Returntoglory Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Tyrod had one carry for 3 yards yesterday. Let that sink in for a minute. A QB touted to be one of the top 3 scrambling QB's in the league had 3 yards rushing! Sacked 6 times( career high?) Because he would not get rid of the ball or take off running. Is he now in self preservation mode or are we seeing a clear example of a player who Is not cut out for the QB position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) March 2017!. The Russian hackers who infultrated TSW in March are up to no good, I'm telling you.... Edited October 9, 2017 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Take TT running away from this run game and it's an average run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Take TT running away from this run game and it's an average run game.That's what Rico seems to be doing, he's gotta be in the mix, he's to good a runner, I hope this changes during bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Tyrod had one carry for 3 yards yesterday. Let that sink in for a minute. A QB touted to be one of the top 3 scrambling QB's in the league had 3 yards rushing! Sacked 6 times( career high?) Because he would not get rid of the ball or take off running. Is he now in self preservation mode or are we seeing a clear example of a player who Is not cut out for the QB position? They are making Tyrod fit the system....which may not always be a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) That's what Rico seems to be doing, he's gotta be in the mix, he's to good a runner, I hope this changes during bye There was one play where the Bengals sold out for McCoy and if TT kept it he would have run for a TD. It's a big piece to their running over the past 2 seasons and without it as a threat they can cheat to McCoy on every play. They even had some run blitz where everyone is out of position headed for McCoy and if TT pulls it he gets 10 or 20 yards easy. Edited October 9, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 This is the one thing I truly don't understand and also brings coaching into question. If Taylor does have one key strength it's making plays with his legs and designed roll out plays for him to keep it and run. If McD and/or Dennison are telling him not to run and stay in the pocket and throw do they not understand that's not who Taylor is? And again it raises the question of why not make a QB change if that is why they want out of the position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You have to credit the Bengals D as they contained him well. He didnt have a lot of opportunity to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You have to credit the Bengals D as they contained him well. He didnt have a lot of opportunity to run No not true. He didn't have any designed runs. I can't remember one zone run call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) This is going to be a long two weeks. But, like a poster said take away TTs best asset and the run game goes from elite to non-existent based on this years performance so far. He ran a bit in the ATL game and the running game became more viable as the game went on. Edited October 9, 2017 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 This is the one thing I truly don't understand and also brings coaching into question. If Taylor does have one key strength it's making plays with his legs and designed roll out plays for him to keep it and run. If McD and/or Dennison are telling him not to run and stay in the pocket and throw do they not understand that's not who Taylor is? And again it raises the question of why not make a QB change if that is why they want out of the position? this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 No not true. He didn't have any designed runs. I can't remember one zone run call. I dont understand why they did not run any of those type plays while in the redzone. He did that several times the first two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Take TT running away from this run game and it's an average run game. Take away Tyrods rushing numbers from last year and we still had a top 5 running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Take away Tyrods rushing numbers from last year and we still had a top 5 running game. This is true...but the threat of TT's runs have a lot to do with the success of the running game as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Take away Tyrods rushing numbers from last year and we still had a top 5 running game. I disagree that those would be the numbers. TT takes players away from McCoy in the run game because the offside end and linebacker stay home. When TT is not a running threat they run line slants because they don't fear TT keeping it. At least that's what I've seen so far. Edited October 9, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Take away Tyrods rushing numbers from last year and we still had a top 5 running game. A lot of theories on this board tend to occur in a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Come on now. Designed runs or not, he sat in the pocket way too long and NEVER thought about scrambling! He left a lot of yards on the field and a few first downs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Come on now. Designed runs or not, he sat in the pocket way too long and NEVER thought about scrambling! He left a lot of yards on the field and a few first downs! Because that's what they have coached him to do. They have coached running out of his game. Also in the past TT ran scripted run plays. I have seen maybe 1 scripted run play this season and it went for a 1st down against Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Because that's what they have coached him to do. They have coached running out of his game. Also in the past TT ran scripted run plays. I have seen maybe 1 scripted run play this season and it went for a 1st down against Denver. Were talking about scrambling, not designed running plays for him. His natural ability for self preservation should have kicked in but NEVER DID! