ToGoGo Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) A poster in the other WGR thread mentioned that the best way to get your complains heard is to contact their advertisers, rather than WGR directly. Well I think that is a great idea! Here are a couple of their smaller advertisers (the ones more likely to hear your complaints). Feel free to contact them and tell them how you really feel about WGR's coverage. Let them know that you prefer TBD for your Bills football and perhaps they should advertise here instead. Original Pizza Logs http://www.pizzalogs.com/contacts https://twitter.com/OriginPizzaLogs Outlet Liquors http://www.whatsyouroutlet.com/contact.html https://twitter.com/WNYOutletLiquor Belknap Heating and Cooling http://www.belknapheating.com/contact Consumers Beverage http://www.consumersbeverages.com/contact.html https://twitter.com/ConsumersBeer Edited August 25, 2015 by musichunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 These companies typically will have an ad broker. Often companies out source the ad purchasing and don't deal with the networks directly. To put it bluntly, these companies hardly have any say in regards to programming decisions. Unless you have a very good rep and years of ads with a network, they likely can't even promise you when your ad will be played (what time, what show, etc). Most ads are purchased by number of runs each week. I understand the need to want to remove a program you don't like, but the best option (and a very easy one in 2015) is to simply not listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. You'll be surprised. One well-placed complaint can cause an avalanche. Edited August 25, 2015 by musichunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Go get em tiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. Especially at the clear cut #1 station in town at both drive times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Hit them where it hurts guys. And where they least expect it. "The line of least expectation is the line of least resistance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 A poster in the other WGR thread mentioned that the best way to get your complains heard is to contact their advertisers, rather than WGR directly. Well I think that is a great idea! Here are a couple of their smaller advertisers (the ones more likely to hear your complaints). Feel free to contact them and tell them how you really feel about WGR's coverage. Let them know that you prefer TBD for your Bills football and perhaps they should advertise here instead. Original Pizza Logs http://www.pizzalogs.com/contacts https://twitter.com/OriginPizzaLogs Outlet Liquors http://www.whatsyouroutlet.com/contact.html https://twitter.com/WNYOutletLiquor Belknap Heating and Cooling http://www.belknapheating.com/contact Consumers Beverage http://www.consumersbeverages.com/contact.html https://twitter.com/ConsumersBeer So what is there to complain about ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 So what is there to complain about ?? Mike Schoop. He's a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 So what is there to complain about ?? Well...the "Original Pizza Logs" aren't all that original. And I've never been impressed with Consumers Beverage's customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Fight the power! Wait, what are we fighting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 This is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 better yet. don't tune into the station. Too funny when the solution is to tell advertisers to stop advertising. The fact is if people are tuning in advertisers are gonna advertise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The problem is that "hate" for a station/program/personality is not "bad" for them. You're giving them attention which is their goal. If you really want to cause change, the reaction should be indifference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) I'm hearing a lot of this: "You're just letting them know you're listening so you'll just encourage them" and "Just stop listening" If anybody has complained to customer service and gone up the ladder to supervisors and managers, etc. you know that the higher up you go, the more you get what you want. You might think that advertisers will like that people complain about who they're supporting, but if people start judging the advertiser negatively for it, they will threaten to drop out. That's why so many advertisers dropped Tiger Woods for cheating or any other celebrity who said something politically incorrect. You might think that this is the case: Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. But in reality, advertisers don't want anybody having a potentially negative opinion about them. Maybe some don't mind, like those that advertise on Howard Stern, but I assure you most of the advertisers above don't want to deal with people looking down on them for supporting WGR. They didn't sign up for it. That's my logic. So they may talk to WGR directly, or their ad broker, either way they're going to consider it when it comes time to renew. And that is the LAST thing WGR wants. We have more power over the monopoly than we think. If we demand higher quality, then they'll need to give it to us. Second, yes, I personally can stop listening (which I have). BUT, that only makes change on a small scale. We would need people to stop listening on a large scale for any change to be made. Instead what I'm seeing is complaining on a mass scale, but no complaints sent to the people who matter. If all