Go on record regarding the trades

[Coach Tuesday]

 

In regards to his speed or production?

 

Yes.

[Magox]

 

Yes.

So his production was analogous to a low end car. Got it

[Coach Tuesday]

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that so many folks around here support these moves. I just don't understand it. I wonder if Buffalo sports fans and residents are so beaten down that they just assume that good players don't want to be in Buffalo, so it's just a matter of time before the good ones leave and "don't let the door hit you on the way out" if you even hint at being unhappy.

 

Or maybe Bills fans have simply forgotten what it's like to be competitive on Sundays and have focused all of their energies and fantasies on the offseason and NFL Draft, so that they'd rather gear up for a super exciting draft weekend than have to watch their team fall short year after year during the actual season.

 

Mark my words: the Bills are going to spend years - YEARS - trying to acquire another talent the likes of Sammy. To trade away an explosive, game-altering, defense-intimidating player in the prime of his career, after all that has been invested in marketing him and healing him and integrating him - it's just lunacy to me.

 

And wait until you see all of the 4-yard rollout passes to fullbacks and plodding lead-handed receivers this season - folks are gonna start to turn on this trade, I firmly believe. This is going to be a boring, slow, easily-defended offense designed to limit mistakes.

 

This is Jauron Ball 2.0. They're building a roster full of saints and soldiers, that's great, but where is the TALENT?

So his production was analogous to a low end car. Got it

 

One of the least-efficient WRs in the league.

[Magox]

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that so many folks around here support these moves. I just don't understand it. I wonder if Buffalo sports fans and residents are so beaten down that they just assume that good players don't want to be in Buffalo, so it's just a matter of time before the good ones leave and "don't let the door hit you on the way out" if you even hint at being unhappy.

 

Or maybe Bills fans have simply forgotten what it's like to be competitive on Sundays and have focused all of their energies and fantasies on the offseason and NFL Draft, so that they'd rather gear up for a super exciting draft weekend than have to watch their team fall short year after year during the actual season.

 

Mark my words: the Bills are going to spend years - YEARS - trying to acquire another talent the likes of Sammy. To trade away an explosive, game-altering, defense-intimidating player in the prime of his career, after all that has been invested in marketing him and healing him and integrating him - it's just lunacy to me.

 

And wait until you see all of the 4-yard rollout passes to fullbacks and plodding lead-handed receivers this season - folks are gonna start to turn on this trade, I firmly believe. This is going to be a boring, slow, easily-defended offense designed to limit mistakes.

 

This is Jauron Ball 2.0. They're building a roster full of saints and soldiers, that's great, but where is the TALENT?

 

 

One of the least-efficient WRs in the league.

Okey dokey.

[Wayne Cubed]

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that so many folks around here support these moves. I just don't understand it. I wonder if Buffalo sports fans and residents are so beaten down that they just assume that good players don't want to be in Buffalo, so it's just a matter of time before the good ones leave and "don't let the door hit you on the way out" if you even hint at being unhappy.

 

Or maybe Bills fans have simply forgotten what it's like to be competitive on Sundays and have focused all of their energies and fantasies on the offseason and NFL Draft, so that they'd rather gear up for a super exciting draft weekend than have to watch their team fall short year after year during the actual season.

 

Mark my words: the Bills are going to spend years - YEARS - trying to acquire another talent the likes of Sammy. To trade away an explosive, game-altering, defense-intimidating player in the prime of his career, after all that has been invested in marketing him and healing him and integrating him - it's just lunacy to me.

 

And wait until you see all of the 4-yard rollout passes to fullbacks and plodding lead-handed receivers this season - folks are gonna start to turn on this trade, I firmly believe. This is going to be a boring, slow, easily-defended offense designed to limit mistakes.

 

This is Jauron Ball 2.0. They're building a roster full of saints and soldiers, that's great, but where is the TALENT?

 

 

One of the least-efficient WRs in the league.

Not sure it'll be this season as fans will just look forward to the draft. But give it a few years and they'll be wanting a #1 receiver. I mean Moulds was the last #1 receiver the Bills really had.

