jethro_tull Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 The Scwartz sucked in Detroit one winning season in 5. What is the fascination with this guy? he leaves and boom their in the playoffs. His defense in Buffalo was completly built, had a year of success and he was handed the keys. Just what did he do besides tightening up the run D? There are probably several DC's that could have acomplished what he did this year. Considering the talent he was handed. Absolutely. Look at the talent on both sides of the ball and you see a complete failure at the head coaching position. Many of the best coordinators rose to be failed head coaches and then fell back where they belong. Few coordinators turned coaches get a second chance and even fewer are successful the second time around. Please leave him be as a very good DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 If Schwartz can bring in a trestman, I'm completely okay with this. The atmosphere he created on the D was amazing and the players loved him. I think that's a good start. I don't like how things ended in Detroit and that did make me nervous, but I'm not against it. Overall, I don't think it would be worse. But I also don't know if he has the ability to identify a good qb Its a great thing that if Schwartz is retained that you have one third of your team that will play their guts out for the guy ! Plus he has that fire in him to win , he won't take a back seat to any one as he showed with the Harbaugh thing a couple years ago . The guy has the experience of more than one hat & wasn't terrible at the HC ing thing just needed better offensive coaches & this could be his chance to take the experience he learned in Detroit & put it to good use . The Bills have made a lot worse choices at HC including the one that just left . I never did like the hire !! Just to add one more thing do you think Orton's action could have been directly linked to what he saw out of Marrone during his time hear & do you think Marrone taught him or told him how to go about leaving the way he did ? It sure looks like it now doesn't it !! Happy trails Maroon !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 The more i think about it, id possibly be ok with Schwartz, if hes able to bring in a top notch OC. The more i read of peoples opinions i think Schwartz has earned it, hoping he learned some things in Detroit. He could maintain a strong influence on D and leave the offense to an offensive guru. This may be a good situation. As , eh, as i was on Marrone this year, ive said to myself many times over the last few weeks, at least we arent going to be looking for a head coach this offseason. That thought sure has flown out the window. Just to add one more thing do you think Orton's action could have been directly linked to what he saw out of Marrone during his time hear & do you think Marrone taught him or told him how to go about leaving the way he did ? It sure looks like it now doesn't it !! Happy trails Maroon !! Yeah, i think they both knew what each other were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 better get going on promoting schwartz. you lose him, it's mickey mouse club time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Hired. Now get a nasty freak for an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't stop billievein Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 IMO Schwartz is the best option in order to not lose control of the situation! You are going to be coming back with the strength of your team(defense) pretty much the same as last year, you have to think the veterans on the team will appreciate some consistency on that side of the ball. Then you promote pepper to d coordinator and go out and get the best offensive coordinator money can buy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 we can't lose schwartz cause he's under contract. I know a hc might want to choose their own dc but it would be hard for a head coach to want to come in and want to rock the boat of the defense. That coach will know he needs that defense in tact for success. Give jim a raise and bring in an offense guy has hc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I'd like to see Schwartz get the top gig and make pepper the d-coordinator he so covets. On O...any1 but Hackett...i don't think Reich makes a parallel move from Rivers to...who the !@#$ knows. But I'm totally against an overhaul and starting over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I wanted to see who Schwartz had as his oc in Detroit--seems like he picked a good one. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20141229-lions-not-shocked-by-ex-coordinator-scott-linehan-s-success-with-cowboys.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsicat17 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 If Schwartz can bring in a trestman, I'm completely okay with this. The atmosphere he created on the D was amazing and the players loved him. I think that's a good start. I don't like how things ended in Detroit and that did make me nervous, but I'm not against it. Overall, I don't think it would be worse. But I also don't know if he has the ability to identify a good qb Its won't be his job as a head coach to identify good QB's to sign - that would be the GM/OC/ect. Of course he would have to sign off on it but I think he knows his own strengths and weaknesses by now and will leave that to the offensive side of the organization. I want to keep the defensive side of the staff together so I'm in favor of giving Schwartz the job unless Terry and KIm want to completely blow up everything and start from scratch, which Saint Doug just gave them the oppertunity to do if they wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 What a start to the New Year... I'm Ok with Schwartz as well... Unless Cowher wants to come out of retirement.