Draft prospects- defensive front 7. Who do you like?

[NewEra]

We need 2 DTs and new SLB and MLB.  It was embarrassing how easy it was for the jets and saints to just run the same play over and over and over and over and I could go on, and on.  Just pathetic.  8, 10, 12,18 yards gains almost every run.  They won’t allow this to happen.  In Carolina they spend a lot of draft resources on the front 7 and I expect these guys to do the same.  

 

 

who do you guys like?  Bust out your current personal power rankings in the front 7 positions we’ll be looking to address.  I’d like to watch them the rest of the season and bowl games.  Bandit, bloke, gunner and the rest of you forces of nature, let’s discuss some possible replacements in the draft or even free agency.  

 

Ps- I feel bad for Kyle Williams watching him out there.  He was a small part of the problem today but his effort put forth was equal to several of the other front 7 guys combined.  He doesn’t deserve to take a beatdown like that

[sjjr]

DT- Vita Vea (Washington)

      Lowell Lotulelei (Utah)

      BJ Hill (NC State)

      Trenton Thompson (Georgia)

 

DE- Bradley Chubb (NC State)

       Harold Landry (BC)

       Dorance Armstrong (Kansas)

       Duke Ejiofor (Wake Forest)

       Marcell Frazier (Mizzou)

 

LB- Josey Jewell (Iowa)

       Skai Moore (South Carolina)

       Tegray Scales (Indiana)

       Fred Warner (BYU)

[GunnerBill]

I love Roquan Smith from Georgia as a potential fit in this scheme.  I think he is a junior.... not sure if he will come out.  

[Victory Formation]

It's pointless to worry about any other position until we have a franchise QB on the roster.

[offyourocker]

How dare you say that?  Don't you know Tyrod does not turn the ball over.

[Billzgobowlin]

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB.   They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better.  Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

[13player]

3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

It's pointless to worry about any other position until we have a franchise QB on the roster.

 

you need to fix the line next year, Ritchie is 100 years old, Mills stinks at RT, Glen is always hurt. Once you deal with that and you can keep a franchise QB from getting killed then go get a QB until then everyone will fail. Just look at Luck  and then look at Wentz, If you keep the passer safe you even have a chance with Petterman because he reads the field fast and releases the ball.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

It's pointless to worry about any other position until we have a franchise QB on the roster.

No.  It’s pointless for YOU to worry about any other position.  Scouting players is fun for some.  

2 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB.   They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better.  Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

Who on the DLine will “be ok”?  Kyle? Thornton? Adolphus? Worthy?  Seriousl?  They’ll “be ok”........and they aren’t getting better.  They aren’t currently getting much worse. Other than adolphus, which DTs are under contract next year?

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I love Roquan Smith from Georgia as a potential fit in this scheme.  I think he is a junior.... not sure if he will come out.  

Yeah he looks like a perfect fit for WLB.  Do you think he can play MLB?  adding 10 lbs gets him to 230ish.  Should be big enough.  His 40 time will probably end up deciding which range he’ll be picked.  Could be top 10 if he runs 4.4?

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Yeah he looks like a perfect fit for WLB.  Do you think he can play MLB?  adding 10 lbs gets him to 230ish.  Should be big enough.  His 40 time will probably end up deciding which range he’ll be picked.  Could be top 10 if he runs 4.4?

 

I think he could but he will need to add 10-15 pounds.  The good news in this scheme is that it values speed and movement skills over size.  235ish might be big enough to play MLB in this scheme.  I think he is a first rounder.  Where in the first he goes remains to be determined.  

[The Now Moment]

Harrison Phillips DT Stanford.  6'3" 295.  He's a lot like kyle williams.  Is a senior and has had two productive years including this season's 65 tackle, 10.5 TFL, 5 sack performance that isn't over yet.  He Has 12 sacks in two years.  Really like the kid.  Smart, upstanding character and seems to fit the scheme well.  Just looks like a McDermott pick.

 

Tegray Scales LB Indiana 6'0" 230 lbs.  He is the perfect player for McDermott's scheme.  He has had 4 years of productive play in Indiana.  Isn't a headcase and can lead a defense.  his most productive year saw 125 tackles, 24 TFL, 7 sacks and an INT.  He's showed he is fast and can cover down the field with his 7 career interceptions.  He is a triple threat linebacker who can stuff the run, cover and get after the QB.  Just like Luke Keuchly does in Carolina.  Seems like a match to me.  He's just a little undersized.

 

I like many others but these popped out to me as really realistic options. Later in the draft Josey Jewell and the Washington linebackers are nice fits as well.  Lowell Lotulelei later in the draft for DT.  Defensive end is tough.  I really only like the top few guys.  Arden Key is one of my favorite prospects.  He hasn't had a tremendous year trying to come back from injury but he is a monster when healthy.  He plays with such passion it amps everyone else up.  He and Bradley Chubb have caught my eye.  I think they both have the potential to land high in the top ten so that puts us out of reach for now at least.  Some of the others are very good but just not a complete package to me.  There will be plenty of options though if they decide to go that route.  I personally think DT and LB are bigger needs.  

 

However, it will be interesting to see if they draft a QB.  If that happens in the first round, you can expect a few lineman with some of the high picks in the draft.  So maybe, the front 7 won't be addressed a whole lot through the draft this year.  Who knows what direction they take.  They luckily have enough picks to give help to both sides a little.

6 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think our D line will be ok but I would like to see a LB and CB.   They are tired no doubt but I see them getting better.  Dareus was a big loss talent wise but They have good DTs.

