Draft prospects- defensive front 7. Who do you like?

[NewEra]

We need 2 DTs and new SLB and MLB.  It was embarrassing how easy it was for the jets and saints to just run the same play over and over and over and over and I could go on, and on.  Just pathetic.  8, 10, 12,18 yards gains almost every run.  They won’t allow this to happen.  In Carolina they spend a lot of draft resources on the front 7 and I expect these guys to do the same.  

 

 

who do you guys like?  Bust out your current personal power rankings in the front 7 positions we’ll be looking to address.  I’d like to watch them the rest of the season and bowl games.  Bandit, bloke, gunner and the rest of you forces of nature, let’s discuss some possible replacements in the draft or even free agency.  

 

Ps- I feel bad for Kyle Williams watching him out there.  He was a small part of the problem today but his effort put forth was equal to several of the other front 7 guys combined.  He doesn’t deserve to take a beatdown like that

[sjjr]

DT- Vita Vea (Washington)

      Lowell Lotulelei (Utah)

      BJ Hill (NC State)

      Trenton Thompson (Georgia)

 

DE- Bradley Chubb (NC State)

       Harold Landry (BC)

       Dorance Armstrong (Kansas)

       Duke Ejiofor (Wake Forest)

       Marcell Frazier (Mizzou)

 

LB- Josey Jewell (Iowa)

       Skai Moore (South Carolina)

       Tegray Scales (Indiana)

       Fred Warner (BYU)

[GunnerBill]

I love Roquan Smith from Georgia as a potential fit in this scheme.  I think he is a junior.... not sure if he will come out.  

[Victory Formation]

It's pointless to worry about any other position until we have a franchise QB on the roster.

[offyourocker]

How dare you say that?  Don't you know Tyrod does not turn the ball over.

[Billzgobowlin]

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB.   They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better.  Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

[13player]

3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

It's pointless to worry about any other position until we have a franchise QB on the roster.

 

you need to fix the line next year, Ritchie is 100 years old, Mills stinks at RT, Glen is always hurt. Once you deal with that and you can keep a franchise QB from getting killed then go get a QB until then everyone will fail. Just look at Luck  and then look at Wentz, If you keep the passer safe you even have a chance with Petterman because he reads the field fast and releases the ball.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

It's pointless to worry about any other position until we have a franchise QB on the roster.

No.  It’s pointless for YOU to worry about any other position.  Scouting players is fun for some.  

2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB.   They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better.  Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

Who on the DLine will “be ok”?  Kyle? Thornton? Adolphus? Worthy?  Seriousl?  They’ll “be ok”........and they aren’t getting better.  They aren’t currently getting much worse. Other than adolphus, which DTs are under contract next year?

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I love Roquan Smith from Georgia as a potential fit in this scheme.  I think he is a junior.... not sure if he will come out.  

Yeah he looks like a perfect fit for WLB.  Do you think he can play MLB?  adding 10 lbs gets him to 230ish.  Should be big enough.  His 40 time will probably end up deciding which range he’ll be picked.  Could be top 10 if he runs 4.4?

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Yeah he looks like a perfect fit for WLB.  Do you think he can play MLB?  adding 10 lbs gets him to 230ish.  Should be big enough.  His 40 time will probably end up deciding which range he’ll be picked.  Could be top 10 if he runs 4.4?

 

I think he could but he will need to add 10-15 pounds.  The good news in this scheme is that it values speed and movement skills over size.  235ish might be big enough to play MLB in this scheme.  I think he is a first rounder.  Where in the first he goes remains to be determined.  

[The Now Moment]

Harrison Phillips DT Stanford.  6'3" 295.  He's a lot like kyle williams.  Is a senior and has had two productive years including this season's 65 tackle, 10.5 TFL, 5 sack performance that isn't over yet.  He Has 12 sacks in two years.  Really like the kid.  Smart, upstanding character and seems to fit the scheme well.  Just looks like a McDermott pick.

