Kirby Jackson Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Can the Bills potentially keep Goodwin and Harvin? Should they? If they can keep those 2 for $5M or $6M a year combined (have no idea if that is even reasonable) and draft a guy early they will be fine. Woods is a guy that I have been hard on but he has had a nice year. He plays his @ss off!! If the WR group next year was something like: Sammy, Corey Davis, Harvin, Goodwin and Hunter it would be a big step up IMO. Edited November 17, 2016 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I still find it hard to pay any WRs solid money in the type of offense the Bills run. If they switch to a modern NFL offense I am all for it, but right now I cannot see tieing that money into a No2 WR with the Offensive philosophy that Rex Runs consider too that we have basically invested that money already in Clay at the TE position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Can the Bills potentially keep Goodwin and Harvin? Should they? If they can keep those 2 for $5M or $6M a year combined (have no idea if that is even reasonable) and draft a guy early they will be fine. Woods is a guy that I have been hard on but he has had a nice year. He plays his @ss off!! If the WR group next year was something like: Sammy, Corey Davis, Harvin, Goodwin and Hunter it would be a big step up IMO. Even then you have 3 guys who have never proved able to stay healthy. They need to move away from Goodwin and Harvin and find more dependable players that will compliment Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I am curious-- what would you guys expect from a #2 WR, both in terms of production and salary? hogan is on pace for about 700 yards and making 5 mil per i think. woods is having a career year this year so far. this is where some foresight could have been had and we could get similary production with hogan and maybe have traded woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Even then you have 3 guys who have never proved able to stay healthy. They need to move away from Goodwin and Harvin and find more dependable players that will compliment Watkins. I don't disagree but a lot of it comes down to cost. Are they better off with Goodwin & Harvin at $6M or Kenny Britt at the same price? One of my biggest issues with the receiver position on this team is that it is so thin. It is like when we trotted Donald Jones and David Nelson out there. If Goodwin and Harvin are your #3 & #4 receivers (in no particular order) you are pretty good. In addition they have nice complementary skill sets. You would have Watkins as a complete receiver, Davis as a big pretty complete receiver, Goodwin and Harvin as the deep threats and Hunter as a red zone target. That seems to fit better to me than adding another big bodied guy in Britt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Can the Bills potentially keep Goodwin and Harvin? Should they? If they can keep those 2 for $5M or $6M a year combined (have no idea if that is even reasonable) and draft a guy early they will be fine. Woods is a guy that I have been hard on but he has had a nice year. He plays his @ss off!! If the WR group next year was something like: Sammy, Corey Davis, Harvin, Goodwin and Hunter it would be a big step up IMO. I would like to see the bills move on from Goodwin and Harvin.....I actually like Harvin as a limited rental guy for the rest of this year but this core REALLY needs an upgrade to go with Sammy Would also like to keep Hunter.....the guy is a TD machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Can the Bills potentially keep Goodwin and Harvin? Should they? If they can keep those 2 for $5M or $6M a year combined (have no idea if that is even reasonable) and draft a guy early they will be fine. Woods is a guy that I have been hard on but he has had a nice year. He plays his @ss off!! If the WR group next year was something like: Sammy, Corey Davis, Harvin, Goodwin and Hunter it would be a big step up IMO. I would focus my intentions on keeping Hunter on a prove-it deal--something like $2M for one year. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if the team heads into the offseason with Watkins, Hunter, Powell, Listenbee, and Easley as their top 5. Add a first-round pick like Davis to the equation and you have the makings for a solid corps IMO. They could always bring back a guy like Salas too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I would focus my intentions on keeping Hunter on a prove-it deal--something like $2M for one year. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if the team heads into the offseason with Watkins, Hunter, Powell, Listenbee, and Easley as their top 5. Add a first-round pick like Davis to the equation and you have the makings for a solid corps IMO. They could always bring back a guy like Salas too. if we go into the year with those 5 its a step back from even this year. you would HAVE to add someone early in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I think that is a bit high. Think that is absolute top end of his market. Think though going to be closer to 7m a yr AVG. Obviously depends what other WRs hit the market as well. Example I think Floyd will have a better market than Woods The Austin and Hurns deals made him a ton more expensive than i thought. if we go into the year with those 5 its a step back from even this year. you would HAVE to add someone early in the draft. I'd like to draft at least... SOMEONE. I know listenbee is like a free pick for next year since he didn't even put pads on this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I would focus my intentions on keeping Hunter on a prove-it deal--something like $2M for one year. