Iraq Vet Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) He is an idiot and blew his chance at millions of dollars. Late 5th at best. Some team will pick earlier.... so ok. We missed... the questions is: missed what? I don't want to spend millions on this mess.... he can compete with Tony Romo and CJ if we even pick him up. Edited January 4, 2017 by Iraq Vet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd take a shot on him in the 4th. It's true he needs to get his head on straight. But he makes some big time throws. I've seen all of his college throws. He has some Favre is his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd have no problem with a 5th. He'd make the minimum, have a tiny signing bonus, and you could cut him with no repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 No earlier than a 5th on the guy Bills thought the same about Dak and lost out. Let's see what supplemental picks they receive for losing FAs. If able to move back up in late 3rd, I'd snag him. My first 3 picks would be Corey Davis @10 if he's there, safety, safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 He sounds like Cutler on the field, and Manziel off of it... that said, I'd take him in the 5th if he's there. Too much upside. Also, what's wrong with "pursuing porn stars on Twitter"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I just get visions of him accepting his award for the punt pass and kick a thon every year Its a shame kids gotta grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 He sounds like Cutler on the field, and Manziel off of it... that said, I'd take him in the 5th if he's there. Too much upside. Also, what's wrong with "pursuing porn stars on Twitter"? I was thinking Cutler as well. Not sure if he's as bad as Manziel off the field, he's set the bar pretty high for off field stupidity, but it is a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Who gives a flying !@#$ if he twitters a porn star? Jimbo was a punk too. Draft the kid and see if he grows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Well if we draft him then he and Duke Williams can commiserate on what it's like to have the same gross porn star shade you on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Sounds like you didn't watch any Ole Miss games this year. The o-line was terrible all season, the defense was a sieve. They made Vandys offense look like a powerhouse and the auburn game was very similar to our second Miami game this year. Kelly kept scoring but the defense couldn't stop squat. I saw enough of Chad Kelly throwing picks when he had time to throw. Edited January 4, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Fwiw on the Kelly front he was on the verge of being replaced when he got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 If his last name was Smith or Jones would anyone on this board care about this kid? He's clearly got massive issues, he doesn't possess half the talent of guys like Manziel or Jamarcus Russell while bringing the off field baggage in spades. Why some people here are sold on him is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) I'm amused by the fascination with Chad Kelly. Beside the Kelly name, he's just another college QB who occasionally flashes some talent. Edited January 4, 2017 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd take a shot at him and see if you could have Jim help mentor him. I see a lot of upside with this guy if he can cool some of the off field antics. Jim Kelly was a hot head too and it actually helped fuel his on-field performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 If his last name was Smith or Jones would anyone on this board care about this kid? He's clearly got massive issues, he doesn't possess half the talent of guys like Manziel or Jamarcus Russell while bringing the off field baggage in spades. Why some people here are sold on him is beyond me. I think that the reality is that people in Buffalo don't follow college football like other areas in the country do. There isn't really a local interest and it isn't a part of the culture. Buffalonians are not as well-versed in the strengths and weaknesses of prospects as people in Georgia (for example) may be. With that being said, we revert back to what we know or what we are comfortable with. We know that Chad is from WNY, was considered a high prospect at one time and is Jim's nephew. People in WNY have made a point to see him. At the same time they couldn't tell you where Mason Rudolph or Luke Falk play without googling it. It's not a knock, it's just a regional thing. If you wanted an opinion on a young NHL defenseman I'd ask someone from Buffalo over someone from Georgia. If I wanted to know about an OT from Tennessee I'd ask someone from a Georgia over someone from Buffalo. Obviously there are tons of exceptions but I think that you get the point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I'd take a shot at him and see if you could have Jim help mentor him. I see a lot of upside with this guy if he can cool some of the off field antics. Jim Kelly was a hot head too and it actually helped fuel his on-field performance. Uncle Jim has been mentoring him for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Fwiw on the Kelly front he was on the verge of being replaced when he got hurt. Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Why ? Shea Patterson The alumni, boosters, etc... were getting antsy. Chad had a bunch of turnovers and Ole Miss had essentially played themselves out of a potential playoff spot (I think that they were last in the SEC West at the time). There was a lot of talk that they were going to turn the page and then he went out for the year so it happened anyways. Edited January 4, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Given the scrutiny that teams place on QBs during draft-time, I am fairly confident that Chad Kelly will go undrafted. While he may have plus physical talent, poor decision making on the field will cause his stock to fall. When the multiple off-field issues are taken into account, no team in the NFL (Bills included) will have the intestinal fortitude to invest a draft pick on him. If the Russ, the Pegulas, Whaley -- or whomever -- really think adding him because of his surname will create some positive chatter among the fan-base, they should wait until AFTER the draft to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I don't care. I'll take him in the third if he's available. If he ends up going to jail after a bar fight on Chippewa so be it. You and me both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I think that the reality is that people in Buffalo don't follow college football like other areas in the country do. There isn't really a local interest and it isn't a part of the culture. Buffalonians are not as well-versed in the strengths and weaknesses of prospects as people in Georgia (for example) may be. With that being said, we revert back to what we know or what we are comfortable with. We know that Chad is from WNY, was considered a high prospect at one time and is Jim's nephew. People in WNY have made a point to see him. At the same time they couldn't tell you where Mason Rudolph or Luke Falk play without googling it. It's not a knock, it's just a regional thing. If you wanted an opinion on a young NHL defenseman I'd ask someone from Buffalo over someone from Georgia. If I wanted to know about an OT from Tennessee I'd ask someone from a Georgia over someone from Buffalo. Obviously there are tons of exceptions but I think that you get the point... Fair point. As someone who basically grew up in the shadow of the Horseshoe and spends ~14 hours every Saturday consuming college football, it's difficult to remember the regionality of that level of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Given the scrutiny that teams place on QBs during draft-time, I am fairly confident that Chad Kelly will go undrafted. While he may have plus physical talent, poor decision making on the field will cause his stock to fall. When the multiple off-field issues are taken into account, no team in the NFL (Bills included) will have the intestinal fortitude to invest a draft pick on him. If the Russ, the Pegulas, Whaley -- or whomever -- really think adding him because of his surname will create some positive chatter among the fan-base, they should wait until AFTER the draft to do so. I don't believe there is anyway he goes un-drafted. That is truly just my opinion. He might go 5th-7th, but I just can't believe nobody would take a shot on that arm and the conference he played in and the limitations he was faced with his final year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I don't believe there is anyway he goes un-drafted. That is truly just my opinion. He might go 5th-7th, but I just can't believe nobody would take a shot on that arm and the conference he played in and the limitations he was faced with his final year. My guess is that AT LEAST half of the teams in the league have him off their board. There are character flags and injury flags. Those are not good for a prospect. In addition, he regressed as a senior (at least some) and his team was 4-5 when he got hurt. He makes a lot of plays and a lot of poor decisions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went undrafted. I would be surprised if he wasn't in someone's camp however. Matt Miller has him as the last guy drafted in his latest mock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 This kid is Ryan Leaf 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Assuming he is Ryan Leaf, the difference is that he won't cost millions and waste the 2nd overall pick. In a draft without any great QB's, take a shot at a guy with upside and bide your time for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Sure ok. You know they also said the same thing about Manzeil and Leaf. But hey draft him and give him millions and what what happens Except Leaf was the 2nd overall pick, Johnny football was 22, and Kelly would likely be a 4th or lower. So it's not really comparable at all is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 My guess is that AT LEAST half of the teams in the league have him off their board. There are character flags and injury flags. Those are not good for a prospect. In addition, he regressed as a senior (at least some) and his team was 4-5 when he got hurt. He makes a lot of plays and a lot of poor decisions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went undrafted. I would be surprised if he wasn't in someone's camp however. Matt Miller has him as the last guy drafted in his latest mock. Without knowing 1 percent as much as you, this is pretty much how I foresee it shaking down. I could see him as a 7 because it's so low risk and there may be a team that doesn't want to deal with a UDFA bidding process for him. It's probably wise to look at teams with multiple sevenths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 My guess is that AT LEAST half of the teams in the league have him off