 

The part that annoys me is yea they got draft picks, where do you think Watkins replacement will come from? The Bills aren't going to spend in FA, McD and Beane have already said as much.

 

I just don't believe in this philosophy of getting rid of young talent. If you wanna tank, fine, get rid of veteran talent like the Jets are doing. Get rid of Kyle, Eric Wood, don't restructure Tyrod... don't sign Boldin/Alexander. Go for the top 3 pick. This getting rid of 2 youngs guys and remaining mildly competitive is going to result in a pick outside the top 10. And yea they may be able to move up, but if the Jets are siting there at 1, the 49ers at 2 and the Jaguars at 3, the chances of moving into those spots for a QB are slim, especially if said QB is a slam dunk.

 

So now the Bills are settling for possibly lesser QB and going half in on a tank.

[Coach Tuesday]

I agree, Wayne. Keep the young core if you're building for the future. Trading Sammy is INSANE.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I agree, Wayne. Keep the young core if you're building for the future. Trading Sammy is INSANE.

Wrong. And in the minority of emotional, vocal incorrectness.

[Coach Tuesday]

Wrong. And in the minority of emotional, vocal incorrectness.

 

40,000 posts of drivel.

[SoTier]

Words are wind.

 

Especially those from the Bills FO.

Edited August 13, 2017 by SoTier

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

40,000 posts of drivel.

 

If you disapprove, I'm doing something right.

[Maury Ballstein]

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that so many folks around here support these moves. I just don't understand it. I wonder if Buffalo sports fans and residents are so beaten down that they just assume that good players don't want to be in Buffalo, so it's just a matter of time before the good ones leave and "don't let the door hit you on the way out" if you even hint at being unhappy.

 

Or maybe Bills fans have simply forgotten what it's like to be competitive on Sundays and have focused all of their energies and fantasies on the offseason and NFL Draft, so that they'd rather gear up for a super exciting draft weekend than have to watch their team fall short year after year during the actual season.

 

Mark my words: the Bills are going to spend years - YEARS - trying to acquire another talent the likes of Sammy. To trade away an explosive, game-altering, defense-intimidating player in the prime of his career, after all that has been invested in marketing him and healing him and integrating him - it's just lunacy to me.

 

And wait until you see all of the 4-yard rollout passes to fullbacks and plodding lead-handed receivers this season - folks are gonna start to turn on this trade, I firmly believe. This is going to be a boring, slow, easily-defended offense designed to limit mistakes.

 

This is Jauron Ball 2.0. They're building a roster full of saints and soldiers, that's great, but where is the TALENT?

 

.

Nailed it. Only out if Zay crushes it.

[SoTier]

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that so many folks around here support these moves. I just don't understand it. I wonder if Buffalo sports fans and residents are so beaten down that they just assume that good players don't want to be in Buffalo, so it's just a matter of time before the good ones leave and "don't let the door hit you on the way out" if you even hint at being unhappy.

 

Or maybe Bills fans have simply forgotten what it's like to be competitive on Sundays and have focused all of their energies and fantasies on the offseason and NFL Draft, so that they'd rather gear up for a super exciting draft weekend than have to watch their team fall short year after year during the actual season.

 

Mark my words: the Bills are going to spend years - YEARS - trying to acquire another talent the likes of Sammy. To trade away an explosive, game-altering, defense-intimidating player in the prime of his career, after all that has been invested in marketing him and healing him and integrating him - it's just lunacy to me.

 

And wait until you see all of the 4-yard rollout passes to fullbacks and plodding lead-handed receivers this season - folks are gonna start to turn on this trade, I firmly believe. This is going to be a boring, slow, easily-defended offense designed to limit mistakes.

 

This is Jauron Ball 2.0. They're building a roster full of saints and soldiers, that's great, but where is the TALENT?

 

One of the least-efficient WRs in the league.

 

 

Not sure it'll be this season as fans will just look forward to the draft. But give it a few years and they'll be wanting a #1 receiver. I mean Moulds was the last #1 receiver the Bills really had.