 

Tegray Scales LB Indiana 6'0" 230 lbs.  He is the perfect player for McDermott's scheme.  He has had 4 years of productive play in Indiana.  Isn't a headcase and can lead a defense.  his most productive year saw 125 tackles, 24 TFL, 7 sacks and an INT.  He's showed he is fast and can cover down the field with his 7 career interceptions.  He is a triple threat linebacker who can stuff the run, cover and get after the QB.  Just like Luke Keuchly does in Carolina.  Seems like a match to me.  He's just a little undersized.

 

I like many others but these popped out to me as really realistic options. Later in the draft Josey Jewell and the Washington linebackers are nice fits as well.  Lowell Lotulelei later in the draft for DT.  Defensive end is tough.  I really only like the top few guys.  Arden Key is one of my favorite prospects.  He hasn't had a tremendous year trying to come back from injury but he is a monster when healthy.  He plays with such passion it amps everyone else up.  He and Bradley Chubb have caught my eye.  I think they both have the potential to land high in the top ten so that puts us out of reach for now at least.  Some of the others are very good but just not a complete package to me.  There will be plenty of options though if they decide to go that route.  I personally think DT and LB are bigger needs.  

 

However, it will be interesting to see if they draft a QB.  If that happens in the first round, you can expect a few lineman with some of the high picks in the draft.  So maybe, the front 7 won't be addressed a whole lot through the draft this year.  Who knows what direction they take.  They luckily have enough picks to give help to both sides a little.

6 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB.   They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better.  Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

We do not have DTs.  They will need two new ones.  Washington is not good in the run defense and hasn't shown he can get to the QB.  I'm all for developing young players but if they don't fit the scheme...there's no point.  He had trouble with off the field stuff at the beginning of the year as well.  Kyle Williams is old and has looked it.  His contact is up, he may retire or stay on for nothing in a diminished role.  The rest are backups at best...the DTs and linebackers are needs.  Carolina draft a ton of DTs and LBs in McDermott/Beane's time there.  He is addressing the DT, I guarantee it.  

[Billzgobowlin]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Harrison Phillips DT Stanford.  6'3" 295.  He's a lot like kyle williams.  Is a senior and has had two productive years including this season's 65 tackle, 10.5 TFL, 5 sack performance that isn't over yet.  He Has 12 sacks in two years.  Really like the kid.  Smart, upstanding character and seems to fit the scheme well.  Just looks like a McDermott pick.

 

Tegray Scales LB Indiana 6'0" 230 lbs.  He is the perfect player for McDermott's scheme.  He has had 4 years of productive play in Indiana.  Isn't a headcase and can lead a defense.  his most productive year saw 125 tackles, 24 TFL, 7 sacks and an INT.  He's showed he is fast and can cover down the field with his 7 career interceptions.  He is a triple threat linebacker who can stuff the run, cover and get after the QB.  Just like Luke Keuchly does in Carolina.  Seems like a match to me.  He's just a little undersized.

 

I like many others but these popped out to me as really realistic options. Later in the draft Josey Jewell and the Washington linebackers are nice fits as well.  Lowell Lotulelei later in the draft for DT.  Defensive end is tough.  I really only like the top few guys.  Arden Key is one of my favorite prospects.  He hasn't had a tremendous year trying to come back from injury but he is a monster when healthy.  He plays with such passion it amps everyone else up.  He and Bradley Chubb have caught my eye.  I think they both have the potential to land high in the top ten so that puts us out of reach for now at least.  Some of the others are very good but just not a complete package to me.  There will be plenty of options though if they decide to go that route.  I personally think DT and LB are bigger needs.  

 

However, it will be interesting to see if they draft a QB.  If that happens in the first round, you can expect a few lineman with some of the high picks in the draft.  So maybe, the front 7 won't be addressed a whole lot through the draft this year.  Who knows what direction they take.  They luckily have enough picks to give help to both sides a little.

