Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This was going to be next point above but I will put it down here. It appeared to be a down year for defense in the SEC this year. Spread offenses have jumped ahead of defenses. Alabama was the only team in the conference that didn't give up 20+ points/game this last year. Meanwhile every team except Florida(!) averaged at least 20 points/game. I'm a big time Bama fan and therefore avid SEC follower, and it was definitely a down year for defense in 2013. Even Bama's was not quite as good as years past. LSU was awful compared to the handful of years before that, as was Florida. The second best defense in the SEC was probably Missouri's, and we all saw what Auburn did to them. BAD year for SEC defenses, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Most impressive: 1.56 split. Donald was VERY impressive as well. Are you making this a function of reps in the BP? That's a test of endurance more than anything else and it stands to reason a strong guy with shorter arms is gonna have more reps. GO BILLS!!! Wow...Aaron Donald with a 1.59 10-yard split at 290 lbs...that's amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Wow...Aaron Donald with a 1.59 10-yard split at 290 lbs...that's amazing. Yeah, this kid is a player. May have vaulted himself into the top 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah, this kid is a player. May have vaulted himself into the top 15 Yeah...I'm thinking one of the height/weight/speed teams like Pittsburgh (15), Dallas (16), Baltimore (17), or Green Bay (21) are pretty likely destinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Posting this again....it's worth it Martavis Bryant....6'4", Official 4.42 at the Combine, a Junior, 39 Vertical, leader in the broad jump and check out his highlights...this kid would be a great pick-up in the 3rd...btw, watched his combine yesterday, he was fluid, great hands, and impressive...that's the only word to describe the kid...impressive. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBY_lsCjCT4 There's 4 or 5 catches in that highlight that really show what this kid can do...catches balls in contest with defenders, has pull-away speed, can go up and get it and catches in traffic....talk about a #1 prototype, coupled with his measurables yesterday at the Combine, I think he can sneak into the 2nd Round...too good to pass up, no pun intended there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Mack getting a ton of praise from all the NFL network guys. Anyone know what his broad and vertical were? i think the LB's run in a few mins. Got my own answer.. Mack was 10'8" and 40". impressive. Edited February 24, 2014 by zow2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Wow...Aaron Donald with a 1.59 10-yard split at 290 lbs...that's amazing. Unfathomably amazing, but I thought I read Donald's split at 1.65. If I missed that, I'm sorry. GO BILLS!!! Mack getting a ton of praise from all the NFL network guys. Anyone know what his broad and vertical were? i think the LB's run in a few mins. Got my own answer.. Mack was 10'8" and 40". impressive. Well, he's off to a GREAT start in answering ANY questions about his explosiveness. Nice to see. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mack with a 4.66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mosley and Shazier both skipped the 1st run. I was hoping to see how they compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mack with a 4.66 He didn't have a great start to his sprint - think he'll run faster the second time Mosley and Shazier both skipped the 1st run. I was hoping to see how they compared. Shazier tweaked his hamstring yesterday -said he may not run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Notable players that have tested in the red thus far: Bishop Sankey - RB/Washington Jace Amaro - TE/Texas Tech Brandon Thomas - OG-OT/Clemson Ra'Shede Hageman - DT/Minnesota Aaron Donald - DT/Pittsburgh Khalil Mack - LB/Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Sorry if this has been brought up but I was watching the NFLN crew discussing Michael Sam, saying he was good but not elite. It got me thinking if there will be gay rights activists who will claim that Sam is being devalued because he's gay? Having him come out adds an unfortunate layer to his story. Will evaluators be accused of lowering evaluations gay players? I can see there being a kneejerk reaction like that. PTR Edited February 24, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Sorry if this has been brought up but I was watching the NFLN crew discussing Michael Sam, saying he was good but not elite. It got me thinking if there will be gay rights activists who will claim that Sam is being devalued because he's gay? Having him come out adds an unfortunate layer to his story. Will evaluators be accused of lowering evaluations gay players? I can see there being a kneejerk reaction like that. PTR There likely will be some of that--I think it will quickly be attenuated when his #s are compared to the other players in his class. I mean, he's not performing well in comparison to his peers...that's difficult to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Wow...Aaron Donald with a 1.59 10-yard split at 290 lbs...that's amazing. Not sure how we pass this guy up at #9. He's a longer, faster, Kyle Williams. Not a need position, but outside of some of the OT's, guy seems like the surest thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Not sure how we pass this guy up at #9. He's a longer, faster, Kyle Williams. Not a need position, but outside of some of the OT's, guy seems like the surest thing. i would have absolutely no issue taking Donald at 9...none whatsoever. In fact, that's an excellent idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 i would have absolutely no issue taking Donald at 9...none whatsoever. In fact, that's an excellent idea. I'd be really happy with Matthews, Robinson, Watkins, or Mack at #9. After that, I'd be happy with Donald or Lewan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Well it isn't a complete list but after finishing in the top 5 for SEC receiving and not producing much (I'm only using 2007 - 2010 to give them a chance to develop or not) Jeff Fuller TJ Moe Shay Hodge Darvin Adams Greg Childs Chase Coffman Brandon Lafell DJ Hall Lucas Taylor Kenny McKinley So 10 out of 20 giving them a 50% success rate. It really isn't a great indicator when someone lights up the SEC at the WR position whether or not they will be successful at the next level. This was going to be next point above but I will put it down here. It appeared to be a down year for defense in the SEC this year. Spread offenses have jumped ahead of defenses. Alabama was the only team in the conference that didn't give up 20+ points/game this last year. Meanwhile every team except Florida(!) averaged at least 20 points/game. You're not comparing apples to apples here. You using the top 5. Evans was in the top 2, and given his tds, probably the best wr in the SEC. Also, Texas A & M and Missouri just joined the SEC 2 years ago. Now going by the top 2 receivers in the SEC, here's Evans' company: 2007 - Stevie Johnson, DJ Hall 2008 - AJ Green, Brandon Lafell, and 5 yards behind, Julio Jones 2009 - Shay hodge, Darvin Adams, (and 3rd was Riley the Racist who just had a career year) bad year 2010 - Alshon Jeffrey, Julio Jones (and Randall Cobb 3rd) 2011 - Jairus Wright, the great Da'Rick (and we all know he will be a HOF) bad year for wrs 2012 - Cobi Hamilton, Jordan Matthews, and Mike Evans My take aways: 1) The Arkansas system made a lot of wrs. It's the same system that made Brian Brohm into a 2nd round pick. 2) If you are in the top 2 in SEC receiving and 6'4" or taller, you almost certainly are getting a legit receiver. 3) Even in a down defensive year for the SEC, it's still produces the most NFL defensive backs. Edited February 24, 2014 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 There likely will be some of that--I think it will quickly be attenuated when his #s are compared to the other players in his class. I mean, he's not performing well in comparison to his peers...that's difficult to defend. He handled himself pretty well at his press conference. Not going to help his forty time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 4m Former Colts GM Bill Polian just said on ESPN's NFL Insiders that he projects Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo to be a first-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 You're not comparing apples to apples here. You using the top 5. Evans was in the top 2, and given his tds, probably the best wr in the SEC. Also, Texas A & M and Missouri just joined the SEC 2 years ago. Now going by the top 2 receivers in the SEC, here's Evans' company: 2007 - Stevie Johnson, DJ Hall 2008 - AJ Green, Brandon Lafell, and 5 yards behind, Julio Jones 2009 - Shay hodge, Darvin Adams, (and 3rd was Riley the Racist who just had a career year) bad year 2010 - Alshon Jeffrey, Julio Jones (and Randall Cobb 3rd) 2011 - Jairus Wright, the great Da'Rick (and we all know he will be a HOF) bad year for wrs 2012 - Cobi Hamilton, Jordan Matthews, and Mike Evans My take aways: 1) The Arkansas system made a lot of wrs. It's the same system that made Brian Brohm into a 2nd round pick. 2) If you are in the top 2 in SEC receiving and 6'4" or taller, you almost certainly are getting a legit receiver. 3) Even in a down defensive year for the SEC, it's still produces the most NFL defensive backs. Alright so to compare apples to apples using the same sample size 4 out of 8 haven't been successful in the NFL. 1) Yes it did but what is to say the T A&M system isn't the same? Swope's medical history didn't allow us to see whether or not he would be succesful and to date nobody else has gone from Sumlin's system while he has been a hc. 2) While that is true that is an incredibly small sample size, and I wouldn't be comfortable claiming it will always be true. 3) Are there stats to back this up? I've seen it a few times and wondered if there was a way to verify it. I'm not saying it is wrong just want some facts. I won't dispute that the SEC puts out a lot of great talent each year but the part of your argument that I take exception to is that he succeeded in the SEC he will also do so in the NFL. That to me is too much like the player x went school y and they don't produce good qbs argument. Also according to drafttek the top corner from the SEC is the 6th best cb in the draft for fwiw. So again defense is really not as strong as it used to be in the SEC. Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 4m Former Colts GM Bill Polian just said on ESPN's NFL Insiders that he projects Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo to be a first-round pick. WOW! That would be a helluva off season for him. From a 5th rounder at the Senior Bowl to 1st rounder after the combine?!!? Cha-Ching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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