Max997 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What I'd like to know is why they didn't run the ball on 1st or 2nd downs. What was Marrone planning on doing when he was going to be forced to snap the ball on 4th down with 5 seconds left? Safety? Squib kick? Just punt it away? He obviously didn't want to risk a fumble so he had EJ drop back and kneel when defender got close which prob ran off same amount of time if they did run the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 +1. Bad game management. If they ran two plays they could've just kneeled down on third down and run it out. Any other game I've EVER seen, in that situation you run the ball for the first down (or not, and punt and force the other team to get down the field quickly). That whole "not kneel down, personal foul" sequence of downs was just weird all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Without the penalty, the Bills take a TO and punt with about 10 seconds left on the clock. With the clock starting on the punt, it leaves the Ravens one play to go 80 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I was there for this one: (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass deep middle to S.Nelson to BUF 45 for 4 yards (R.Lewis). FUMBLES (R.Lewis), RECOVERED by BLT-R.Lewis at BUF 45. About 15 seconds After Shawn Nelson's forward progression was stopped Ray Lewis and gang ripped the ball out. Bills lose. The Kneel down isn't so silly. http://scores.espn.g...024033&period=5 Edited September 30, 2013 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I was there for this one: (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass deep middle to S.Nelson to BUF 45 for 4 yards (R.Lewis). FUMBLES (R.Lewis), RECOVERED by BLT-R.Lewis at BUF 45. About 15 seconds After Shawn Nelson's forward progression was stopped Ray Lewis and gang ripped the ball out. Bills lose. The Kneel down isn't so silly. http://scores.espn.g...024033&period=5 haha oh man. Wasn't that during our 0-8 start season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 haha oh man. Wasn't that during our 0-8 start season? Yes, we finally beat Detroit in November, for our first win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I was there for this one: (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass deep middle to S.Nelson to BUF 45 for 4 yards (R.Lewis). FUMBLES (R.Lewis), RECOVERED by BLT-R.Lewis at BUF 45. About 15 seconds After Shawn Nelson's forward progression was stopped Ray Lewis and gang ripped the ball out. Bills lose. The Kneel down isn't so silly. http://scores.espn.g...024033&period=5 yes, that was a terrible call, should have blown the whistle .... JH, what goes around comes around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 When is harbaugh not upset over something? The guy is more of a d-bag than his brother. Right on jr... Why did the officials feel the need to drag it on at the end while he whined and cried.. Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 +1. Bad game management. If they ran two plays they could've just kneeled down on third down and run it out. Good game management. See W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 um.....it worked. If we ran it and fumbled it we would be saying why did they run it. IT WORKED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 That's exactly what I was thinking. Why not just run once or twice? I guess the kneel downs were the safe way out, but it got a little dicey. Buffalo had two injured running backs at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 A QB should also not be tap dancing in the back field taking his sweet ass time doing a kneel down. If his helmet doesn't come off, which I don't think Suggs did intentionally (I don't think he touched his head), then it's not called a penalty. Bills got lucky. Should have ran the ball, even with the oh so scary possibility of fumbling. Good teams finish off other teams. They don't do gimmicky plays with faux kneel downs in the backfield risking gettin you QB injured. So how do you think Manuel's helmet came off? Ejector seat? I was fine with the kneel-down strategy. I don't think running the ball would've gotten more than a yard or two, and I don't think any "safe" runs would have taken enough time off the clock to avoid a punt on 4th down. If you accept those premises, then kneeling down is the right move, because it greatly lowers the risk of a fumble or injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 So how do you think Manuel's helmet came off? Ejector seat? You've never seen a player lose a helmet from a jarring hit? See Jadeveon Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 You did miss domething. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What I'd like to know is why they didn't run the ball on 1st or 2nd downs. What was Marrone planning on doing when he was going to be forced to snap the ball on 4th down with 5 seconds left? Safety? Squib kick? Just punt it away? 1978 Miricle in the Medowlands, that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Buffalo had two injured running backs at that time. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Good game management. See W Can't argue with that. But they seemed to make it harder than it needed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 +1. Bad game management. If they ran two plays they could've just kneeled down on third down and run it out. You do realize a kneel down is a play too right? They did run two plays...kneel downs....which are the same as a run. The fact EJ went back further accounted for the extra second or two a handoff would eat up without the risk of a fumble. How people are puzzled by this is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Imagine if they don't get the penalty and our crappy punter shanks it or something and the Ravens take a free kick FG to tie! Oh my! It would be very "Bills like"... Aren't the Bills the last team to have this donw to them successfully? '76 or something? Marrone was really messing around w/neagtive Bills mojo and got away with one... Thanks to Suggs the thug! You do realize a kneel down is a play too right? They did run two plays...kneel downs....which are the same as a run. The fact EJ went back further accounted for the extra second or two a handoff would eat up without the risk of a fumble. How people are puzzled by this is beyond me. See my post above... Say they mismanage a fee seconds and have to punt... Going backwards on the kneel down is actually putting the Ravens in striking distance for a tieing kick in how I explained. Am I wrong? Flirting with disaster... And God knows the Bills punter can get dicey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What I'd like to know is why they didn't run the ball on 1st or 2nd downs. What was Marrone planning on doing when he was going to be forced to snap the ball on 4th down with 5 seconds left? Safety? Squib kick? Just punt it away? ummm no one is complaining that Harbaugh took 30 seconds off the clock then called a time out with 5 seconds left in the game .. That trumped the Bills clock management faux paux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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