We do not have DTs.  They will need two new ones.  Washington is not good in the run defense and hasn't shown he can get to the QB.  I'm all for developing young players but if they don't fit the scheme...there's no point.  He had trouble with off the field stuff at the beginning of the year as well.  Kyle Williams is old and has looked it.  His contact is up, he may retire or stay on for nothing in a diminished role.  The rest are backups at best...the DTs and linebackers are needs.  Carolina draft a ton of DTs and LBs in McDermott/Beane's time there.  He is addressing the DT, I guarantee it.  

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

[The Now Moment]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

Don't look at one individual game...The DTs aren't talented and neither are the linebackers besides imo Milano, who needs more playing time.  Some of them don't fit the scheme and some aren't good enough.  If they aren't removed this year they will be next year.  However, with so many draft picks and salary cap, I think they will overhaul both groups.  Most of our starters are free agents anyway

4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

I do agree though, a MLB should be one of the higher priorities

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

Don't look at one individual game...The DTs aren't talented and neither are the linebackers besides imo Milano, who needs more playing time.  Some of them don't fit the scheme and some aren't good enough.  If they aren't removed this year they will be next year.  However, with so many draft picks and salary cap, I think they will overhaul both groups.  Most of our starters are free agents anyway

I do agree though, a MLB should be one of the higher priorities

The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game.  The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game.  The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.  

One game?  Did you happen to watch the jets game?

And we got destroyed up the middle.  Don’t think I can remember a team getting smashed up the middle like that in my life 

[Mat68]

Unless Peterman is a revoulation or Taylor does a 180 I think you go qb and Dt round 1.  Maybe linebaker, depends what happens in FA.  I think they target whichever tackle Carolina lets walk.  Star or Short.

[Elite Poster]

We need OL, DL, CB, RB, and QB.

 

Good luck.

[wppete]

We need a QB!

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

One game?  Did you happen to watch the jets game?

And we got destroyed up the middle.  Don’t think I can remember a team getting smashed up the middle like that in my life 

Ok you win two games.  As bad as they have been they were that good earlier this year against the run against good running teams.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Ok you win two games.  As bad as they have been they were that good earlier this year against the run against good running teams.

Ok, so are you saying that the run defense is fine?  No.  It’s awful.  Not sure what we’re discussing here 

[Billzgobowlin]

Just now, NewEra said:

Ok, so are you saying that the run defense is fine?  No.  It’s awful.  Not sure what we’re discussing here 

No never said anything about the run defense rather the DTs will be fine, not right after the last two games but name a player that shined the last two weeks.  I don't think these two games you can learn about any player right now. 

[The Now Moment]

3 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game.  The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.  

No I had this pegged as need as soon as McDermott walked in the building.  Carolina drafted Lotulelei, Short and last year Butler in the first round, all of them are DTs that were for McDermott's system.  The players we have are either aging or don't really fit the scheme well.  And forget run defense for a second, what about the lack of pass rush from the interior of that line this year?  There's a lot of factors that come into play and the majority point to a new set of DTs.  That's what this regime has a history of.

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

No never said anything about the run defense rather the DTs will be fine, not right after the last two games but name a player that shined the last two weeks.  I don't think these two games you can learn about any player right now. 

You’re ok with these 4 DTs going forward into next season?

[Billzgobowlin]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

You’re ok with these 4 DTs going forward into next season?

I was when they were 5-2, are these guys different.  You can say we lost Dareus but he missed a few games and was rotational for the rest of them.  The DTs are tired and need help.  The embarrassment was the LBs.  Not one shot the gaps and everyone was tackling behind them.  Could the DTs done more sure but they weren't the big issue

28 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

No I had this pegged as need as soon as McDermott walked in the building.  Carolina drafted Lotulelei, Short and last year Butler in the first round, all of them are DTs that were for McDermott's system.  The players we have are either aging or don't really fit the scheme well.  And forget run defense for a second, what about the lack of pass rush from the interior of that line this year?  There's a lot of factors that come into play and the majority point to a new set of DTs.  That's what this regime has a history of.

This defense wasn't about interior pressure, remember this is Frazier's defense not McDerm's.  Why exactly are the DEs not held accountable for pass rush?

