Webster Guy Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 and belichick guaranteed him $40M. GENIUSSSSSSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBills Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I've always disliked Gilmore on the field. He's been terrible since day one. I couldn't have been happier when I found out that the Bills were moving on from this bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 @CSNNE Stephon Gilmore makes several crucial mistakes in #Patriots' loss to #Panthers - @MikeGiardi http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/stephon-gilmore-makes-several-crucial-mistakes-in-new-england-patriots-loss-to-carolina-panthers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 He has been ugly this season. Bills made the right move to not overpay for him, granted I thought he was a pretty solid corner in his time here but far too up and down to make him the 8th highest paid corner in the league when realistically he played somewhere in the range of the 22nd to 32nd best corner in the league in his time here. Tre has been a stud far better than anyone could project so the Bills not only went with the cheaper option but they went with the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Yeah, it's been a problem for a few years. It's been talked about pretty consistently on this board; by far his biggest issue. Though IMO it's never kept him from being a very good player. It has, however, kept him from being the best he's capable of being. This is my take, as well. But there is something I don't quite get. Why all the Gilmore hate? I get reveling in his failure because he plays for the Pats*, but this seems to be something more. Was he a bad guy here? Did he shame the Bills on the way out? And I'm not even talking about the posts that say "He sucked from day one with the Bills" (or things of that nature), because I just write off those comments to stupidity. But there seems to be something that is driving real hate toward him, and I can't figure out what it is. If it's just about the $$, then Bills fans should LOVE the fact he's getting it elsewhere (especially from the Pats*). Fred Smerlas s#it all over Buffalo (the city), the Bills and their fans, yet everyone seemed to love him after he left (and to this day, it seems). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 This is my take, as well. But there is something I don't quite get. Why all the Gilmore hate? I get reveling in his failure because he plays for the Pats*, but this seems to be something more. Was he a bad guy here? Did he shame the Bills on the way out? And I'm not even talking about the posts that say "He sucked from day one with the Bills" (or things of that nature), because I just write off those comments to stupidity. But there seems to be something that is driving real hate toward him, and I can't figure out what it is. If it's just about the $$, then Bills fans should LOVE the fact he's getting it elsewhere (especially from the Pats*). Fred Smerlas s#it all over Buffalo (the city), the Bills and their fans, yet everyone seemed to love him after he left (and to this day, it seems). I can't speak for anyone else , but there are a few factors here. The largest of which is that he wasn't interested in doing the dirty work such as tackling and run support. He was quick to point at others when beat, took penalties and seemed aloof. Just not a guy that's going to endear himself to a fan base. And he wasn't a great player, which fans want at his draft spot. Just a theory. Some throw shade his way for pouting when the Bills drafted him but I can't imagine he held that grudge for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 I can't speak for anyone else , but there are a few factors here. The largest of which is that he wasn't interested in doing the dirty work such as tackling and run support. He was quick to point at others when beat, took penalties and seemed aloof. Just not a guy that's going to endear himself to a fan base. And he wasn't a great player, which fans want at his draft spot. Just a theory. Some throw shade his way for pouting when the Bills drafted him but I can't imagine he held that grudge for 5 years. My take as well. Never struck me as a team player who was interested in doing what it took to win. Like many, perhaps constant coaching changes stunted his growth but he lack consistency in all aspects of the game. Positioning, instincts, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 This is my take, as well. But there is something I don't quite get. Why all the Gilmore hate? I get reveling in his failure because he plays for the Pats*, but this seems to be something more. Was he a bad guy here? Did he shame the Bills on the way out? And I'm not even talking about the posts that say "He sucked from day one with the Bills" (or things of that nature), because I just write off those comments to stupidity. But there seems to be something that is driving real hate toward him, and I can't figure out what it is. If it's just about the $$, then Bills fans