pbanach Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 It's pretty obvious at this point but especially with Shaq missing time the Bills defense could use another pass-rusher. Former Syracuse Orange standout Dwight Freeney is still available and would be a good fit IMO. What does everyone think about GMDW making a move like this? http://nysportsbiz.com/2016/05/17/3-reasons-buffalo-bills-sign-pass-rush-specialist-dwight-freeney/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overseas Bills Fan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Can he still produce at his age? I'd be open to a one year deal if he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Biermann must be asking for too much money or more then 1 year guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 He basically had 8 sacks in half a season for $900,000 in a 3-4 system. It's a no brainier. C. Bryant for obvious run plays and Freeney for obvious pass situations on a one year deal. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 It's a no brainer IMO. Perfect fit and should come relatively cheap, unless he's holding out for an offer from a better contender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Is now a good time to discuss what Shaq's role in Rex's defense will be? I get the sense that the presumption of him being a pass-rush specialist is setting up a lot of Bills fans for disappointment/misappropriated critique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Is now a good time to discuss what Shaq's role in Rex's defense will be? I get the sense that the presumption of him being a pass-rush specialist is setting up a lot of Bills fans for disappointment/misappropriated critique. Probably not in the Dwight Freeney thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 What about the cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Probably not in the Dwight Freeney thread. If Dwight Freeney--the pass rush specialist--is being thought of as a stop gap until Shaq gets healthy, then it's a perfect time to discuss since--from what I gather--Shaq will be doing nothing at all like what Freeney does/has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 If Dwight Freeney--the pass rush specialist--is being thought of as a stop gap until Shaq gets healthy, then it's a perfect time to discuss since--from what I gather--Shaq will be doing nothing at all like what Freeney does/has. You're probably better off starting a new thread than twisting this one into a tangential point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) You're probably better off starting a new thread than twisting this one into a tangential point. If it's tangents you're so terribly concerned about... Edited May 22, 2016 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) Is now a good time to discuss what Shaq's role in Rex's defense will be? I get the sense that the presumption of him being a pass-rush specialist is setting up a lot of Bills fans for disappointment/misappropriated critique. i think they would play different roles in this D. Freeney is strictly a low-snap, situational pass rusher now. Shaq will play the role that Mario was supposed to play. However, I do think Freeney can help this team with or without Shaq missing some time. On thing I have heard (don't know how accurate) is that freeney and Hughes didn't have the best relationship in Indy. So that may play into whether the Bills consider this player to be a benefit or not. Edited May 22, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 i think they would play different roles in this D. Freeney is strictly a low-snap, situational pass rusher now. Shaq will play the role that Mario was supposed to play. However, I do think Freeney can help this team with or without Shaq missing some time. On thing I have heard (don't know how accurate) is that freeney and Hughes didn't have the best relationship in Indy. So that may play into whether the Bills consider this player to be a benefit or not. I don't know if I'm as confident as you that he has some in the tank. 8 sacks in 11 games last year was impressive, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Sounds like a good idea, but Freeney might not be thinking it's so great, given that he will likely lose playtime to a rookie part way through the season. My guess is he would consider other offers well before this one, so perhaps if he's still available around training camp time, he might consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 The two schools of thought may be simplified with comparing Freeney with Biermann. Pass rusher to edge setting run strong player. Dwight has one more year in him for sure, he said so !The other guy is probably looking for a couple year contract. just guessing, though. So do the Bills want to patch a hole of sorts, or invest in a longer term quiet lunchpail fellow ? I would like to reiterate some folks here sold me on Biermann as a Bill before the draft. I have not changed my mind on that. PS I have to think that the Hughes Freeney thing would be a non issue at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 On thing I have heard (don't know how accurate) is that freeney and Hughes didn't have the best relationship in Indy. So that may play into whether the Bills consider this player to be a benefit or not. This is the kind of inside info that makes this forum great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 So for those who clicked on this thread to discover the "4 reasons The Bills should try and sign Dwight Freeney" and were disappointed that they weren't listed... here they are: Immediate Production Affordable Cost Veteran Leadership Depth Dwight Freeney played Kallage Football at Syracuse University So there ya have it, in a nutshell. "The 4 reasons The Bills should try and sign Dwight Freeney". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I think Freeney makes a lot of sense. We're not looking for a guy for the base defense snaps, Manny can cover those 30-40% of snaps easily. Where Freeney makes an impact is in sub packages. Manny can't get after the QB, the rest of the roster options haven't got any pass rush production to speak of in the NFL. Even if it's only a 4-5 week rental in terms of impact, it's worth it. After Shaq comes back, Freeney can still rotate in for certain packages and personnel groups for the rest of 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I am a supporter of the Dwight idea as well. Shaq is a complete OLB with both run stopping and pass rushing capabilities. We lose that with him gone, which leaves us with Manny, and Ik as the other edge rushers. Manny can cover, Ik can bull rush, but neither is a decent pass rusher. That's where Dwight can come in and fill the void. Now if he can't get along with Jerry, then I don't know where the coaching staff would go unless they believe an up and coming player on our roster will rise to the challenge. Personally, I'd give him $800k to bring in a guy with a ring, several pro bowls, and attitude, and about an 1/8 of a tank of gas left. A guy like this could make a defense better just by him being there, and I definitely don't see him being a distraction with Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 What about the cap? Bills are now well under the cap after Glenn's extension freed