[The Now Moment]

2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I was when they were 5-2, are these guys different.  You can say we lost Dareus but he missed a few games and was rotational for the rest of them.  The DTs are tired and need help.  The embarrassment was the LBs.  Not one shot the gaps and everyone was tackling behind them.  Could the DTs done more sure but they weren't the big issue

This defense wasn't about interior pressure, remember this is Frazier's defense not McDerm's.  Why exactly are the DEs not held accountable for pass rush?

Everyone should be able to create pressure along the dline not just the DEs...They have potential talent there still, DT doesn't

[LEBills]

I could see two Lotuleleis on the Bills next year...

[34-78-83]

19 hours ago, NewEra said:

We need 2 DTs and new SLB and MLB.  It was embarrassing how easy it was for the jets and saints to just run the same play over and over and over and over and I could go on, and on.  Just pathetic.  8, 10, 12,18 yards gains almost every run.  They won’t allow this to happen.  In Carolina they spend a lot of draft resources on the front 7 and I expect these guys to do the same.  

 

 

who do you guys like?  Bust out your current personal power rankings in the front 7 positions we’ll be looking to address.  I’d like to watch them the rest of the season and bowl games.  Bandit, bloke, gunner and the rest of you forces of nature, let’s discuss some possible replacements in the draft or even free agency.  

 

Ps- I feel bad for Kyle Williams watching him out there.  He was a small part of the problem today but his effort put forth was equal to several of the other front 7 guys combined.  He doesn’t deserve to take a beatdown like that

Not sure on prospects but definitely agree with your defensive needs and your feelings on KW. He looked old out there which is usually not the case.

[Agent 91]

9 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

I just xant warch Preston another year in the middle. maybe he can play strong side. Unless he is a FA then... thanks for your service. We DEFINITELY need a play caller on both sides of the ball.

1 hour ago, LEBills said:

I could see two Lotuleleis on the Bills next year...

That would be amazing. Star was a big name coming out of college. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Agent 91
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[NewEra]

11 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I was when they were 5-2, are these guys different.  You can say we lost Dareus but he missed a few games and was rotational for the rest of them.  The DTs are tired and need help.  The embarrassment was the LBs.  Not one shot the gaps and everyone was tackling behind them.  Could the DTs done more sure but they weren't the big issue

This defense wasn't about interior pressure, remember this is Frazier's defense not McDerm's.  Why exactly are the DEs not held accountable for pass rush?

Yes, they’re different.  They’re being dominated at the line of scrimmage.  Teams have figured out how to attack them and we are now getting destroyed.  Maybe it’s the scheme?  Maybe, but it’s our scheme and if the guys we have can’t get the job done in the scheme we’re going to run, they need to be replaced.  I’m not saying all of them, but we need At least 2 different bodies in there. 

 

I agree, they aren’t getting any support from the LBs..... 2 of which need to be replaced as well.

[Billzgobowlin]

9 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

Everyone should be able to create pressure along the dline not just the DEs...They have potential talent there still, DT doesn't

I am not quite sure the difference between DT and DE as far as talent....  There are vets, undrafteds and first rounders on both positions.  Neither has been particularly strong but the difference is the DTs are not counted on for putting pressure on the QB in this defense.

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, they’re different.  They’re being dominated at the line of scrimmage.  Teams have figured out how to attack them and we are now getting destroyed.  Maybe it’s the scheme?  Maybe, but it’s our scheme and if the guys we have can’t get the job done in the scheme we’re going to run, they need to be replaced.  I’m not saying all of them, but we need At least 2 different bodies in there. 

 

I agree, they aren’t getting any support from the LBs..... 2 of which need to be replaced as well.

I am curious if McDerm will get tired of watching Frazier's scheme, he has to take some of the blame.  I can understand a couple of players underperforming but as much as they were all gelling as a defense at the beginning of the season they have been not working together at all the past two games, wonder if it has to do with the voice in the defensive room or just they are not good.