 

The part that annoys me is yea they got draft picks, where do you think Watkins replacement will come from? The Bills aren't going to spend in FA, McD and Beane have already said as much.

 

I just don't believe in this philosophy of getting rid of young talent. If you wanna tank, fine, get rid of veteran talent like the Jets are doing. Get rid of Kyle, Eric Wood, don't restructure Tyrod... don't sign Boldin/Alexander. Go for the top 3 pick. This getting rid of 2 youngs guys and remaining mildly competitive is going to result in a pick outside the top 10. And yea they may be able to move up, but if the Jets are siting there at 1, the 49ers at 2 and the Jaguars at 3, the chances of moving into those spots for a QB are slim, especially if said QB is a slam dunk.

 

So now the Bills are settling for possibly lesser QB and going half in on a tank.

 

Agree with both posts. This trade stinks the same way the Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch trades stunk, and the knee-jerk approval of Bills fans of all three simply demonstrates why it's unlikely that the Bills will seriously seek to put a winning team on the field any time in the foreseeable future. With most of the team revenue coming from tv money, it's much more profitable for the Bills to suck than to be competitive, particularly when apparently there's no move the FO can make that will deter fans blindly supporting the team.

[BringBackOrton]

Wrong. And in the minority of emotional, vocal incorrectness.

 

The majority, and you, thought Rex Ryan was a great hire.

 

Bye Felicia.

[oldmanfan]

Lynch and his agent went to Buddy after Spiller got drafted and told him there was no way he was resigning. So Buddy moved him. And let's not open up the Peters nonsense again.

 

I don't like the Sammy trade, because when he's healthy he's an elite talent. But is he truly healthy? Did he and/or his agent tell the Bills he wasn't going to reup this year? We don't know. Maybe he was ticked he didn't get his extension for year 5, although with his injury it seemed reasonable. A lot goes on we as fans don't see. And as I recall isn't his agent from the Parker stable?

 

Stinks that he got traded. But if you look at the team now vs. a week ago the difference is you gave up one WR in Sammy but now have two starters in Bolden and Matthews. Neither are as dynamic as a healthy Sammy, which stinks. But looking at it this way I don't know that the doom and gloom is altogether justified.

[BringBackOrton]

It doesn't seem to me like McDermott is calling the shots. Beane said he didn't even tell him about the Sammy trade until the night before it happened. Then they all discussed it - Pegula, McDermott and Beane and came to a conclusion. That sounds to me like a group effort, which is what they've said all along.

 

 

They hadn't traded Sammy yet when they signed Holmes though, and they could still end up cutting him and the others for the 3rd round comp pick.

I still think that's a likely scenario that they cut 3 of those 4 players for the comp pick. Especially if they're able to fill those holes when rosters are cut down to 53.

 

Again though, it's not just Holmes they need to cut. So it's not him alone that costs them a comp pick. It's 3 of these 4 players - Ducasse, Holmes, DiMarco (or Ryan Davis, I've seen both listed), and Stephen Hauschka.

 

Also, I'm not sure I'd say it makes no sense to sign needed players to fill out your roster, instead of getting a 3rd round comp pick a year from now (which is really a 4th round pick, since it is given after the 3rd round is over).

McD was calling the shots before Beane was hired.

 

If Watkins isn't "needed," neither is Ducasse, Davis and Holmes. And again, the comp pick is before every 4th round pick. It's not "basically a 4th."

Lynch and his agent went to Buddy after Spiller got drafted and told him there was no way he was resigning. So Buddy moved him. And let's not open up the Peters nonsense again.

 

I don't like the Sammy trade, because when he's healthy he's an elite talent. But is he truly healthy? Did he and/or his agent tell the Bills he wasn't going to reup this year? We don't know. Maybe he was ticked he didn't get his extension for year 5, although with his injury it seemed reasonable. A lot goes on we as fans don't see. And as I recall isn't his agent from the Parker stable?

 

Stinks that he got traded. But if you look at the team now vs. a week ago the difference is you gave up one WR in Sammy but now have two starters in Bolden and Matthews. Neither are as dynamic as a healthy Sammy, which stinks. But looking at it this way I don't know that the doom and gloom is altogether justified.

