ALF Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) A good argument for incentive contracts, just wishful thinking, I know Same for guaranteed contracts for players and coaches who don't live up to expectations. Edited January 1, 2016 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 amazing we say schwartz's shortcomings on defense were the inability to stop teams last year and all of this hoorah yet, turn around and excuse Rex for this for only being in year one disgruntled employee coached by a coach who bit off more than he could chew/lied to an organization An escape goat to me is someone on whom blame is placed even though they are actually blameless. Mario is not blameless. If you watch he games you know this, he is part, maybe a big part, of the problem. His effort has been lacking, and this is not a recent phenomenon, it's been going on pretty much all season. The only reason he hasn't been benched is because the HC can't bring himself to drop the hammer. The HC may be problem #1, but Mario isn't far behind. For Rex to have any chance at success, IMO, he has to be made to bring in someone to be the hammer. He also needs this someone to be a stickler for the "mundane" details of day to day business, and also be a strong game manager because Rex isn't these things. You might ask "then why keep Rex?" My answer would be that he isn't going anywhere so let's make the very best of his tenure that we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) i will do further study but have looked at it before. his tackles are less than half of what he had last year; most of the DL has had the same numbers for tackles. Everyone is a fraction of their sacks, pass deflections and tackles for loss. Mario, himself, had 7 tackles for losses last year and 0 this year. 2 things to keep in mind before i delve in to this with stats. 1) mario would disapear for weeks at a time last year and his effort was and always has been questioned. 2) mario playing poorly or not we're still tops in the league in run defense, so something is working to stop them even if mario is not. but my biggest take is if rex is to be this great coach and has any pulse of the team as such, why hasn't he pulled mario?! In the second half of the season Mario had almost a quarter of the statistical tackles (a quarter is being generous) that the rest of the D line had individually, and only a portion of production he had the first half of the year. He did get injured, and did miss a game in the second half of the year, but that reason has taken a backseat to complaints about the scheme. If he was too injured to be productive then he should've been benched, but then again we were already shorthanded, maybe Rex had to make do with what he had. Edited January 1, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 Not trolling, but... Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Mario Williams wasn't just in coverage there, he was LINED UP ON A WIDE RECEIVER! Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Jay Skurski Retweeted James W. Banko Here is a screen shot of Mario lined up on a wide receiver. https://twitter.com/Bankojw/status/681212873952096256 Okay. I stand corrected. It's still not enough of an issue to excuse his utter lack of effort and failure to buy in for the sake of the team this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 How many times was he supposed to drop back? How many times was Mario supposed to actually try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Why don't fans realize he was going to be gone no matter how well he played this year. Bills just have a better excuse now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harveyj001 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Saw an article yesterday, can't find it this morning I was into several drinks last light, but it showed Mario had dropped into coverage 21 times this year, the previous years it averaged around 16 or 17. It wasn't even one more time per game. It was 18 times under Pettine. His complaints are unwarranted and he is just trying to get out of town. I say good riddance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Just a !@#$ing joke. The fact that Rex couldn't figure out how to utilize someone like Mario Williams and we are now getting rid of him..... We are all in on Rex Who would you rather have? Incognito and Glenn (you can replace one player with Bradham in the combo) or Mario Williams on this team next year? Because of the cap situation that is what the front office would have faced if Williams was an all-pro this year. Edited January 1, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Who would you rather have? Incognito and Glenn (you can replace one player with Bradham in the combo) or Mario Williams on this team next year? Because of the cap situation that is what the front office would have faced if Williams was an all-pro this year. I think it's true that Williams would likely have been gone, but if he played lights-out 1) he might have trade value 2) he would have a larger choice of teams and could negotiate a higher salary 3) it's possible that the Bills might have done better, even playoff contention better? here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ This is the part I don't understand, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand he'll be a likely cap casualty, so why not play his best and showcase himself? Edited January 1, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) I think it's true that Williams would likely have been gone, but if he played lights-out 1) he might have trade value 2) he would have a larger choice of teams and could negotiate a higher salary 3) it's possible that the Bills might have done better, even playoff contention better? I concede if he was an all-pro he could have trade value but even in that scenario you are only going to get a mid to low round pick for him because of the 20 million dollar salary. To be honest I don't think any team regardless of his play would give Mario more money. He is currently making quarterback money at the DE position and is what 31 or 32 years old? My point being regardless of how this season played out the Bills were at a crossroad with him and it was going to end ugly either way. Personally, I won't loss any sleep over him leaving. Edited January 1, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Film don't lie; I've seen too many lackadaisical plays from Mario this season to give two schitts about the Bills cutting him loose. Look at how Hughes goes balls out on every play. The Mario F5 ground up in the freezer thread will live in infamy, but it's time to turn the page on that chapter. Rex and Whaley get this offseason to bring in the D players they want/need, and we judge Rex next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Not trolling, but... Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Mario Williams wasn't just in coverage there, he was LINED UP ON A WIDE RECEIVER! Jay Skurski @JaySkurski 27 Dec 2015 Jay Skurski Retweeted James W. Banko Here is a screen shot of Mario lined up on a wide receiver. https://twitter.com/Bankojw/status/681212873952096256 Just pulled that play up, and Dallas got a delay of game on that play. The way Mario was twitching, I want to say he was going to rush anyway. I have no idea why he was lined up there. When they lined up again, the offense showed an identical look, and he lined up closer to the D line and did rush. No one got there in time, and a 22 yard first down was thrown to Williams on 3rd and 19 Edit: A great effort by Dallas' Williams to get the 1st down. Edited January 1, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Okay. I stand corrected. It's still not enough of an issue to excuse his utter lack of effort and failure to buy in for the sake of the team this season. Oh it isn't at all. While I loved the signing of him and how he played the previous few seasons, he has been a big f#&king baby this year. He is not a leader and only cares about himself. Remember Ray Lewis saying he didn't follow the play, rushed the QB and gave up the touchdown - that was the only real effort I saw this season from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Could be this guy to get just as much production. Do you have any pictures of potential coaches that could have gotten more production out of our defensive roster? I've linked one: Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ Three players come to mind when reading these comments: Jerry Hughes, Aaron Williams, and Corey Graham. These three have never been shy about voicing their opinion and all have a certain status on the team that warrants inclusion of their thoughts. For my money, I think it's Jerry Hughes. He lines up opposite Mario, so Mario's lack of effort would also hinder his production. I've also heard him use the term "bell cow" in an earlier interview. If I was a betting man (which I am, haha), I'd put my money on Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) There are some serious leaks within this organization which need to be dealt with. Honestly, it seems to me that there has been a lot more bad information leaked to the national media than accurate stuff. I will give this more creedance because Wawrow is reporting it, but most "insider info" leaked via the national media seems to be speculation reported, and then people "run with it" so to speak...it makes sense that they would cut Mario, we all kind of guessed that...but I wonder if anyone really leaked it to a reporter. Edited January 1, 2016 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Football Outsiders is a joke. I have said it before and others have said it before. A lot of those sites use everyday Joes who know nothing about football to critique plays and judge what happens. They show you glimpses of plays based on speculation and not the whole viewpoint. keying in on any one specific instance can come across any which way. i am not defending mario and i am not even saying he has taken plays off. he has, every player has. it's evident he and others are frustrated. lets hope him being a scapegoat does something, but i would like to go ahead and make sure its known we will never win with Rex. we'll have cute pressers, we'll have fun games, we'll win some good games but we won't win the super bowl. as a coach he will be out classed and out coached. he's a baffoon. Why is FO a joke? What problem, *specifically*, do you have with their DVOA method of ranking defenses and production? Their method is easily accessible on their site. (Btw, I don't take seriously criticism that amounts to hand waving claims that stat analysis is bs/useless. It's like saying Bill James's work is a joke because he didn't play the game and is just a nerd.) I also don't think that the gifs referred to were from FO, btw, but I could be wrong ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 here is some damming evidence against Mario, ouch! "One other teammate, who wished to remain anonymous, ramped it up a notch in saying Williams checked out a long time ago, back to not wanting to take part in the conditioning test before training camp. “It’s been clear to me that Mario doesn’t care about anybody but himself,” the teammate said. “He followed that up by not giving any effort during the season and complaining about the scheme instead of manning up and saying he played like crap and doesn’t care.” Has Williams checked out? “Totally checked out.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ It's obvious by watching him play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Three players come to mind when reading these comments: Jerry Hughes, Aaron Williams, and Corey Graham. These three have never been shy about voicing their opinion and all have a certain status on the team that warrants inclusion of their thoughts. For my money, I think it's Jerry Hughes. He lines up opposite Mario, so Mario's lack of effort would also hinder his production. I've also heard him use the term "bell cow" in an earlier interview. If I was a betting man (which I am, haha), I'd put my money on Hughes. Would be very interesting if Hughes was one of the guys making comments because him and Mario had become very good friends off the field the last couple years. I follow both guys on twitter and they spend alot of time hanging out in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Manny Lawson? Smartest player on the team, a true vet, and has known Mario since college ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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