddy in Carolina.

 

Let's not forget about Rex staying the night down at the Pegula's house in Florida to 'seal the deal' so to speak.

 

And just recently you can find a picture of Pegula and McD walking hand in hand boarding the team plane the other day for San Diego.

 

Whether or not Pegulas are meddlesome they certainly have no clue what they doing and should have hired a true professional to make the these decisions with the Bills and Sabres instead of the likes of Russ Brandon, who by the way is still pulling the strings behind the scenes because he's another Pegula favorite apparently.

[vorpma]

This board is about as crazy as its ever been; try to grasp that the Buffalo Bills Organization, over a 17/17 year period developed a lousy organization with a losing culture, now we demand the playoffs in McBeane's first year. Anyone who thought this team was even close to a playoff contender is seriously misguided, even with Dareus, Watkins and the rest of the mediocre over rated guys that we have discarded. Sorry, this is a process - check out previous rebuild jobs!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

Pegs biggest blunder by far was not cleaning house after the 2014 season. Set everything back 2 years.

 

There's some truth to that.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

Pegula's hand picked Rex Ryan and McD. And let both of them do whatever they please including Rex bringing in his worthless brother to run the defense and McD dumping Whaley for his buddy in Carolina.

 

Let's not forget about Rex staying the night down at the Pegula's house in Florida to 'seal the deal' so to speak.

 

And just recently you can find a picture of Pegula and McD walking hand in hand boarding the team plane the other day for San Diego.

 

Whether or not Pegulas are meddlesome they certainly have no clue what they doing and should have hired a true professional to make the these decisions with the Bills and Sabres instead of the likes of Russ Brandon, who by the way is still pulling the strings behind the scenes because he's another Pegula favorite apparently.

 

Exactly correct. 

[SaviorPeterman]

2 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

Schwartz took a middle of the road team with a good QB to the playoffs after being 1-15 a couple years prior. More than that, you could've at least retained what made the team good. Guys knew him, they liked playing for him. In that moment we were much closer to being successful than we are now.

 

My point is we if we keep St. Doug, obviously Schwartz stays as his DC too unless he would have got another HC offer.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, vorpma said:

This board is about as crazy as its ever been; try to grasp that the Buffalo Bills Organization, over a 17/17 year period developed a lousy organization with a losing culture, now we demand the playoffs in McBeane's first year. Anyone who thought this team was even close to a playoff contender is seriously misguided, even with Dareus, Watkins and the rest of the mediocre over rated guys that we have discarded. Sorry, this is a process - check out previous rebuild jobs!

 

vorpma, I think you're missing a few things here.  I don't think it's "demand playoffs" in McWrestler's first year that's the main concern here.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, SaviorPeterman said:

 

Pegula's hand picked Rex Ryan and McD. And let both of them do whatever they please including Rex bringing in his worthless brother to run the defense and McD dumping Whaley for his buddy in Carolina.

 

Let's not forget about Rex staying the night down at the Pegula's house in Florida to 'seal the deal' so to speak.

 

And just recently you can find a picture of Pegula and McD walking hand in hand boarding the team plane the other day for San Diego.

 

Whether or not Pegulas are meddlesome they certainly have no clue what they doing and should have hired a true professional to make the these decisions with the Bills and Sabres instead of the likes of Russ Brandon, who by the way is still pulling the strings behind the scenes because he's another Pegula favorite apparently.

 

...tell you right now he did NOT hand pick Wrecks.....that was Brandon's doing.....I saw his texts to friends of his and mine that said, "so what do you think?"......he was pretty proud of orchestrating it and I threw up in my car seat...........

[Real McClappy]

10 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

My point is we if we keep St. Doug, obviously Schwartz stays as his DC too unless he would have got another HC offer.

Marrone turned his back on the Bills and walked out on his contract.

 

The Biggest Mistake is not hiring a GM and letting the GM hire his HC.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Real McCoy

[Luka]

Just now, SaviorPeterman said:

 

My point is we if we keep St. Doug, obviously Schwartz stays as his DC too unless he would have got another HC offer.

 

But we weren't going to keep him, he took that payday and quit. So I'm just wishing they made the best of a bad situation. Because once Rex was here he basically blew up the team. Switched defenses which was never going to work considering the personnel. Basically what this regime is doing now, but Rex was trying hard to keep people from the prior regime where as McDermott and Beane don't care.

[KDIGGZ]

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...in what sense and how the hell do you know that?.....look at the money he poured into the FO and administration......yup, he's too close....yet another meddling clone just like Jones & Snyder.......good Lord the fickle get fickler.........

Oh boy. You must not follow this team

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There's some truth to that.

They should’ve been going through all this in 2015, not now.

[Heavy Kevi]

Schwartz would have been great, but Marrone reportedly would have stayed if they gave him a guarantee. If that's true, then not paying Marrone and giving him assurances was their biggest mistake in my opinion.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Shotgunner said:

Schwartz would have been great, but Marrone reportedly would have stayed if they gave him a guarantee. If that's true, then not paying Marrone and giving him assurances was their biggest mistake in my opinion.

 

I was not for Marrone cause of offense but looks like right now be right choice. With way Jags are performing. But I love to be wrong and those to be successful. 

[Fadingpain]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

They should’ve been going through all this in 2015, not now.

Yep.  Pegula kept the old regimes from pre-Pegula-ownership with both the Sabres and Bills.

 

I believe that stems from him not really closely following either team.  Had he been a higher information fan, he would have cleaned house immediately with both organizations.

 

Waiting for those losers to prove to him that they were losers during his ownership set both rebuilds back several years.