Beane flat out said he had no info about Sammy wanting out.

[oldmanfan]

McD was calling the shots before Beane was hired.

 

If Watkins isn't "needed," neither is Ducasse, Davis and Holmes. And again, the comp pick is before every 4th round pick. It's not "basically a 4th."

 

Beane flat out said he had no info about Sammy wanting out.

Ok

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

The majority, and you, thought Rex Ryan was a great hire.

 

Bye Felicia.

Also wrong.

[BringBackOrton]

Also wrong.

https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/175270-do-you-approve-hiring-rex-ryan-as-hc/?p=3419098

 

 

Ball don't lie.

 

I got to say. You and the majority "nailed it."

[Scott7975]

For those that like the trade, flip it and think about how you would feel. Lets say we have the receivers we have now. The Rams are the ones who drafted Sammy. You wake up to find we traded a second round pick and acquired Watkins. Are you pissed or happy?

Edited August 13, 2017 by Scott7975

[NoSaint]

The draft picks retained the last decade or so is terrible. Whole draft classes gone.

This offseason alone we had Sammy, EJ, Gilmore, Kujo, Darby and woods.

 

That's 4 firsts (Sammy x2) and 3 seconds out the door without a second contract this offseason alone.

[YoloinOhio]

I would not have done it, nor would I have had the cajones to do it. I don't like it right now. My viewpoint may change of course as it all plays out. If the team is better because if it (by wins - I don't care about WR stats) and they gained valuable draft assets in the process - then of course I will look back and applaud it.

Edited August 13, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[WideRightRevenge]

This SUMS up the entire Watkins trade. This crap, we would not, or could not have resigned him is lame and false information people use to rectify the situation or trade in their head.

 

Many Bills fans cannot see we got bent over due to a horrible FO decision is head scratching to me. Strike #2 already letting Gilmore walk to the Pats whom I guarantee will light up the Pats secondary and most likely make the PB for nothing,

 

Add: Typical Bills FO BS at it's finest. So, next year we draft a QB in the 1st rd = great and about time. The following year we spend another 1st pick on WR for our shiny new QB as we don't have a true #1 WR now that can stretch the field. THIS is a complete waste and improper way to build the team when your #1 WR was still very young and on the team already.

 

Hey just curious at combine in 2014 .. Sammy ran a 4.43 ... Zay Jones ran a 4.46 ... 3 100th's of a second is the differential in stretching the field?

Yeah Dock, this team is so flippant about disposing of their talent and trading for other teams losers, I'm supposed to have faith that this regime can magically draft well?

 

Sammy I'm ok with, he is soft. But I didn't like the Darby move at all and have no faith in the 2nd and 3rd Round pick they got. The Bills are a farm team because the weight of losing always makes them fire their Coaches and FO which means constant roster turnover.

 

No team gets less out of their talent and draft picks as the Buffalo Bills.

 

If that were the case why one earth would other teams pay Millions to our draft picks as Free Agents (Gilmore, Gilleslee, Byrd, Levitre) ... wow .. its one thing to say we won't pay for our talent .. its another to say we get less out of them ... wasn't a few years ago the Bills had basically the starting front 4 at the Pro Bowl .. quit being a hater.

[Nick the Greek]

Stockpiling draft picks.. the Browns are notorious for doing that. Look where that has gotten them.

 

Hey, at least we're not the Browns. But we're behaving a lot like them.

[Section242]

The moves don't make sense in conjunction with the other moves the team has made. Why bring in Boldin? Why have Taylor on the roster? They've gotta be worse than the Jets or 9ers to get their guy at QB. Don't sell 24 year old players and say you're building for the future. He should've been part of the future. It's hard to sell another rebuild when they've gone 17 years without making the playoffs. McDermott's different Beane is different, just like Gailey, Nix, Marrone, Jauron, Rex were different when they were hired.