[The Now Moment]

3 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I am not quite sure the difference between DT and DE as far as talent....  There are vets, undrafteds and first rounders on both positions.  Neither has been particularly strong but the difference is the DTs are not counted on for putting pressure on the QB in this defense.

Yet in McDermott's Carolina defense, Kawonn Short was drafted and had double digit sacks...I completely disagree with the notion that DTs don't need to create pressure in this scheme or in most schemes for that matter.  The DEs have been by themselves in trying to get to the QB if you watch closely.  Hughes has had pressures, just hasn't gotten there.  The QBs that we've played against have been way too comfortable in the pocket.  The DTs need to provide interior rush to push the QB out of the pocket into the arms of the DEs but they haven't provided even the slightest bit of push all season really.  We have very few sacks as a team.  We also do not have any first rounders at the DT position right now.  Washington was a third and isn't playing well.  Both Shaq and Hughes were former 1st rounders and Shaq is still developing.  One fat run stuffer and a DT that can get penetration is what McDerm had in Carolina in Lotulelei and Short.  They even drafted another first DT in Vernon Butler...3 first round DTs.  I fully expect that trend to continue now that he is here.  

[Billzgobowlin]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Yet in McDermott's Carolina defense, Kawonn Short was drafted and had double digit sacks...I completely disagree with the notion that DTs don't need to create pressure in this scheme or in most schemes for that matter.  The DEs have been by themselves in trying to get to the QB if you watch closely.  Hughes has had pressures, just hasn't gotten there.  The QBs that we've played against have been way too comfortable in the pocket.  The DTs need to provide interior rush to push the QB out of the pocket into the arms of the DEs but they haven't provided even the slightest bit of push all season really.  We have very few sacks as a team.  We also do not have any first rounders at the DT position right now.  Washington was a third and isn't playing well.  Both Shaq and Hughes were former 1st rounders and Shaq is still developing.  One fat run stuffer and a DT that can get penetration is what McDerm had in Carolina in Lotulelei and Short.  They even drafted another first DT in Vernon Butler...3 first round DTs.  I fully expect that trend to continue now that he is here.  

Is this McDerm's defense or Fraziers, it makes a big defense.  

[Alphadawg7]

My pick:  Marcell Dareus...oh wait, we jettisoned him for a 6th round pick and simultaneously plummeted to bottom of NFL in run defense while Jags simultaneously jumped over that span from bottom of the NFL to top 5.  

 

Sure glad we got rid our locked up, young DT so we can go out and waste one of our high value draft picks to TRY and replace him since we have just about no chance of doing so with the measly 6th round pick we got.  

Edited November 14, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[Mrbojanglezs]

Whats the point Beaner will just trade him away for pennies in 3 years

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I am not quite sure the difference between DT and DE as far as talent....  There are vets, undrafteds and first rounders on both positions.  Neither has been particularly strong but the difference is the DTs are not counted on for putting pressure on the QB in this defense.

I am curious if McDerm will get tired of watching Frazier's scheme, he has to take some of the blame.  I can understand a couple of players underperforming but as much as they were all gelling as a defense at the beginning of the season they have been not working together at all the past two games, wonder if it has to do with the voice in the defensive room or just they are not good.

And the talent isn’t there at the DT position. One third rd pick with a questionable motor and 2 cast offs to go with the aging Kyle.  Teams are plowing through us because our guys aren’t good enough to stop them.  Maybe that’s just my crazy opinion, but it seems obvious to me.  Some of those guys played better prior but I wouldn’t count on them being consistent in any fashion.  We need better players up front.

[SoCal Deek]

If this team spends two seconds worrying about anything other than getting a Quarterback then you know all hope is definitely lost.

[NewEraBills]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

My pick:  Marcell Dareus...oh wait, we jettisoned him for a 6th round pick and simultaneously plummeted to bottom of NFL in run defense while Jags simultaneously jumped over that span from bottom of the NFL to top 5.  

 

Sure glad we got rid our locked up, young DT so we can go out and waste one of our high value draft picks to TRY and replace him since we have just about no chance of doing so with the measly 6th round pick we got.  

