boyst Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Boggling. He was the only player I liked there. Underage af My thoughts exactly.ye. Was going to as thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhDozeBills Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Very interesting news. Seems like another poor move by the Browns who need to build through the draft. A 3rd rounder is a potential day one starter that can be locked up for 4+ years on low rookie salary hit. This year is over for this team, so they essentially trade a 3rd rounder for the rights to sign this guy to a huge contract. Crazy to me. The only positive I see is perhaps it will cost the Pats a Super Bowl this year, but somehow I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 For this year, it looks like a lose-lose. Presumably the Pats figure they have enough LB depth to win, which is probably right, but it's taking a chance on avoiding injuries. Collins will help the Browns go from abysmal to terrible or maybe all the way to pretty bad. Whoopee. Probably not enough to screw up and lose the top draft pick. Long term, it's a disaster for the Browns and a win for the Pats. I'm shocked, shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Contract demands aside, no man should have to fall as freely as Jamie Collins is about to. Like Johnny Utah with no chute. Don't piss off the emperor or or you will be stationed on the ice world aka CLEVELAND. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Also goes to where the Pats Value their players. They are often moving on from Defensive players at the end of their Rookie Contracts or Value contracts. Bills are re-signing these players. Maybe they should realize that as good as a player Dareus is he will NEVER live up to that extension. As good as Mario was he was NEVER going to live up to that deal. I am actually OK with the Hughes re-signing because that deal was pretty good. They move on from Chandler Jones (going to get big money) plug and play a value passrusher. Again maybe just maybe their Defensive coaches don't need top end talent to have a pretty good defense, Yes that also goes with having a top end offense as well None of this is comparable without the Bills having a HoF QB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Very interesting news. Seems like another poor move by the Browns who need to build through the draft. A 3rd rounder is a potential day one starter that can be locked up for 4+ years on low rookie salary hit. This year is over for this team, so they essentially trade a 3rd rounder for the rights to sign this guy to a huge contract. Crazy to me. The only positive I see is perhaps it will cost the Pats a Super Bowl this year, but somehow I doubt it. I assume their intention is to extend him. They have the payroll to frontload this and have him be the face of their Defense for the next several years. Their top 3 cap hits are haden, thomas, and tramon williams at the end of deals. I assume they cut RG3, McCown or both, and draft someone #1 overall. They drafted several WRs so they should have some depth there. I believe they will try to extend Pryor as well. Crowell and Duke aren't a bad pair of backs. They have 5 of the first 65 picks in the draft, including the likely #1 overall pick. 3 other comp picks in rounds 4/5. And a ton of young people under cheap contracts. Next year is fill out the roster with more talent. The year after that, they probably make some FA splashes to try and make the jump. Edited October 31, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Boggling. He was the only player I liked there. Underage af ye. Was going to as thing Freudian slip or autocorrect, that's an interesting mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Even if losing Collins causes the Pats to be scored on a few more points per game it really doesn't matter in the outcome if Brady can just score at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Must've wanted way too much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The timing is odd considering he's what I consider to be their best defensive player and clearly they are making a SB run. They could have gotten a 3rd round comp pick if they waited until FA and let him walk. Only difference is they get one in 2017 now vs 2018. Clears less than half mill off 2016 cap.Odd timing and situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Rumors are he wanted Von Miller money FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) That's pretty crazy. Something must've went down. He was one of their best defenders! U could argue that Brady is their most important defensive piece. So he gets to face us again???? Edited October 31, 2016 by r00tabaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 the pats are a business. free agents and others go to the pats because they have a chance to get a ring. it's that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Contract demands aside, no man should have to fall as freely as Jamie Collins is about to. Like Johnny Utah with no chute.Good simile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Must've wanted way too much money. Yep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The Browns have money and a ton of draft picks and good core pieces. Don't sleep on Cleveland next year! That city is cursed no more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Hopefully Whaley catches on that the trick is acquiring draft picks, not giving them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The Browns have money and a ton of