should LOVE the fact he's getting it elsewhere (especially from the Pats*). Fred Smerlas s#it all over Buffalo (the city), the Bills and their fans, yet everyone seemed to love him after he left (and to this day, it seems). Not sure Dean. I think a lot of it has to do with that he was a high draft pick during a regime that took power in the latter years of the current drought, claimed they were going to bring change, and never produced the results on the field. The "he's always sucked" comments are rightly ignored; they have zero basis in fact; it's a purely emotional argument that cannot, in any way whatsoever, be supported by any real data. As for yesterday, what a cluster NE's defense is looking like right now. I'm not a big Rodney Harrison fan (mostly because he's a proven cheater and nobody appears to care about that at all), but he's right when he says that there's clearly huge communication issues. I mean, just look at the Whittaker TD yesterday: Gilmore is calling out a zone swap when McCaffrey goes in motion, McCourty looks to be calling for a man-pass to Gilmore (but he ends up following McCaffrey anyway), and Kyle Van Noy seems to think he's got the motion back in man coverage as well. So I ask myself: how can 3 different guys think that 3 different things are going on in the same defense? Gilmore had a lousy game yesterday, but the above issues are systemic in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 But wait.... the Patriots have better Bills players than the Bills do!! I'm so confused and don't know who I can trust on TV anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 So I heard he was benched in the 2nd half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 So I heard he was benched in the 2nd half? Yep but Eric Rowe got hurt so they had to put him back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 How are his people supposed to watch him on tv if he's on the bench?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 This is my take, as well. But there is something I don't quite get. Why all the Gilmore hate? I get reveling in his failure because he plays for the Pats*, but this seems to be something more. Was he a bad guy here? Did he shame the Bills on the way out? And I'm not even talking about the posts that say "He sucked from day one with the Bills" (or things of that nature), because I just write off those comments to stupidity. But there seems to be something that is driving real hate toward him, and I can't figure out what it is. If it's just about the $$, then Bills fans should LOVE the fact he's getting it elsewhere (especially from the Pats*). Fred Smerlas s#it all over Buffalo (the city), the Bills and their fans, yet everyone seemed to love him after he left (and to this day, it seems). Actually I hate Fat Freddie for the reasons you stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Not sure Dean. I think a lot of it has to do with that he was a high draft pick during a regime that took power in the latter years of the current drought, claimed they were going to bring change, and never produced the results on the field. The "he's always sucked" comments are rightly ignored; they have zero basis in fact; it's a purely emotional argument that cannot, in any way whatsoever, be supported by any real data. As for yesterday, what a cluster NE's defense is looking like right now. I'm not a big Rodney Harrison fan (mostly because he's a proven cheater and nobody appears to care about that at all), but he's right when he says that there's clearly huge communication issues. I mean, just look at the Whittaker TD yesterday: Gilmore is calling out a zone swap when McCaffrey goes in motion, McCourty looks to be calling for a man-pass to Gilmore (but he ends up following McCaffrey anyway), and Kyle Van Noy seems to think he's got the motion back in man coverage as well. So I ask myself: how can 3 different guys think that 3 different things are going on in the same defense? Gilmore had a lousy game yesterday, but the above issues are systemic in nature. They swapped Logan Ryan out and put Gilmore into a ready made secondary. You can defend him to the end of the world but the same "communication issues" that plagued the Bills are now a big problem in NE. Gilmore is getting fried over here by all the local guys who spend time with the actual team. Why was he benched? I'm glad McBeane isn't blinded by these "stats" and is getting some real football players in here. It's a lot more enjoyable watching guys who play together and go full speed 100 percent of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 so Gilmore appears to not be worth the money, exactly why OBD waived bye bye to him. Hes a serviceable starting CB in this league, just isnt worth the cash he wanted. NFL is a business. When this team makes business moves people go crazy. OMG, we let our (insert half ways decent player who wants huge $$$$ cuz he has leverage over a team that seems desperate) best player goooo! Clements Byrd Gillmore etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 They