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if the team heads into the offseason with Watkins, Hunter, Powell, Listenbee, and Easley as their top 5. Add a first-round pick like Davis to the equation and you have the makings for a solid corps IMO. They could always bring back a guy like Salas too. This seems a little ambitious. Hunter comes across to me as a wasted upside, unproductive type of guy, Powell is a rather unskilled ST type of guy, Listenbee has never played before, and I personally feel that Easley will not play again after that last injury. Drafting someone in the 1St 2 roubds is imperative, but so is bringing in a mid range vet who can share the #2 with the draft pick, or be an effective #2 himself should injuries push him to start. But, I am assuming that #1 we keep Tyrod, and attribute any holes in his stats to weakness at the WR position, and resolve to strengthen the team there to improve the ROI in Tyrod, and #2 OC Lynn has a slightly different playbook than Roman does, and can utilize WRs a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'd like to draft at least... SOMEONE. I know listenbee is like a free pick for next year since he didn't even put pads on this year. listenbee is also a 6th round project player. in that depth chart: Hopefully Sammy 2017 better than 2016 Hunter isnt as good as woods Listenbee probably isnt as good as goodwin and then you are plugging in guys like powell/salas/easley with a single injury to sammy you are already behind what we called desperate times this season if you dont add a guy that can be a reliable nfl starter out of the gate in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I would focus my intentions on keeping Hunter on a prove-it deal--something like $2M for one year. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if the team heads into the offseason with Watkins, Hunter, Powell, Listenbee, and Easley as their top 5. Add a first-round pick like Davis to the equation and you have the makings for a solid corps IMO. They could always bring back a guy like Salas too. Hunter over woods? I dunno - Woods and watkins are a nice pair. I'd like to see us bring in a slot guy - Maybe a victor cruz or Amendola (im assuming they are cap casualties) for cheap. Or draft someone who likes to play out of the slot in the middle rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 In most cases, i feel like these 2nd contracts are too high. But in the case of Woods, he deserves what he'll end up with. Hes done everything thats been asked of him (blocking, playing through injuries, etc) and would have put up bigger numbers elsewhere. Not flashy, but consistently tough and reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 if we go into the year with those 5 its a step back from even this year. you would HAVE to add someone early in the draft. Absolutely; I'm taking for granted that they'll draft someone in the first 2 rounds. This seems a little ambitious. Hunter comes across to me as a wasted upside, unproductive type of guy, Powell is a rather unskilled ST type of guy, Listenbee has never played before, and I personally feel that Easley will not play again after that last injury. Drafting someone in the 1St 2 roubds is imperative, but so is bringing in a mid range vet who can share the #2 with the draft pick, or be an effective #2 himself should injuries push him to start. But, I am assuming that #1 we keep Tyrod, and attribute any holes in his stats to weakness at the WR position, and resolve to strengthen the team there to improve the ROI in Tyrod, and #2 OC Lynn has a slightly different playbook than Roman does, and can utilize WRs a little more. Hunter hasn't been a disappointment here given the role he's played. With only 200 snaps, he's accounted for 3 TDs. If I'm keeping him, it's because he's got ability as a red zone target. Hunter over woods? I dunno - Woods and watkins are a nice pair. I'd like to see us bring in a slot guy - Maybe a victor cruz or Amendola (im assuming they are cap casualties) for cheap. Or draft someone who likes to play out of the slot in the middle rounds. It's a cap contribution issue. The fact that Watkins will command top dollar starting in 2017 with his option year precludes them from spending the $8M-$10M AAV on Woods--too much money for your #2 WR (and like it or not, when Sammy is healthy, Woods is the 2nd option). To me, Hunter is a guy that can be productive in the red zone when called upon, and there's value in that. I'm in favor of drafting a Corey Davis type and re-signing Salas. A depth chart that reads Watkins-Davis-Powell-Salas-Hunter-Listenbee would be absolutely fine IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 9 mil? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 In most cases, i feel like these 2nd contracts are too high. But in the case of Woods, he deserves what he'll end up with. Hes done everything thats been asked of him (blocking, playing through injuries, etc) and would have put up bigger numbers elsewhere. Not flashy, but consistently tough and reliable. That's especially true for guys that were #2 receivers, though you do occasionally see guys like Marvin Jones (and, oddly, Golden Tate before him) live up to the dollar value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 That's especially true for guys that were #2 receivers, though you do occasionally see guys like Marvin Jones (and, oddly, Golden Tate before him) live up to the dollar value. and lets be frank, the cap has gone THROUGH THE ROOF the last 5-10 years, all while shifting a lot of money out of the rookie hands. Of course the 2nd contracts are going to look a bit goofy on the dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I would focus my intentions on keeping Hunter on a prove-it deal--something like $2M for one year. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if the team heads into the offseason with Watkins, Hunter, Powell, Listenbee, and Easley as their top 5. Add a first-round pick like Davis to the equation and you have the makings for a solid corps IMO. They could always bring back a guy like Salas too. That's still one guy too thin IMO. Those guys aren't good. If Watkins and Corey Davis (as an example) are your top 2 I think that your #3 is missing. I used Goodwin & Harvin (cheap) as the next 2. Maybe it's one of them and then Hunter, Powell and Listenbee (or 2 of them). That just feels much better to me. Substitute another inexpensive vet if you will buy if you lose Woods, Harvin, Goodwin and Salas I'm not comfortable replacing them with just Corey Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 When Marvin Jones got $8M/year and Tavon Austin got $10M/year, I figured Woods was probably in that range as well. And that means he's a goner. If this team intends to pay Sammy what he'll want in 2 years time (and I have no reason to suspect that they won't), they can't pay Woods what he'll want now. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Woods is going to hit FA. He is going to want to see if he can get to a team with a passing attack. If he does come back to Buffalo it will be at a premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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