up almost 8mil, and I'm pretty sure someone upthread said that Freeney played for a pretty low contract last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Been banging the gavel for Freeney for a while now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) In 11 games he had 9 tackles and 8 sacks. He's a third down edge pass rusher at this point. From my perspective of things - that is not what Shaq lawson is. Rex wants him to line up across the formation, and rush as well as occasionally drop in coverage. His responsibilities will also include run defense, which freeney doesn't do at this point. He might be helpful in a rotation, but he probably isn't seeing the field more than 20 plays a game. If he plays again - it will probably be for Arizona. Edited May 23, 2016 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 So for those who clicked on this thread to discover the "4 reasons The Bills should try and sign Dwight Freeney" and were disappointed that they weren't listed... here they are: Immediate Production Affordable Cost Veteran Leadership Depth Dwight Freeney played Kallage Football at Syracuse University So there ya have it, in a nutshell. "The 4 reasons The Bills should try and sign Dwight Freeney". dude its a click bait article. Who really is concerned with what it says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 dude its a click bait article. Who really is concerned with what it says? #journalisticintegritybecausenflfanshavearighttoknow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 #journalisticintegritybecausenflfanshavearighttoknow! you are under appreciated at times seemingly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeyBomb Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just to throw this out there too - Freeney and John Blake (our new DL coach) have a connection as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 So...should we kick the tires. Am I reading that right? What page are you all on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just because Lawson makes it back doesn't mean we can't rotate the two. Freeney has forgotten more about football than Lawson knows at this point. We don't know how NFL ready Lawson will be mid-season, what kind of shape, and what impact he can make as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It's pretty obvious at this point but especially with Shaq missing time the Bills defense could use another pass-rusher. Former Syracuse Orange standout Dwight Freeney is still available and would be a good fit IMO. What does everyone think about GMDW making a move like this? http://nysportsbiz.com/2016/05/17/3-reasons-buffalo-bills-sign-pass-rush-specialist-dwight-freeney/ no $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 It's pretty obvious at this point but especially with Shaq missing time the Bills defense could use another pass-rusher. Former Syracuse Orange standout Dwight Freeney is still available and would be a good fit IMO. What does everyone think about GMDW making a move like this? http://nysportsbiz.com/2016/05/17/3-reasons-buffalo-bills-sign-pass-rush-specialist-dwight-freeney/ What makes Freeney a good fit? Rex likes guys that can play multiple positions and have multiple responsibilities. The last thing he looks for is a player that can only play one position or do one thing. I don't disagree that he could be an asset in pass rushing downs but his versatility is lacking for this scheme (like it or not, I know many don't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Can he still produce at his age? I'd be open to a one year deal if he can. He had 8.0 sacks with the Cardinals last year. What makes Freeney a good fit? Rex likes guys that can play multiple positions and have multiple responsibilities. The last thing he looks for is a player that can only play one position or do one thing. I don't disagree that he could be an asset in pass rushing downs but his versatility is lacking for this scheme (like it or not, I know many don't) Rex made guys like Quinton Coples, Jason Babin and Calvin Pace OLBs with the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 If Dwight Freeney--the pass rush specialist--is being thought of as a stop gap until Shaq gets healthy, then it's a perfect time to discuss since--from what I gather--Shaq will be doing nothing at all like what Freeney does/has. Some things never change on TBD I havent missed much. Glad the tom foolery is still running amuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 He had 8.0 sacks with the Cardinals last year. Rex made guys like Quinton Coples, Jason Babin and Calvin Pace OLBs with the Jets. He also played those guys at 3-4 positions. It wasn't uncommon to see Pace at MLB or DT in passing downs. Same with Coples. Can't comment on Babin, but outside of the fact that all 3 players you mention had run stopping ability and 3 down ability. Probably least of which with Babin, but non of them are even remotely comparable to a one trick pony edge rusher. Again, I think we benefit. But Rex doesn't want any one trick pony's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Freeney is nowhere near the perfect fit, they need a Calvin Pace type player which Manny Lawson can do. That position is not go get the qb -Freeney is not a fit. Why is he still available ? Edited May 24, 2016 by CardinalScotts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Freeney is nowhere near the perfect fit, they need a Calvin Pace type player which Manny Lawson can do. That position is not go get the qb -Freeney is not a fit. Why is he still available ? They need another body is what they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Get him on a one year deal with the promise that Rex will put him in a position to nab 1 more 3 year contract after (with or without the Bills being the paying party). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Freeney is nowhere near the perfect fit, they need a Calvin Pace type player which Manny Lawson can do. That position is not go get the qb -Freeney is not a fit. Why is he still available ? This, and that was something he was doing later in the season. Moving around, playing multiple positions. Did a pretty good job in that role actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 This, and that was something he was doing later in the season. Moving around, playing multiple positions. Did a pretty good job in that role actually. Freeny could do whatever we need b/c we don't really need a permanent fixture. The concern is whether our pass rush will be what it needs to be the first half of the season (and to some extent all next season). He can still help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Is now a good time to discuss what Shaq's role in Rex's defense will be? I get the sense that the presumption of him being a pass-rush specialist is setting up a lot of Bills fans for disappointment/misappropriated critique. Shaq's role is to be a three down hybrid OLB/DE. Manny can't do that nor can Freeney. But the two together might be nice. Manny plays OLB in the base 3-4 and Freeney plays DE in the nickel and dime packages. It is never that simple but what other options do they have for DE in any four DL set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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