 

If Tyrod is cut tomorrow I would agree with the moves more. If they're trading out of drafting a QB in the draft then trading their most talented player I want the team to get their guy. Not the guy whose leftover after the 9ers and Jets pick. These moves are clearly about getting a QB. Don't try to hide it with Taylor. I can't not root for the Bills and will hope they win on Sundays, yet after the season winning those 6 or so games will be a setback for the franchise.

[fansince88]

Im a diehard Mets fan and I have been saying for 3 years, "gotta let David Wright walk" because he is always injured. Same feeling on Sammy.

[Kirby Jackson]

The moves don't make sense in conjunction with the other moves the team has made. Why bring in Boldin? Why have Taylor on the roster? They've gotta be worse than the Jets or 9ers to get their guy at QB. Don't sell 24 year old players and say you're building for the future. He should've been part of the future. It's hard to sell another rebuild when they've gone 17 years without making the playoffs. McDermott's different Beane is different, just like Gailey, Nix, Marrone, Jauron, Rex were different when they were hired.

 

If Tyrod is cut tomorrow I would agree with the moves more. If they're trading out of drafting a QB in the draft then trading their most talented player I want the team to get their guy. Not the guy whose leftover after the 9ers and Jets pick. These moves are clearly about getting a QB. Don't try to hide it with Taylor. I can't not root for the Bills and will hope they win on Sundays, yet after the season winning those 6 or so games will be a setback for the franchise.

Perfectly said

 

One more thing on the trade a lot of people like it because Sammy was going to be hard to sign. They had the tag to use twice. They controlled his rights. Additionally the Bills have loads of cap space and will have a roster full of guys on rookie deals. They aren't hindered or restricted by the cap at all. That point is totally irrelevant. The Bills could have elected to make Sammy the highest paid player in the NFL and wouldn't have had to make one roster decision because of it. They just decided that they weren't going to re-sign him.

 

Additionally, you have Matthews entering FA next year. He's probably looking at $10M+ a year. It's not like there is massive savings there. Would you rather have Matthews at $10M a year or Watkins at $12M?

 

The whole "signability" thing is a lie. Nothing was preventing the Bills from signing him just like nothing will prevent them from signing Matthews.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[BuffaloWings]

At first, I was shocked and hated it.

 

Then I read Joe B's analysis and I'm happy with it. I still don't see playoffs this year, but they put themselves in a position for 2018 to do whatever they want.

Edited August 13, 2017 by BuffaloWings

[Crusher]

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that so many folks around here support these moves. I just don't understand it. I wonder if Buffalo sports fans and residents are so beaten down that they just assume that good players don't want to be in Buffalo, so it's just a matter of time before the good ones leave and "don't let the door hit you on the way out" if you even hint at being unhappy.

 

Or maybe Bills fans have simply forgotten what it's like to be competitive on Sundays and have focused all of their energies and fantasies on the offseason and NFL Draft, so that they'd rather gear up for a super exciting draft weekend than have to watch their team fall short year after year during the actual season.

 

Mark my words: the Bills are going to spend years - YEARS - trying to acquire another talent the likes of Sammy. To trade away an explosive, game-altering, defense-intimidating player in the prime of his career, after all that has been invested in marketing him and healing him and integrating him - it's just lunacy to me.

 

And wait until you see all of the 4-yard rollout passes to fullbacks and plodding lead-handed receivers this season - folks are gonna start to turn on this trade, I firmly believe. This is going to be a boring, slow, easily-defended offense designed to limit mistakes.

 

This is Jauron Ball 2.0. They're building a roster full of saints and soldiers, that's great, but where is the TALENT?

 

 

One of the least-efficient WRs in the league.

Totally agree.

 

I am extremely disappointed to see so many posters approving of this move...it makes me sick knowing what type of talent we lost and for what? A lousy second rounder and a sixth round DB who's small, slow, and hasn't been decent or healthy since 2014? This is what the Bills deemed appropriate value for Sammy f'n Watkins?!

 

A foolish move at best by the new regime. They have already made me a skeptic

[NoSaint]

One takeaway on this is I think a lot of fans are sorely mistaken on the type of player boldin actually is at this point in his career.