 

 

[Best Player Available]

Although I'm sure the Pegulas put a lot of thought into their franchise(s) hires. It seems like they are easily impressed. And not always with the correct people to run their teams. Their decisions seem to be quick, and face facts they know nothing about the player side of putting teams together. They trust others. And that so far has been a huge negative.

 

after the Ryan disaster. they are persuaded too go with a more disciplined approach. so in comes a HC hire who has so much power he on his own decides his GM. And both are rookies with zero track record too boot.

Sorry, here comes the Brandon reference. He is president of both teams. He sucks and one of 2 high ranking people left on the Bills. Leftover from the Wilson era. He sucks and has way too much influence in the hires, and whatever else. Even though the Pegulas will say he is simply on the business side. Don't buy it at all. 

 

They talked to Coughlin and I believe he may have rejected a job offer as czar. Similar too what he does in Jacksonville with another clueless NFL owner. They need a footbal guy in here where both McD and Beane, and assistants all report too. It is not happening.

 

As for the Sabres. What a tank job, they still suck as bad as before the tank. . I was at their first home V this season the 1-0 snooze fest. They suck, will not make the playoffs and what has changed nesides some FO names? Maybe hope that some kids can work their way up and become serviceable in a couple of years.

 

The Pegulas for all the good they have done for the city of Buffalo. Are not the type of ownership whose franchises provide hope or will dominate in the near future. They should stay out of the sports side and hopefully they are not the types who said pull Tyrod and put the rookie in. If they did the Bills, are doomed. Just uber wealthy fans with big toys. 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

Forget Schwartz, it was not keeping St. Doug who I always felt was going to be the next Bill Parcells type of coach and he's well on his way to turning around another pathetic NFL franchise in his first season as HC in Jax.

 

Biggest problem with the Pegulas is they seem to be easily manipulated by the used car salesman types, whether Russ Brandon (who miraculously not only kept his gig with the Bills but had it expanded to the Sabres as well), Rex Ryan and now McD/Beane.

 

I'm not sure the St Doug we might have kept, would be the same coach who is having success in Jax.

 

The scuttlebut was St Doug went to the Pegs and demanded contract extensions for himself and his assistants and a higher degree of roster control, and Pegs said "No".

 

Doug had a bit of humbling in his descent to offensive assistant for Jax, and he is far from having roster control down in Jax.  He's working within his sphere of competence and so far, so good. 

 

But that may not have been the case, had he stayed here. 

[Heavy Kevi]

Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

I was not for Marrone cause of offense but looks like right now be right choice. With way Jags are performing. But I love to be wrong and those to be successful. 

 

I wasn't particularly broken hearted when Marrone left, he has the best season record of any coach we have had in awhile. You really can't argue with results, besides yes of course Schwartz had the D showing out.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Best Player Available said:

Although I'm sure the Pegulas put a lot of thought into their franchise(s) hires. It seems like they are easily impressed. And not always with the correct people to run their teams. Their decisions seem to be quick, and face facts they know nothing about the player side of putting teams together. They trust others. And that so far has been a huge negative.

 

after the Ryan disaster. they are persuaded too go with a more disciplined approach. so in comes a HC hire who has so much power he on his own decides his GM. And both are rookies with zero track record too boot.

Sorry, here comes the Brandon reference. He is president of both teams. He sucks and one of 2 high ranking people left on the Bills. Leftover from the Wilson era. He sucks and has way too much influence in the hires, and whatever else. Even though the Pegulas will say he is simply on the business side. Don't buy it at all. 

 

They talked to Coughlin and I believe he may have rejected a job offer as czar. Similar too what he does in Jacksonville with another clueless NFL owner. They need a footbal guy in here where both McD and Beane, and assistants all report too. It is not happening.

 

As for the Sabres. What a tank job, they still suck as bad as before the tank. . I was at their first home V this season the 1-0 snooze fest. They suck, will not make the playoffs and what has changed nesides some FO names? Maybe hope that some kids can work their way up and become serviceable in a couple of years.

 

The Pegulas for all the good they have done for the city of Buffalo. Are not the type of ownership whose franchises provide hope or will dominate in the near future. They should stay out of the sports side and hopefully they are not the types who said pull Tyrod and put the rookie in. If they did the Bills, are doomed. Just uber wealthy fans with big toys. 

 

 

We need one more then ever.  A football czar. How I feel.

 

 

[Elite Poster]

19 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Do you think McVay would have came to Buffalo though?

 

I'm guessing L.A was an attractive job for him because of having the first pick off the board in Goff to work with

 

He picked up both Bills WR and would've had LeSean and Tyrod. This team was weapon heaven. 

[dave mcbride]

Re: Schwartz: the Eagles D is pretty dominating this year. First in the league against the run in both yardage and ypa. 

[Reed83HOF]

26 minutes ago, Rico said:

Pegs biggest blunder by far was not cleaning house after the 2014 season. Set everything back 2 years.

 

Truth

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Oh boy. You must not follow this team

 

....SINCE 1962 sonny....now what?.......

[BADOLBILZ]

50 minutes ago, Luka said:

So far, to me, it has been not retaining Schwartz as the head coach when Marrone tucked tail and scurried back to whatever hole he crawled out of. The Ryan regime was a disaster and has really brought us to the point we're at today.

 

 

Meh.

 

Weak take.

 

Should have kept Marrone or let Whaley choose his guy.

 

Schwartz was a proven failure in Detroit and would have likely just delegated his defense so some turd and been a rollercoaster of a HC again.

 

Hired washed up Cunther Gunningham to be his DC in Detroit.  Good Lawd'.

[Klaista2k]

Hiring McDermott and Beane.

 

These guys have completely ruined our team and now we have countless holes to fill.