the people in OC's thread would send an email to an advertiser, Schopp would be out the door before the day is out. So forgive me for trying to do something about the sports radio monopoly in Buffalo that so many people have a problem with. Edited August 26, 2015 by musichunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 So forgive me for trying to do something about the sports radio monopoly in Buffalo that so many people have a problem with. Aren't there two other sports radio stations here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm hearing a lot of this: "You're just letting them know you're listening so you'll just encourage them" and "Just stop listening" If anybody has complained to customer service and gone up the ladder to supervisors and managers, etc. you know that the higher up you go, the more you get what you want. You might think that advertisers will like that people complain about who they're supporting, but if people start judging the advertiser negatively for it, they will threaten to drop out. That's why so many advertisers dropped Tiger Woods for cheating or any other celebrity who said something politically incorrect. You might think that this is the case: But in reality, advertisers don't want anybody having a potentially negative opinion about them. Maybe some don't mind, like those that advertise on Howard Stern, but I assure you most of the advertisers above don't want to deal with people looking down on them for supporting WGR. They didn't sign up for it. That's my logic. So they may talk to WGR directly, or their ad broker, either way they're going to consider it when it comes time to renew. And that is the LAST thing WGR wants. We have more power over the monopoly than we think. If we demand higher quality, then they'll need to give it to us. Second, yes, I personally can stop listening (which I have). BUT, that only makes change on a small scale. We would need people to stop listening on a large scale for any change to be made. Instead what I'm seeing is complaining on a mass scale, but no complaints sent to the people who matter. If all the people in OC's thread would send an email to an advertiser, Schopp would be out the door before the day is out. So forgive me for trying to do something about the sports radio monopoly in Buffalo that so many people have a problem with. Honestly, it sounds like you are better off trying to start your own station or promote a different voice/opinion. You're not going to get anywhere contacting local employers, you just won't, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) A poster in the other WGR thread mentioned that the best way to get your complains heard is to contact their advertisers, rather than WGR directly. Well I think that is a great idea! Here are a couple of their smaller advertisers (the ones more likely to hear your complaints). Feel free to contact them and tell them how you really feel about WGR's coverage. Let them know that you prefer TBD for your Bills football and perhaps they should advertise here instead. Original Pizza Logs http://www.pizzalogs.com/contacts https://twitter.com/OriginPizzaLogs Outlet Liquors http://www.whatsyouroutlet.com/contact.html https://twitter.com/WNYOutletLiquor Belknap Heating and Cooling http://www.belknapheating.com/contact Consumers Beverage http://www.consumersbeverages.com/contact.html https://twitter.com/ConsumersBeer Why on earth would any of these local companies pull their advertising from the most listened to sports radio station in Buffalo? Edited August 26, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm hearing a lot of "don't bother trying", instead of "I've tried that and it doesn't work". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) There are always complaints no matter what. So why would a company pull their add from the most highly rated radio station in Buffalo to put it on a message board where the majority people using the web use ad blocking software? I don't see a single ad on this forum and never will. Edited August 26, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) I'm hearing a lot of "don't bother trying", instead of "I've tried that and it doesn't work". because common sense says if there are listeners then there are going to be advertisers these advertisers do not give a rats ass about your opinion of an opinionated talk show, all they care about is if there are people listening WGR has done nothing wrong besides post opinions that you disagree with.. and look further to Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern who rake in advertising $$$ and say things that are off the chart offensive the only thing you or anyone else can do is to stop listening !!! you can not continue to listen you must shut off WGR Edited August 26, 2015 by Snorom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm hearing a lot of "don't bother trying", instead of "I've tried that and it doesn't work". I tried explaining to you that it doesn't work the way you're suggesting. I'm not telling you to quit our dream, I'm just telling you to go about it a different way. If your dream was to be the CEO of GEICO, I would tell you to not bother mailing them your resume everyday. I wouldn't tell you to quit trying, just that particular method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) because common sense says if there are listeners then there are going to be advertisers these advertisers do not give a rats ass about your opinion of an opinionated talk show, all they care about is if there are people listening WGR has done nothing wrong