draft picks and good core pieces. Don't sleep on Cleveland next year! That city is cursed no more...no, you see, the Browns were nailed to the cross so the Indians and Cavs could live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Hopefully Whaley catches on that the trick is acquiring draft picks, not giving them up. Seems like Bill still trades them. He just likes to get something in return when he's going to lose a player anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Traded to browns for third round pick those crazy Patriots, only they can get away with this. Schefter said that Collins wanted Von Miller money and knew they weren't going to pay him that much while he was playing only half the snaps yesterday. Don't know how any player would have any loyalty to the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 no, you see, the Browns were nailed to the cross so the Indians and Cavs could live. That was very nice of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 any white LBs available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 They ditched Jones and Collins. Nobody's safe on their defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Somehow I doubt this @rapsheet Talked to Bus Cook, agent for new #Browns LB Jamie Collins: I spoke to him. Hes excited about getting over there. $$$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I can't imagine the meltdown this board would have of Whaley did something like this...but, per some reports he was frequently out of place in the Defense and was asking for a lot of money making negotiations difficult. I wish this team would take this approach sometimes....but NE has the coaching to overcome this type of stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 They ditched Jones and Collins. Nobody's safe on their defense And strong armed Amendola into taking a massive paycut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 They ditched Jones and Collins. Nobody's safe on their defense Both heading into contract years. This should be a good indication that their plans are to lock up Hightower and Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 They ditched Jones and Collins. Nobody's safe on their defense or offense only Tom and Gronk are sacred. I can't imagine the meltdown this board would have of Whaley did something like this...but, per some reports he was frequently out of place in the Defense and was asking for a lot of money making negotiations difficult. I wish this team would take this approach sometimes....but NE has the coaching to overcome this type of stance. and awesome QB and history of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Freudian slip or autocorrect, that's an interesting mistake.autocorrect. I just font give a !@#$ anymore to fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 And strong armed Amendola into taking a massive paycut. Also ditched Welker, Woodhead and some Olinemen I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 no, you see, the Browns were nailed to the cross so the Indians and Cavs could live. They died for your wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Also ditched Welker, Woodhead and some Olinemen I can't remember. Mankins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Both heading into contract years. This should be a good indication that their plans are to lock up Hightower and Butler. I agree resign those two I hope is key. Butler was a steal as an UDFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Also ditched Welker, Woodhead and some Olinemen I can't remember. Moss back in 2010... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Also ditched Welker, Woodhead and some Olinemen I can't remember. Welker left on his own for more $$ in FA (they tried to sighn him. And woodhead moved on and got Paid big time. IMO players are attracted to NE because you can do a 1-2 year prove it deal and go get paid elsewhere. (Some stay as they like winning over a few million more a year.) Moss back in 2010... I think they gave a th and got a 3rd from Minnesota.. was a get out of here you cancer... type move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 And NE continues to show the league you can move on from players they do it all the time Now the Bills should move Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Welker left on his own for more $$ in FA (they tried to sighn him. And woodhead moved on and got Paid big time. IMO players are attracted to NE because you can do a 1-2 year prove it deal and go get paid elsewhere. (Some stay as they like winning over a few million more a year.) I think they gave a th and got a 3rd from Minnesota.. was a get out of here you cancer... type move I dont think that is only relevant to NE. Heck, we've done it with Spikes, Incognito, Rambo, ZBrown, and Alexander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You can do a lot of things when your QB is named Brady. They were 3-1 without him. He's great and all, but the staff/franchise is also quality these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 @evansilva Seems like #Patriots love 6th-round pick LB Elandon Roberts, who likely becomes full-time player now alongside Dont'a Hightower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 @evansilva Seems like #Patriots love 6th-round pick LB Elandon Roberts, who likely becomes full-time player now alongside Dont'a Hightower. **** !@#$ Son of a **** Hope I'm really wrong about this kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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