We do not have DTs.  They will need two new ones.  Washington is not good in the run defense and hasn't shown he can get to the QB.  I'm all for developing young players but if they don't fit the scheme...there's no point.  He had trouble with off the field stuff at the beginning of the year as well.  Kyle Williams is old and has looked it.  His contact is up, he may retire or stay on for nothing in a diminished role.  The rest are backups at best...the DTs and linebackers are needs.  Carolina draft a ton of DTs and LBs in McDermott/Beane's time there.  He is addressing the DT, I guarantee it.  

[Billzgobowlin]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Harrison Phillips DT Stanford.  6'3" 295.  He's a lot like kyle williams.  Is a senior and has had two productive years including this season's 65 tackle, 10.5 TFL, 5 sack performance that isn't over yet.  He Has 12 sacks in two years.  Really like the kid.  Smart, upstanding character and seems to fit the scheme well.  Just looks like a McDermott pick.

 

Tegray Scales LB Indiana 6'0" 230 lbs.  He is the perfect player for McDermott's scheme.  He has had 4 years of productive play in Indiana.  Isn't a headcase and can lead a defense.  his most productive year saw 125 tackles, 24 TFL, 7 sacks and an INT.  He's showed he is fast and can cover down the field with his 7 career interceptions.  He is a triple threat linebacker who can stuff the run, cover and get after the QB.  Just like Luke Keuchly does in Carolina.  Seems like a match to me.  He's just a little undersized.

 

I like many others but these popped out to me as really realistic options. Later in the draft Josey Jewell and the Washington linebackers are nice fits as well.  Lowell Lotulelei later in the draft for DT.  Defensive end is tough.  I really only like the top few guys.  Arden Key is one of my favorite prospects.  He hasn't had a tremendous year trying to come back from injury but he is a monster when healthy.  He plays with such passion it amps everyone else up.  He and Bradley Chubb have caught my eye.  I think they both have the potential to land high in the top ten so that puts us out of reach for now at least.  Some of the others are very good but just not a complete package to me.  There will be plenty of options though if they decide to go that route.  I personally think DT and LB are bigger needs.  

 

However, it will be interesting to see if they draft a QB.  If that happens in the first round, you can expect a few lineman with some of the high picks in the draft.  So maybe, the front 7 won't be addressed a whole lot through the draft this year.  Who knows what direction they take.  They luckily have enough picks to give help to both sides a little.

We do not have DTs.  They will need two new ones.  Washington is not good in the run defense and hasn't shown he can get to the QB.  I'm all for developing young players but if they don't fit the scheme...there's no point.  He had trouble with off the field stuff at the beginning of the year as well.  Kyle Williams is old and has looked it.  His contact is up, he may retire or stay on for nothing in a diminished role.  The rest are backups at best...the DTs and linebackers are needs.  Carolina draft a ton of DTs and LBs in McDermott/Beane's time there.  He is addressing the DT, I guarantee it.  

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

[The Now Moment]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

Don't look at one individual game...The DTs aren't talented and neither are the linebackers besides imo Milano, who needs more playing time.  Some of them don't fit the scheme and some aren't good enough.  If they aren't removed this year they will be next year.  However, with so many draft picks and salary cap, I think they will overhaul both groups.  Most of our starters are free agents anyway

4 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

41-19 is a very telling stat.  That is the Saints time of possession vs the Bills of which I think the Bills had most of the last 10 minutes.  You don't win games by not controlling the ball.  Is it the DTs fault, about as much as it is the LBs, Oline, McCoy, Taylor and whoever else is on the team.  DT was not the glaring weakness on defense, LBs were but nothing looked right that game.  Dareus would not have helped in this game and you can't rely on one position to fix it but get me a MLB before all.

I do agree though, a MLB should be one of the higher priorities

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

Don't look at one individual game...The DTs aren't talented and neither are the linebackers besides imo Milano, who needs more playing time.  Some of them don't fit the scheme and some aren't good enough.  If they aren't removed this year they will be next year.  However, with so many draft picks and salary cap, I think they will overhaul both groups.  Most of our starters are free agents anyway

I do agree though, a MLB should be one of the higher priorities

The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game.  The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

The only reason why we are looking at replacing all our DTs though is because of one game.  The 5-2 start had the Bills being stout in the middle.  

One game?  Did you happen to watch the jets game?

And we got destroyed up the middle.  Don’t think I can remember a team getting smashed up the middle like that in my life 

[Mat68]

Unless Peterman is a revoulation or Taylor does a 180 I think you go qb and Dt round 1.  Maybe linebaker, depends what happens in FA.  I think they target whichever tackle Carolina lets walk.  Star or Short.

[Elite Poster]

We need OL, DL, CB, RB, and QB.

 

Good luck.

[wppete]

We need a QB!

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

One game?  Did you happen to watch the jets game?

And we got destroyed up the middle.  Don’t think I can remember a team getting smashed up the middle like that in my life 

Ok you win two games.  As bad as they have been they were that good earlier this year against the run against good running teams.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Ok you win two games.  As bad as they have been they were that good earlier this year against the run against good running teams.

Ok, so are you saying that the run defense is fine?  No.  It’s awful.  Not sure what we’re discussing here 

[Billzgobowlin]

Just now, NewEra said:

Ok, so are you saying that the run defense is fine?  No.  It’s awful.  Not sure what we’re discussing here 

No never said anything about the run defense rather the DTs will be fine, not right after the last two games but name a player that shined the last two weeks.  I don't think these two games you can learn about any player right now.