besides post opinions that you disagree with.. and look further to Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern who rake in advertising $$$ and say things that are off the chart offensive the only thing you or anyone else can do is to stop listening !!! The bolded is all you can do really. Ratings/listeners hearing their ads are the only thing that matters. The ironic thing is by the OP posting this thread he is actually doing a service to WGR. Edited August 26, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Yeah, let the advertisers know you're listening. That'll force change. Change of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiragandhi'sthong Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Mike Schoop. He's a tool. His is the one voice that causes me to change the channel. Bulldog alone or with Sal or Matt Coller would be an enormous improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondslider Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Change of what? They'll bring back Chuck Dickerson and also make it the 90s again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 You are angry at WGR for being too mean to EJ. What if the ends up a 3rd string guy who doesn't even dress on gameday? Does this anger go toward Rex, or will Rex have made the decision because WGR bullied him into it? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 This quote from Howard Stern sums it up. The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I don't see a single ad on this forum and never will. Thanks. FYI, although I have managed to reduce costs with the recent server change - It still costs me over $2500 to host this website, paid for by advertisers. In previous years I was paying $4k+ per year. Think about that before you publicly gloat about using resources for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Get William C. Rott on this, stat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Mike Schoop. He's a tool.Bulldog is fine, sal is ok... They really just need to remove one. I wonder if schlock declares all his gambling winnings... Edited August 26, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 If all the people in OC's thread would send an email to an advertiser, Schopp would be out the door before the day is out. Please refrain from co-opting my thread. I don't agree with boycotts, and I never will. My old signature was something along the lines of "You are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mock you mercilessly for it". We shouldn't be looking to kill piss poor free speech. Instead, we should be looking to come back at it with better free speech. Schopp has a God-given, not man-given, right to free speech. Or, if you're not into the whole God thing: man isn't allowed to take away rights, merely because they don't like what others do with them. That's what inalienable means. Boycotts are an attack on free speech. Period. The object of a boycott is to either remove the speech we don't like, or the speaker. That's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I don't live in town, but when my sports radio channel starts going off in strange directions, I change it. For those of you with Sirrius, try their NFL talk. And Bill Polian is on channel 88 every night at 7pm (apparently, heard an ad for it and haven't had the chance to listen yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiezzz Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Station is garbage, has the feel of a bunch of kids talking from their mother's basement. Stopped listening sometime ago. If you don't like it, don't listen. Hopefully they upgrade the station at some point, and get some real personalities in there. Jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I don't live in town, but when my sports radio channel starts going off in strange directions, I change it. For those of you with Sirrius, try their NFL talk. And Bill Polian is on channel 88 every night at 7pm (apparently, heard an ad for it and haven't had the chance to listen yet). The Sirius NFL talk is pretty bad most of the time but you know what? I still listen to it on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I cant stand the morning guys and the afternoon guys are worse and i dont listen every day- but it's a one sports radio station town and Sal is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm hearing a lot of this: "You're just letting them know you're listening so you'll just encourage them" and "Just stop listening" If anybody has complained to customer service and gone up the ladder to supervisors and managers, etc. you know that the higher up you go, the more you get what you want. You might think that advertisers will like that people complain about who they're supporting, but if people start judging the advertiser negatively for it, they will threaten to drop out. That's why so many advertisers dropped Tiger Woods for cheating or any other celebrity who said something politically incorrect. Radio is not a customer service industry. Their only mandate it to keep your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Thanks. FYI, although I have managed to reduce costs with the recent server change - It still costs me over $2500 to host this website, paid for by advertisers. In previous years I was paying $4k+ per year. Think about that before you publicly gloat about using resources for free. Is there a way I could send you a round of pizza logs for your trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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