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Here's an interesting piece written in his second year in Detroit. You could substitute "Jim Kelly" in his quip... http://archive.detroitnews.com/article/20101120/OPINION03/11200393 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 IMO Schwartz is the best option in order to not lose control of the situation! You are going to be coming back with the strength of your team(defense) pretty much the same as last year, you have to think the veterans on the team will appreciate some consistency on that side of the ball. Then you promote pepper to d coordinator and go out and get the best offensive coordinator money can buy! Losing control of the situation might be a bit dramatic with the verbiage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Here's an old one about his use of stats, and a good read. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 promote Schwartz to HC, and Johnson to DC.. then find an OC who'll work with the GM to meet the following 2015 goals: develop an offensive line that can move laterally and reach their second level assignments develop an outside zone running game layer read option, play option pass, screen and sweep packages into the outside zone game develop a vertical passing game based on running from coverage - not timing layer play option pass, and screen packages into the vertical passing game we have skill position players on the roster that many teams would covet, and we've squandered them. we need to simplify the reads for both EJ and our receivers in the vertical passing game, to allow them to use their athleticism to make plays.. give them more smash and hi-lo vertical concepts instead of the horizontal timing routes they've had problems with. we need the OC to stay on top of his position coaches, to insure they're being drilled to the point that there's no doubt what their responsibility is each play find me the guy to do that - and has no problem answering to his HC - and it's a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 The other thing with Schwartz is that you keep the Defensive coaches (who are under contract). That would prevent Marrone from taking them all to the Jets. Thats a big slap in the face to Marrone (although this is not a REASON to hire Schwartz...but it is a benefit). I like that Schwartz pretty much assembled the current defensive staff (ie very few left overs from Pettine's regime) which tells me he could be tight with these guys. It also likely allow Pepper to get his shot at DC which part of the reason he said he left New England so he's stay here. Also he's tight with Crossman being he used to be Schwartz's ST coach in Detroit. So it mean all he'd have to do is likely find some new offensive coaches, as I can't see Hackett sticking around without Marrone. In a perfect world I'd rather we keep Schwartz at DC and bring in Kubiak as HC but Schwarz as HC isn't a bad alternative plan as long as he brings in a better offensive coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 promote Schwartz to HC, and Johnson to DC.. then find an OC who'll work with the GM to meet the following 2015 goals: develop an offensive line that can move laterally and reach their second level assignments develop an outside zone running game layer read option, play option pass, screen and sweep packages into the outside zone game develop a vertical passing game based on running from coverage - not timing layer play option pass, and screen packages into the vertical passing game we have skill position players on the roster that many teams would covet, and we've squandered them. we need to simplify the reads for both EJ and our receivers in the vertical passing game, to allow them to use their athleticism to make plays.. give them more smash and hi-lo vertical concepts instead of the horizontal timing routes they've had problems with. we need the OC to stay on top of his position coaches, to insure they're being drilled to the point that there's no doubt what their responsibility is each play find me the guy to do that - and has no problem answering to his HC - and it's a start Dirk Koetter, Mark Trestman are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Since most want Frank Reich, why not hire Schwartz as HC and bring Reich in as OC/Assistant HC? Schwartz can then promote Henderson or Pepper as DC and off you go. Whaley can then get to work on fixing the roster. Personnel wise the roster is not that bad though it does need some work, this team doesn't need an all knowing football czar they just need a coach who will play the players that the GM and management bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I would be OK with promoting Schwartz. Lord knows at least half the team responds to him, which is a lot more than couldve been said for Marrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Schwarz has already demonstrated the Peter Principle in Detroit. But, it would be a real shame to lose him as DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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