 

lumping him with taylor and kw as a win now... he's much more Tolbert than Kyle or Tyrod as far as impact.

[JohnC]

The moves don't make sense in conjunction with the other moves the team has made. Why bring in Boldin? Why have Taylor on the roster? They've gotta be worse than the Jets or 9ers to get their guy at QB. Don't sell 24 year old players and say you're building for the future. He should've been part of the future. It's hard to sell another rebuild when they've gone 17 years without making the playoffs. McDermott's different Beane is different, just like Gailey, Nix, Marrone, Jauron, Rex were different when they were hired.

 

If Tyrod is cut tomorrow I would agree with the moves more. If they're trading out of drafting a QB in the draft then trading their most talented player I want the team to get their guy. Not the guy whose leftover after the 9ers and Jets pick. These moves are clearly about getting a QB. Don't try to hide it with Taylor. I can't not root for the Bills and will hope they win on Sundays, yet after the season winning those 6 or so games will be a setback for the franchise.

Even without the deals this team is a six or seven win team. After the trades it would be foolish to argue that the Bills are better, but they are not appreciably worse off. The difference is that they have added picks to their stock.

 

This year's team desperately lacks depth. In a crash sport where injuries are inevitable that is a cause for concern almost as much as our qb situation. The accumulation of picks should put this team in a better position to get a franchise qb and also bolster the depth on the roster.

 

I understand the frustration that many people have over the recent deals, especially in light of our extended playoff drought. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Watkins deal at least (for me) there is a logic to it when viewed from a bigger picture perspective.

 

I consider Watkins to be a sterling talent whose value is diminished because of the caliber of qb he is playing with. Until that qb issue is addressed little else matters. These deals put this franchise in a better position to address the qb position and also add an infusion of more talent to this thin roster.

[Kirby Jackson]

One takeaway on this is I think a lot of fans are sorely mistaken on the type of player boldin actually is at this point in his career.

 

lumping him with taylor and kw as a win now... he's much more Tolbert than Kyle or Tyrod as far as impact.

I don't think that it's his production as much as "why sign a 38 year-old receiver in the middle of a rebuild?" Those reps would be better with a young guy. In addition, he will still provide some production which is counter-intuitive to tanking. If you thought that you were a playoff team you don't make those moves. The Bills are going part tank, part compete and are going to win 6 games and be in no man's land.

[/dev/null]

i'm ambivalent on both

 

Straight up 2017 this trade is a net loss. But we've known, might not wanted to admit it, but deep down we all know 2017 will (at best) be another one of those mediocre years

 

2018 and beyond it evens out.

Watkins wasn't coming back in 2018. The new regime wasn't sold on him, declined his fifth year option, and I suspect Sammy was ready to test the market for greener pastures and greener dollars

Darby, I'm more concerned about losing him than Watkins. I would have liked to locked him up long term

 

In the end we downgraded a pair of 2017 starters but picked up a pair of high draft picks for 2018. The Rams will likely have a high draft pick and let's face it so will we. So between our first (top 10), KC's first, and our 2nd and the Rams 2nd, the Bills will have four picks in the top 40. That's four potential starters or should there be a Franchise QB in the 2018 draft we will have lots of ammo to move up

[sjjr]

Like the moves...got rid of two players that haven't produced and didn't fit with the new coaching staff/scheme. Both players will fit the staff/scheme.

 

This team will win running the ball, playing solid defense and winning the turnover battle. Sammy Watkins was never a key ingredient in that formula and certainly not Darby. Matthews and Gaines are upgrades.

 

Plus got more picks...6 picks in the top 100 for 2018. Those will be the building blocks for the future.

[26CornerBlitz]

Like the moves...got rid of two players that haven't produced and didn't fit with the new coaching staff/scheme. Both players will fit the staff/scheme.

 

This team will win running the ball, playing solid defense and winning the turnover battle. Sammy Watkins was never a key ingredient in that formula and certainly not Darby. Matthews and Gaines are upgrades.

 

Plus got more picks...6 picks in the top 100 for 2018. Those will be the building blocks for the future.