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Because that's what they have coached him to do. They have coached running out of his game. Also in the past TT ran scripted run plays. I have seen maybe 1 scripted run play this season and it went for a 1st down against Denver. One got called back on holding. Seemed like a designed QB draw anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The OC needs to go, NOW. MCD and Fraizer did a fantastic job with the D. Dennison "Rexe'd" up the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You're so right, of course!! Because it's not like there's an opposing team on the field game planning for this type of play! More nonsensical belly-aching... You must thought losing Watkins and all receiving threats would improve the offense, no? The OC needs to go, NOW. MCD and Fraizer did a fantastic job with the D. Dennison "Rexe'd" up the offense. This team is clearly building for the future... But you're right, let's fire the coaching staff 5 weeks in after a 3-2 start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You're so right, of course!! Because it's not like there's an opposing team on the field game planning for this type of play! More nonsensical belly-aching... You must thought losing Watkins and all receiving threats would improve the offense, no? This team is clearly building for the future... But you're right, let's fire the coaching staff 5 weeks in after a 3-2 start! The offensive regression is terrible. Not fire the coaching staff, but Dennison was a terrible hire from day 1. He is forcing a scheme on players it does not fit. Similar to Rex. How'd that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Tyrod needs to learn how to step up into a clean pocket. Half his sacks could have easily been avoided if if moved up 2-3 yards inside the pocket. I was surprised to see that yesterday actually as he normally steps ups and makes a pass if someone is open or picks a lane and takes off. Edited October 9, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The OC needs to go, NOW. MCD and Fraizer did a fantastic job with the D. Dennison "Rexe'd" up the offense. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) It was almost like he was trying to prove something yesterday by staying in the pocket and trying to be a QB. He's not a good passer. You take his running out of his game and he isn't an NFL caliber player. The whole thing about Taylor is that he is supposed to be able to hurt you with his legs and occasionally make the big throw because teams are worried about him running. If he decides to sit back there and not even look to run, it is only going to get worse. Edited October 9, 2017 by sven233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 It was almost like he was trying to prove something yesterday by staying in the pocket and trying to be a QB. He's not a good passer. You take his running out of his game and he isn't an NFL caliber player. The whole thing about Taylor is that he is supposed to be able to hurt you with his legs and occasionally make the big throw because teams are worried about him running. If he decides to sit back there and not even look to run, it is only going to get worse. The only one Tyrod is hurting is his team and fan base, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 This is true...but the threat of TT's runs have a lot to do with the success of the running game as well What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The OC needs to go, NOW. MCD and Fraizer did a fantastic job with the D. Dennison "Rexe'd" up the offense. He's not going anywhere. Some posts today remind me it's a holiday for many elementary through high schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I disagree that those would be the numbers. TT takes players away from McCoy in the run game because the offside end and linebacker stay home. When TT is not a running threat they run line slants because they don't fear TT keeping it. At least that's what I've seen so far. I dont understand what you are trying to say here. Can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Were talking about scrambling, not designed running plays for him. His natural ability for self preservation should have kicked in but NEVER DID! Because they want him to play from the pocket. They have coached it out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 This is the one thing I truly don't understand and also brings coaching into question. If Taylor does have one key strength it's making plays with his legs and designed roll out plays for him to keep it and run. If McD and/or Dennison are telling him not to run and stay in the pocket and throw do they not understand that's not who Taylor is? And again it raises the question of why not make a QB change if that is why they want out of the position? They have to fully evaluate him as an NFL quarterback. Being a running back who takes snaps from center isn't a sustainable long-term strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 It was almost like he was trying to prove something yesterday by staying in the pocket and trying to be a QB. He's not a good passer. You take his running out of his game and he isn't an NFL caliber player. The whole thing about Taylor is that he is supposed to be able to hurt you with his legs and occasionally make the big throw because teams are worried about him running. If he decides to sit back there and not even look to run, it is only going to get worse. Mostly agree -- but I'd say "isn't an NFL caliber starter." EJ Manuel had more rushing yards yesterday. Running -- not just scrambling, but designed runs and grabbing the opportunity to run on pass plays when the pocket breaks down or his 1st/2nd reads are covered -- is absolutely essential to his game. It's like Mike Vick, Pocket Passer ... a pretty useless player, which is exactly what he became when he lost the ability to run effectively. I'm not sure how much of this is Tyrod being coached not to run vs. Tyrod trying to show he can succeed without running vs. Tyrod trying to protect his body for this season vs. Tyrod trying to protect his body for free agency after this season. Probably a little bit of each. But I do know that he is an extremely limited QB when you (or he himself) takes away the running element of his game. And as others have noticed, a non-running Tyrod also has a negative impact on the Bills running game as a whole. So Tyrod, it's time to put that critical element back into your game ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 They have to fully evaluate him as an NFL quarterback. Being a running back who takes snaps from center isn't a sustainable long-term strategy. Yes and they should know by now Taylor isn't an prototypical NFL QB in that sense and never will be. We are simply delaying the inevitable the longer they stick with him as the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yes and they should know by now Taylor isn't an prototypical NFL QB in that sense and never will be. We are simply delaying the inevitable the longer they stick with him as the starter. If Taylor and the offense aren't better after the Thursday night game vs. Jets (11/2) then I expect the coaching staff to make a switch. Either that, or they wait until 12/10 vs. Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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