swapped Logan Ryan out and put Gilmore into a ready made secondary. You can defend him to the end of the world but the same "communication issues" that plagued the Bills are now a big problem in NE. Gilmore is getting fried over here by all the local guys who spend time with the actual team. Why was he benched? I'm glad McBeane isn't blinded by these "stats" and is getting some real football players in here. It's a lot more enjoyable watching guys who play together and go full speed 100 percent of the time. Wait, are you really asking why he got benched? Anyone can answer that quite easily: because he had an awful game. The two catches that he allowed were killers, and his two penalties were both unnecessary and poorly-timed. Can't show those kinds of lapses and expect to float on a Belichick-coached team. You can keep making the Gilmore discussion about "stats" (which only you seem to be arguing), but you're missing the forest for the trees. There's absolutely no fact-based argument that Gilmore "has always sucked"...it's purely emotional. The communication issues that plagued Rex's Bills didn't have much of an impact on Gilmore (or Darby) in 2015, when they both played very good football. Both regressed a bit in 2016, though Gilmore made the pro bowl. And again, it's not about defending Gilmore, though you (and a few others) seem to always want to make it about that. I call it like I see it; when a guy plays well, I'm going to say so...when a guy plays poorly, I'm going to say so. I do not have an agenda, unlike folks that want to claim that Gilmore "has always sucked"--that's an agenda-driven argument. Now, on the play above--which is what you most-recently responded to--it's very clear that 3 guys (Gilmore, McCourty, Van Noy) are all doing something different. Are you really trying to tell me that it's Gilmore's fault that 3 guys at different positions are all playing a different coverage? There's no way you think that; that, good sir, is a coaching issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 https://twitter.com/search?q=Stephon+Gilmore Holy smokes! I'm reading twitter on him and it is brutal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Gilmore: 13 targets, 9 rec, 169 yd, 13 YPA, 72 YAC, TD, INT, 105.4 passer rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Wait, are you really asking why he got benched? Anyone can answer that quite easily: because he had an awful game. The two catches that he allowed were killers, and his two penalties were both unnecessary and poorly-timed. Can't show those kinds of lapses and expect to float on a Belichick-coached team. You can keep making the Gilmore discussion about "stats" (which only you seem to be arguing), but you're missing the forest for the trees. There's absolutely no fact-based argument that Gilmore "has always sucked"...it's purely emotional. The communication issues that plagued Rex's Bills didn't have much of an impact on Gilmore (or Darby) in 2015, when they both played very good football. Both regressed a bit in 2016, though Gilmore made the pro bowl. And again, it's not about defending Gilmore, though you (and a few others) seem to always want to make it about that. I call it like I see it; when a guy plays well, I'm going to say so...when a guy plays poorly, I'm going to say so. I do not have an agenda, unlike folks that want to claim that Gilmore "has always sucked"--that's an agenda-driven argument. Now, on the play above--which is what you most-recently responded to--it's very clear that 3 guys (Gilmore, McCourty, Van Noy) are all doing something different. Are you really trying to tell me that it's Gilmore's fault that 3 guys at different positions are all playing a different coverage? There's no way you think that; that, good sir, is a coaching issue. Gross misjudgment by BB on that signing and it didn't takelong for it to show itself. Jeff Howe had a good point this morning, days before FA opened the Patriots were ridiculing teams for signing high priced FA's the opening day of FA without ever meeting with them or putting them infront of a series of play calls and seeing how they would adjust. Days later FA opened and BB and the Pats made this same mistake with Gilmore. I said it at the time and I will say it again if they got Bouye things would have been much worse for us Bills fans. I'm very interested in seeing how Gilmore responds this week, he might be the next David Price for the Boston media and my guess is he melts just as fast. He is a better athlete than Logan Ryan but Ryan was a better fit opposite Butler. Now they have a pissed off Butler, an always confused Gilmore, and no pass rush. Heck, just from looking at the predraft hype for Gilmore and the lack there of for White I'd guess he posted better numbers at the combine. Edited October 2, 2017 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Holy smokes! I'm reading twitter on him and it is brutal! Absolutely classic material. He locked his Twitter account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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