johnwalter Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 because buying 2 lottery tickets doubles your chance of hitting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 because buying 2 lottery tickets doubles your chance of hitting? One of the more sensible responses in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Â One whole half of professional football in a game the team sort of packed it in. Yeah, he's a bust. Â Unless we have a QB that has a season QBR of 158.3, we go 16-0 and win each game with the QB throwing for 350 yds, 4 TDs, no picks and runs for another TD, Bills fans are fast to cut a QB loose. Especially since Fitz, with the exception of Orton. Bills fans gave Fitz more time than they gave Manuel, Taylor, or Jones. I wonder why. Maybe that melanin condition the three have is the underlying factor. Obviously you didnt read my the comment that drew my response. And if you did you still didnt comprehend my post judging by a you think I was talking about Cardale and be you think I called him a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) What information is that? Enlighten me. That he was benched by Urban Meyer (aka, the Quarterback Wisperer), when he was in college? Â Â Being QB for a national championship team, maybe? Â Yes there's info that points towards him not succeeding. There's also info that indicates the opposite. Â We just don't know either way. So we should draft someone if there's a guy we like and if Cardale shows progress, keep him too. Edited April 17, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Tyrod being a decent starting QB and locked in for the next couple of seasons affords the Bills a semi-luxery of having some time to develop a QB behind a decent starter. I don't think there is a QB worth taking at pick 10 but I wouldn't mind them taking a flyer on Chad Kelly in the late rounds. The Team can hold 2 project QB's on the roster and try and hit lightening in a bottle on one of them and see who after a couple of years is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 He won a national championship. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Why do you draft Derek Carr when you have EJ Manuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Why do you draft Derek Carr when you have EJ Manuel? Â Yes, very important to see what EJ can do with more weapons. This was actually the consensus in Buffalo before the 2014 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 i'm of the group that the idea of jones as the only developmental guy makes me uneasy. i'm not claiming to know the first thing about qb developement, but i'm going to be pretty surprised if cj turns into a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Â So, you know all these guys well enough to refer to them by their first names? Â Â Â No, I don't think they should start working on his HOF bust just yet. Ummm. That's their first name isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Â Â Being QB for a national championship team, maybe? Â Yes there's info that points towards him not succeeding. There's also info that indicates the opposite. Â We just don't know either way. So we should draft someone if there's a guy we like and if Cardale shows progress, keep him too. Â NCAA championship QBs run the option mostly for the last 40 years, they rarely drop back and wait in the pocket as basically 98% of successful NFL QBs do as a rule... Â How many times before this sinks in about QBs in college running the option or wishbone or any tinker-toy scheme.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Cardale progressed so slowly as opposed to his recent contemporaries that it almost pulls up a red flag about his status as a future QB in the NFL. So much so that I look at the bills as really only having 1 viable QB on the roster and that guy has a weak contract with limited support from management. Curious where you read this. Give a guy a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Ummm. That's their first name isn't it?no, actually. Who is Zak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 In case Cardale isn't good enough.Most definitely, the Bills need to keep drinking from that well until our thirsts are sated. Keep drafting QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Why are we even discussing Jones. He's most likely going to be cut by Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Â One whole half of professional football in a game the team sort of packed it in. Yeah, he's a bust. Â Unless we have a QB that has a season QBR of 158.3, we go 16-0 and win each game with the QB throwing for 350 yds, 4 TDs, no picks and runs for another TD, Bills fans are fast to cut a QB loose. Especially since Fitz, with the exception of Orton. Bills fans gave Fitz more time than they gave Manuel, Taylor, or Jones. I wonder why. Maybe that melanin condition the three have is the underlying factor. Â The Bills just gave EJ Manuel 4 years to develop into something... How many more years would you like to give him? Taylor and Jones are still on the roster last I looked, so your "melanin" argument doesn't hold water... Also, if I am not mistaken, two of the four QB's talked about as possible draft options (Watson and Kizer) share that same "melanin" condition you spoke of... Â As I recall Manuel lost his job to Orton when our ex-coach (Marrone) basically demanded that Whaley go out and get him somebody "competent" to play the position... Apparently that wasn't EJ... And if the Bills do go out and draft one of these kids in the 1st round it will be further confirmation that Cardale Jones is not viewed by management as a viable option at QB either... Having a strong arm is no indicator of future success. It's what's inside the QB's head that matters, his dedication to becoming one of the best, and other intangibles... OH, BTW did you know that QB's aren't the only 1st round draft picks that BUST??? Go back to 2013 and see how many other players are still starting for their respective teams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overseas Bills Fan Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Â The Bills just gave EJ Manuel 4 years to develop into something... How many more years would you like to give him? Taylor and Jones are still on the roster last I looked, so your "melanin" argument doesn't hold water... Also, if I am not mistaken, two of the four QB's talked about as possible draft options (Watson and Kizer) share that same "melanin" condition you spoke of... Â As I recall Manuel lost his job to Orton when our ex-coach (Marrone) basically demanded that Whaley go out and get him somebody "competent" to play the position... Apparently that wasn't EJ... And if the Bills do go out and draft one of these kids in the 1st round it will be further confirmation that Cardale Jones is not viewed by management as a viable option at QB either... Having a strong arm is no indicator of future success. It's what's inside the QB's head that matters, his dedication to becoming one of the best, and other intangibles... OH, BTW did you know that QB's aren't the only 1st round draft picks that BUST??? Go back to 2013 and see how many other players are still starting for their respective teams... Â Sarcasm is lost on you. Don't worry. If another "melanin conditioned" QB is brought in and isn't Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, or Jim Kelly after his first snap, other Bills fans here will demand them be cut instantly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Â Sarcasm is lost on you. Don't worry. If another "melanin conditioned" QB is brought in and isn't Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, or Jim Kelly after his first snap, other Bills fans here will demand them be cut instantly too. Â Try answering the question - How many more years do you think EJ was entitled to? Four years not enough? Cmon... Stop blaming the fans and blame EJ himself. He is the one who failed. Fans don't care what color the QB is. He just has to win. BTW - Kelly wasn't all that hot his 1st 2 years here either. And that was after his 2 yrs spent in the USFL. But you could see his growth over time. Fans never saw that from EJ. Neither did his 2 ex-HCs... I don't see him unseating Derek Carr anytime soon either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 If Cardale could progress to be a good back up QB that would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 You make a great point. We shouldn't bring in another QB (especially with an early round pick) who's not a demonstrably better prospect than Cardale. Cardale has not had an opportunity yet to show whether or not he can be a starting QB in the NFL. In the quick glimpses we've seen, he's flashed both his enormous potential and his inexperience. He and Trubisky, for example, have started about the same number of college games, with Trubisky going 6-5 against Division 1 opponents. I'm not saying Trubisky will or will not be a better NFL player than Jones, but I wouldn't use our first pick on him to find out. I would much rather see us take a QB in the later rounds and throw him into a competition with Jones and Yates for the backup job. At some point, we need to see if CJ can play. He's got incredible God-given tools and he has succeeded on the biggest stage there is. He at least deserves a shot and he won't get one if we take a QB in the first round. My problem with this is: If Cardale was able to transition to the NFL, he would have already got his shot. Right now he hasn't progressed fast enough to give the Bills a confidence that he will be their future QB. The Bills can't wait and watch but pick another QB and continue the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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