Yeah but if you look at what they want out of a DT Dareus is not it not just off the field but on it.  Dareus like the others has shown absolutely nothing to affect the QB on the other team and was/is getting paid top money.  If you are getting paid that kind of money you better do more than excel at run defense.  You better be affecting the QB to.

[Solomon Grundy]

20 hours ago, LEBills said:

I could see two Lotuleleis on the Bills next year...

And raise me a Hercules Ma'afata

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, NewEraBills said:

Yeah but if you look at what they want out of a DT Dareus is not it not just off the field but on it.  Dareus like the others has shown absolutely nothing to affect the QB on the other team and was/is getting paid top money.  If you are getting paid that kind of money you better do more than excel at run defense.  You better be affecting the QB to.

 

While I understand where you are coming from, this is a guy who had 28.5 sacks in his first 4 years before Rex ruined the defense.  A DT getting sacks is highly dependent on how he is being used.  And with the a focus on shoring up the porous run defense we saw under Rex, its not surprising if McD was trying to use him to plug holes more.  

 

So we know Dareus is fully capable of pressuring the QB, if thats how the staff intends to use him.  He also was dealing with some injury stuff while here under the new staff too.  Which is why I would have rather us kept him to see if McD and the staff can find the best way to use him effectively and get on the same page.

 

Had we gotten back a 2nd, I would be much more OK with this.  My disdain is rooted in the fact we essentially gave him away to save a little one extra year on the cap.  People focus on the cap savings and champion it while completely over looking the COST to trade Dareus.  The cost to trade him is going to likely be a first round pick, definitely at least a 2nd rounder, that we will HAVE to invest in now trying to fill the gap because the guys on the roster suck and wouldn't be able to even stop OJ if he came out of retirement from running for a 150 yards and 2 TDs on us.  

 

And its not like whatever pick we invest in replacing is a lock to be good as most draft picks bust of fall short of expectations.  So the cost could be even more expensive.  And honestly, we may use 2 picks on the DL as Kyle needs replacing as well.

[NewEraBills]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

While I understand where you are coming from, this is a guy who had 28.5 sacks in his first 4 years before Rex ruined the defense.  A DT getting sacks is highly dependent on how he is being used.  And with the a focus on shoring up the porous run defense we saw under Rex, its not surprising if McD was trying to use him to plug holes more.  

 

So we know Dareus is fully capable of pressuring the QB, if thats how the staff intends to use him.  He also was dealing with some injury stuff while here under the new staff too.  Which is why I would have rather us kept him to see if McD and the staff can find the best way to use him effectively and get on the same page.

 

Had we gotten back a 2nd, I would be much more OK with this.  My disdain is rooted in the fact we essentially gave him away to save a little one extra year on the cap.  People focus on the cap savings and champion it while completely over looking the COST to trade Dareus.  The cost to trade him is going to likely be a first round pick, definitely at least a 2nd rounder, that we will HAVE to invest in now trying to fill the gap because the guys on the roster suck and wouldn't be able to even stop OJ if he came out of retirement from running for a 150 yards and 2 TDs on us.  

 

And its not like whatever pick we invest in replacing is a lock to be good as most draft picks bust of fall short of expectations.  So the cost could be even more expensive.  And honestly, we may use 2 picks on the DL as Kyle needs replacing as well.

 

I'm full aware of Marcel's contribution to dropping QB's.  But that was before he got PAID.  Once he got paid he did the Haynesworth.  I do agree though that the 6th rd for him stings though.  I would have at the minimum hoped for another 3rd which gives us a chance to land another blue chip guy on the team.  I do think we need either two picks on the interior defensive line or bring someone significant in from FA.  The defensive line will need an infusion of talent next season but I also think we need a QB of the defense in the middle.  Preston just doesn't cut it for me.  I think the defense being #1 when it was was an amazing achievement because the talent level was nowhere close to the ranking.

Edited November 15, 2017 by NewEraBills