 

You can like the trade, but the part I bolded just is not true.

The trade was primarily about the acquisition of 2018 draft capital to give the Bills flexibility to wheel and deal to get players they'll covet.

[Kirby Jackson]

Like the moves...got rid of two players that haven't produced and didn't fit with the new coaching staff/scheme. Both players will fit the staff/scheme.

 

This team will win running the ball, playing solid defense and winning the turnover battle. Sammy Watkins was never a key ingredient in that formula and certainly not Darby. Matthews and Gaines are upgrades.

 

Plus got more picks...6 picks in the top 100 for 2018. Those will be the building blocks for the future.

You think running the ball will be easier without the threat of Watkins over the top??? Also, Matthews and Gaines aren't upgrades (even Beane virtually said so much). He ducked the question on it. No one things that the Bills returned better players. The picks were the appealing part.

[Coach Tuesday]

Even without the deals this team is a six or seven win team. After the trades it would be foolish to argue that the Bills are better, but they are not appreciably worse off. The difference is that they have added picks to their stock.

 

This year's team desperately lacks depth. In a crash sport where injuries are inevitable that is a cause for concern almost as much as our qb situation. The accumulation of picks should put this team in a better position to get a franchise qb and also bolster the depth on the roster.

 

I understand the frustration that many people have over the recent deals, especially in light of our extended playoff drought. Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Watkins deal at least (for me) there is a logic to it when viewed from a bigger picture perspective.

 

I consider Watkins to be a sterling talent whose value is diminished because of the caliber of qb he is playing with. Until that qb issue is addressed little else matters. These deals put this franchise in a better position to address the qb position and also add an infusion of more talent to this thin roster.

They already had two first round picks next year with which to address the QB position. Now they'll finally draft a QB and he'll be saddled with a bunch of joker receivers.

[sjjr]

 

You can like the trade, but the part I bolded just is not true.

The trade was primarily about the acquisition of 2018 draft capital to give the Bills flexibility to wheel and deal to get players they'll covet.

Looking at career stats between Matthews and Watkins is pretty interesting...especially looking at games played, catches and TD. He also seems to be a great teammate and blocker in the run game. Wentz was pretty upset by the trade.

 

Gaines and Darby have similar career stats. Gaines was much more productive in college and always has shown the ability to be around the ball. That fits better.

 

Very subjective until games are played but seems like upgrades with these new coaching staff and scheme.

[TheFunPolice]

I like the trades...

 

What does losing Watkins truly cost us, especially with the addition of Matthews?

 

We don't pass a lot and Watkins is always hurt. Sure there is a bit of a drop off but Matthews has been more productive than Watkins so far. Also Watkins was not coming back next year. Smart move to get something for him.

 

I liked Darby well enough but he got us the WR. So I'm fine with it.

 

Love the 2 picks in each if the 1st 3 rounds. Lots of ammo to trade up and not affect future drafts.

[sjjr]

You think running the ball will be easier without the threat of Watkins over the top??? Also, Matthews and Gaines aren't upgrades (even Beane virtually said so much). He ducked the question on it. No one things that the Bills returned better players. The picks were the appealing part.

I think they expect Clay be a threat down the seam and Zay Jones to win 1 on 1 matchups when he gets them. Have to hope one of the fast guys steps up and becomes another deep threat now.

[Chilly]

Looking at career stats between Matthews and Watkins is pretty interesting...especially looking at games played, catches and TD. He also seems to be a great teammate and blocker in the run game. Wentz was pretty upset by the trade.

 

Gaines and Darby have similar career stats. Gaines was much more productive in college and always has shown the ability to be around the ball. That fits better.

 

Very subjective until games are played but seems like upgrades with these new coaching staff and scheme.

Gaines had the fifth worst season of the past decade last year. He was the Rams #4 CB this year.

 

J Matt wasn't going to beat out Agholor and was going to be the eagles #4 this season according to SiriusXM. He has severely overinflated numbers from the Chip scheme and has only had success in the slot.

 

This isn't even close to the same talent level.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Chilly