their board. There are character flags and injury flags. Those are not good for a prospect. In addition, he regressed as a senior (at least some) and his team was 4-5 when he got hurt. He makes a lot of plays and a lot of poor decisions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went undrafted. I would be surprised if he wasn't in someone's camp however. Matt Miller has him as the last guy drafted in his latest mock. KJ, out of curiosity, would you take him, and if so, when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) KJ, out of curiosity, would you take him, and if so, when? Um, I don't think that I would. I wouldn't hate him late either. I know that is a little contradictory. I probably wouldn't draft him but wouldn't be irate if a 7th round pick was used on him. If I were a team like Cleveland with a ton of picks and nothing to lose it may be worth the shot. For me it has a little bit of a Tebow feeling if he came to Buffalo. People would be screaming for him despite being a late round pick or an undrafted rookie. You saw people clamoring for Cardale to play ahead of Taylor despite the fact that he is nowhere near the player Tyrod is now. Imagine if you replaced that with Jim Kelly's nephew? Every incomplete pass people would be yelling for Chad Kelly!! He would be treated as the Messiah when the odds against him, especially early, are long. The last thing that I think this team needs is more headaches. I think that he is a borderline draftable player and makes less sense for Buffalo than anywhere else. He makes a lot of plays and a lot of mistakes. He definitely has the arm and athletic ability to play QB in the NFL. His decision making on the field has poor and extremely poor off the field. In addition, he is coming off an ACL injury that may effect some of the athleticism that is crucial to his game. Edited January 4, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Um, I don't think that I would. I wouldn't hate him late either. I know that is a little contradictory. I probably wouldn't draft him but wouldn't be irate if a 7th round pick was used on him. If I were a team like Cleveland with a ton of picks and nothing to lose it may be worth the shot. For me it has a little bit of a Tebow feeling if he came to Buffalo. People would be screaming for him despite being a late round pick or an undrafted rookie. You saw people clamoring for Cardale to play ahead of Taylor despite the fact that he is nowhere near the player Tyrod is now. Imagine if you replaced that with Jim Kelly's nephew? Every incomplete pass people would be yelling for Chad Kelly!! He would be treated as the Messiah when the odds against him, especially early, are long. The last thing that I think this team needs is more headaches. I think that he is a borderline draftable player and makes less sense for Buffalo than anywhere else. He makes a lot of plays and a lot of mistakes. He definitely has the arm and athletic ability to play QB in the NFL. His decision making on the field has poor and extremely poor off the field. In addition, he is coming off an ACL injury that may effect some of the athleticism that is crucial to his game. Very well put. I especially agree with the Browns perspective. I believe in everything you said. That aside, and regardless of his relation to Jim Kelly, I just think one of these days one of these iffy guys or late round picks is going to pay off and we badly need a payoff...and luck. I mean, jeepers, it is still hard to believe that a few years ago I (and others) thought Russell Wilson was solid 3rd round value and the Bills traded up when he was available, to get TJ Graham. I mean really, Kirby, someone at One Bills Drive looked at the board, saw those two available and decided to move up to get one. This league is starting to get littered with really pretty good QBs drafted after the first round. Edited January 4, 2017 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Will Gruden get him for the QB special? Or did he play his way out of that? I'm just curious. That would be good TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) Very well put. I especially agree with the Browns perspective. I believe in everything you said. That aside, and regardless of his relation to Jim Kelly, I just think one of these days one of these iffy guys or late round picks is going to pay off and we badly need a payoff...and luck. I mean, jeepers, it is still hard to believe that a few years ago I (and others) thought Russell Wilson was solid 3rd round value and the Bills traded up when he was available, to get TJ Graham. I mean really, Kirby, someone at One Bills Drive looked at the board, saw those two available and decided to move up to get one. This is league is starting to get littered with really pretty good QBs drafted after the first round. Yeah, I don't disagree. I actually believe Kelly's connection to the organization is a negative and not a positive. If he were a safer prospect I would probably feel the opposite. These mid round guys that have had success in recent years (RW, Dak, Cousins) have something in common. They played a LOT of football in college and they were good leaders. I think that some of their physical shortcomings got picked apart a little bit and that's why they were in the middle rounds. Someone like Josh Dobbs may fit that mold but is a longshot. He just has some of those intangibles that seem to be translating. Edited January 4, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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