Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 This was posted when we hired Schwartz as DC. Inspires a lot of confidence: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1& Yeah I remember reading that and getting very intrigued by Schwartz. The more I read about him and listened to him the more impressed I was. FWIW, the guy in the article that he watched film with, Aaron Schatz, founded Football Outsiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesdawg Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'm surprised that Schwartz's name hasn't come up yet in other coaching vacancies, but I'm not going to complain. He had a tough job to do in Detroit and did pretty well in those first three years of guiding that team upwards. The job he's done in Buffalo speaks for itself. If he gets the job, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) At least we've seen he knows how to showcase a star WR. Edited January 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yeah I remember reading that and getting very intrigued by Schwartz. The more I read about him and listened to him the more impressed I was. FWIW, the guy in the article that he watched film with, Aaron Schatz, founded Football Outsiders. Me too. The easiest thing to do may just be to stay in house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Me too. The easiest thing to do may just be to stay in house. Yep. Either that or Daniel Day Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 His OC in Detroit was Scott Linehan. The Lions finished in the top 6 in yards all three of his last three seasons, and was the playcaller and person given the most accolades for the Cowboys offensive resurgence this year. We could do worse than Linehan, who is a free agent. Agreed that this could be his choice. Pretty sure it would be an upgrade offensively but our defense could slip if he's not as fully involved.. then again, the disrespect he might feel if they don't take him might cause him to jump ship too. The Pegulas are in a very unenviable position in their first year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't want him. We need Ben McAdoo, maybe he can make Sammy be a poor mans ODB Sammy won't be a poor man's anything when he gets a coach determined to get him the rock like the Giants were determined to get ODB the rock. As bad as the Bills QB play was Sammy could have reached ODB's numbers if the coaches game planned to get him involved. I guess it wasn't enough for them that just about every win they got, Sammy had a standout game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Sammy won't be a poor man's anything when he gets a coach determined to get him the rock like the Giants were determined to get ODB the rock. As bad as the Bills QB play was Sammy could have reached ODB's numbers if the coaches game planned to get him involved. I guess it wasn't enough for them that just about every win they got, Sammy had a standout game. OK so, I was being Sarcastic about this post. There is another thread that has been going on for like 4 days arguing that ODB is better...I would take Sammy all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 If he wants the job I'm giving it to Bevell. Make Schwartz highest paid DC in league. You want (tho I think it will be tough) to get an O guy. It's just so hard to get good OCs. That's why outside of BB the best coaches are probably O guys. Easier to get a DC. McAdoo sounds intriguing. Similar coaching path as Gruden----which is a huge plus for me in this search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I didn't think I wanted anything to do with Schwartz but maybe my prejudice cones simply from the fact that if I went after the arrogant little tool jimmy harbaugh , I would have decked him . So despite that embarrassment he seems to have an excellent command of the intellectual concepts of football . He proved many of us wrong by sticking to his philosophy of rushing four on most downs and actually was less of a gunslinger which had more positive results than pettine.. The same consitency he had with the titans? I personally have to ask if we have a grass is greener philosophy thinking our leader is outside the organization.. Maybe if he can hire a competent play caller oc with a big name to lure a qb and move Donnie Henderson to dc he might be our best chance to improve on a promising year aside from the eggs laid on Miami Oakland and home against the chiefs . I don't believe he can lure what we need because of the seeming personality weakness that is right or wrong in the public perception .. The pegulas hopefully did exit interviews with the team to know their desires. If they are all honest and start fresh learning from this year and Mostly If he sees Whaley as an ally and truly competent we might have all the best by simply removing the guarded insecure Marrone . I am completely outside any pertinent knowledge aside from watching games and interviews but the players would have their first consitentcy at camp in years if schwartzs ran a tighter ship than Detroit and was more honest and respectful to players that deserve it than Dougie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't want him. We need Ben McAdoo, maybe he can make Sammy be a poor mans ODB Man, I think that you are under valuing how good Watkins is. Yes, ODB had a great season. Watkins had a fine season, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yep. Either that or Daniel Day Lewis. True. I noticed that the Daniel Day Lewis thread seems to have disappeared. Either the mods do not have a sense of humor or, perhaps, they are confederates who do not like Lincoln, apple pie, and America itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Two things strike me from that article, which of course pre-dates his run in Detroit. The first is his ability to be flexible in his defensive gameplan week to week. I saw a lot of that last year. He came to Buffalo to follow Pettine and the exotic blitzes with what proved to be an unfair reputation for being vanilla defensively. He only ever rushes his front 4, he plays the wide 9, it's all cover 2. It was nonsense. The first time all year that I saw Schwartz call a game that was a majority of wide 9 and cover 2 was Cleveland at home. His gameplan had wrinkles every single week. Did he blitz much? No. But was it the front 4 just straight up bull rushing every play? No. There were plans in place for specific opponents. From the first week where the corners intentionally played soft at Chicago and kept Marshall and Jeffrey infront of them to, for eample, the Green Bay game where they were right there on Nelson and Cobb every throw playing tight (the one busted coverage that Nelson dropped excepted off course). It was interesting that some of his most specific plans were against the NFC North he knows so well. One would hope that given a chance to go away look again at the way Gronkowski gashed us in the first New England game he would be able to come up with something more effective for next year. The second is his focus on points. That comes across in that article and did again this year both in interviews and actions. That we were up there in total defense based on yard matters and being good on points flows from it - I think 4th best on points allowed and 1st on 3rd down % will be the stats that most pleased him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 There are a lot of similarities between Schwartz and belichick other than their results with their first coaching gigs. Both played football at academic-focused institution; both majored in economics; both had early experiences under ted marchibroda; both took bad teams to the playoffs in 3 years that subsequently tanked the next year; among others. While he's my #1 choice, I hope he has learned to rein his emotions in and is a little more mature since the last gig. the exit after the bills' win in Detroit makes that last point questionable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 True. I noticed that the Daniel Day Lewis thread seems to have disappeared. Either the mods do not have a sense of humor or, perhaps, they are confederates who do not like Lincoln, apple pie, and America itself. I'm thinking both. That was a good thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'm sure Jim Schwartz's career record as head coach (29-51) has a lot to do with him not getting interviews across the league. I've warmed up to Schwartz but in NFL circles he may just be slotted in there as a top flight DC and nothing else (kinda' like Gregg Williams). SO many of these owners want a new coach with either a winning track record or the up and comer like Chip Kelly. To hire a guy with a losing record just doesn't have a great look...but i think he COULD be a solid head coach here. As always it comes down to who he would hire as OC and of course the usual "get a solid QB" and all coaches look much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I'm sure Jim Schwartz's career record as head coach (29-51) has a lot to do with him not getting interviews across the league. I've warmed up to Schwartz but in NFL circles he may just be slotted in there as a top flight DC and nothing else (kinda' like Gregg Williams). SO many of these owners want a new coach with either a winning track record or the up and comer like Chip Kelly. To hire a guy with a losing record just doesn't have a great look...but i think he COULD be a solid head coach here. As always it comes down to who he would hire as OC and of course the usual "get a solid QB" and all coaches look much better. He had talent and a QB and a very good OC in Scott Linehan. So pretty much more pieces than he's likely to have here to work with. His next HC job he just needs to do a better job of.......being a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 He had talent and a QB and a very good OC in Scott Linehan. So pretty much more pieces than he's likely to have here to work with. His next HC job he just needs to do a better job of.......being a head coach. He had some talent and an erratic QB with a great arm. He had one great WR but that's it, TE sucked, a sometimes game breaker RB who usually was average, and a fair OL. Great defensive line and erratic back seven. They were pretty good, under achieved the last couple years and it was time for him to go. He didn't have a great team. In some ways the offense overachieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Lions players when Schwartz was dismissed in Detroit: http://www.detroitlions.com/news/article-1/Lions-players-react-to-Jim-Schwartz-firing/78daa81f-e4eb-496b-995f-826baa6e2fb6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 He had some talent and an erratic QB with a great arm. He had one great WR but that's it, TE sucked, a sometimes game breaker RB who usually was average, and a fair OL. Great defensive line and erratic back seven. They were pretty good, under achieved the last couple years and it was time for him to go. He didn't have a great team. In some ways the offense overachieved. Yeah, Stafford really isn't that great of a QB. He still has never won a road game against a winning team. He's one of those guys that's just good enough not to be really questioned, but he's not a championship QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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