VABills Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He manages it well enough to have a winning record. I love this ... here is a winning coach(a better winning percentage than Gruden BTW) and people hate the idea. Amazing. They're all bigots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 His won loss record against winning teams is certainly scary enough to reconsider him but not at the expense of hiring Whiz instead. Here,here Then consider the QB's Lovie won with... Cmon 13-3 and a super bowl with Rex Grossman / Brian Griese at QB! So, do we know if the Bears GM's are more responsible for the hirings of those incompetent OC's? Was Lovie Smith allowed to choose his own assistants or was that delegated to him by the GM's above him? 9 years, 81-63, .563 % with mostly scrubs at QB. 2004 5-11 QB Chad Hutchinson, 5 games, Jonathan Quinn, 3 games, Craig Krenzel, 3 games. Rex Grossman, 3 games besides Grossman who are these guys? Geez! 2005 11-5 took the guy one year to go to the playoffs. QB Kyle Orton 15 GS. Man, look at that Bears defense this year, I want some of that in Buffalo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Here,here Then consider the QB's Lovie won with... Cmon 13-3 and a super bowl with Rex Grossman / Brian Griese at QB! So, do we know if the Bears GM's are more responsible for the hirings of those incompetent OC's? Was Lovie Smith allowed to choose his own assistants or was that delegated to him by the GM's above him? 9 years, 81-63, .563 % with mostly scrubs at QB. 2004 5-11 QB Chad Hutchinson, 5 games, Jonathan Quinn, 3 games, Craig Krenzel, 3 games. Rex Grossman, 3 games besides Grossman who are these guys? Geez! 2005 11-5 took the guy one year to go to the playoffs. QB Kyle Orton 15 GS. Man, look at that Bears defense this year, I want some of that in Buffalo! Kyle Orton is very similar to Alex Smith. Smith is better, but they both manage games, not lose them for you. They will not fumble or throw INT's in the final 5 minutes of games, like someone we have had. Lovie would be okay, depending on who is coordinators are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Considering the dozens of posts saying (approximately) "I'd be fine with Lovie Smith contingent on who he brought in as OC" I would say that the answer to your question is NO. People are not overlooking this fact. You speak for me. Whose this OC gonna be ? This should get interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCLXXIX Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 He manages it well enough to have a winning record. I love this ... here is a winning coach(a better winning percentage than Gruden BTW) and people hate the idea. Amazing. I just want someone who will manage the team. I would like a coach that knows what he wants to do on both sides of the ball and I'm not sure I've seen or read about that in regards to Lovie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 As apposed which other candidates NFL win/loss record against teams with winning records? What is Whiz's record against winning teams? I have not seen that mentioned anywhere for any other candidate. And no one else was a head coach in the NFL to compare that stat. If you are going to use it a reason that he is a bad choice you should show the other candidates stats side by side. He manages it well enough to have a winning record. I love this ... here is a winning coach(a better winning percentage than Gruden BTW) and people hate the idea. Amazing. Sorry. I just figured that a coach with a LOSING record would as a result have a pretty bad record against winning teams. Whiz W-L 45-51 Amazing indeed, Sorry if Whiz is your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckknox Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Make the offer to Lovie.... This is way too easy. I am sure they will make the wrong choice and watch Lovie make the play offs next year with a bad team. He will turn them around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 I just want someone who will manage the team. I would like a coach that knows what he wants to do on both sides of the ball and I'm not sure I've seen or read about that in regards to Lovie... So I am assuming you have a coach in mine that you have seen/read about who DOES know what he wants to do on both sides of the ball? Who is it, I want to read more about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Based on every thread, there is going to be a flat response to whomever is hired....until we rally and justify.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckknox Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Like finishing 6-10 or 4-10 every freaking year is not getting stale. Lovie is the best coach we would have since Marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMan Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Man Lovey for Lovie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) It's all going to depend on which coordinator Lovie or Whiz bring with them. If Lovie can get a great OC then I'll be happy. I'd probably be happy with Whiz if he brought Horton but it sounds like that's not even an option from some of the things I've read so who else could he bring? So my vote goes for Lovie assuming he can land a good OC (Jackson, schurmur, turner, etc) Edited January 5, 2013 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Lovie Smith is 22-43 against winning teams. Whiz is 15-29. Chan was, of course, 1-19. Jauron was 4-27. Belichick is 64-47 with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don't stop billievein Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Why haven't we signed this guy yet!! He is (in my opinion) the best candidate out there and he has stated he would like the opportunity to coach the bills!! Get a guy to stand next to him that can run the offense, and let's do this already. He would be the best coaching prospect to coach the bills since marv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The Bears GM said he let Lovie go because he could turn the offense around. He hasn't been able to attract a good OC and get the offense going. That is why he was let go and that is my biggest question mark with him.... This year there isn't one coach out there who would eba slam dunk. All of them have issues, but from what I have read Horton seems to be a good pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 sign me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 This team needs Lovie for this underachieving defense as long ad we get a good OC I approve so did you hear that Bills I give my blessing so thats all you need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The Bears GM said he let Lovie go because he could turn the offense around. He hasn't been able to attract a good OC and get the offense going. That is why he was let go and that is my biggest question mark with him.... This year there isn't one coach out there who would eba slam dunk. All of them have issues, but from what I have read Horton seems to be a good pick I love Horton's personality and think he's got a lot of potential as a coach. But I hate the idea of going back to the 3-4 after dropping over $150 million on two 4-3 DE's, not to mention Kyle Williams' $50 million contract for a player without a true position in a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Buffalo Feet Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 For those wanting to hire a coach with a winning record against winning teams give it up... They are all still coaching! You usually done get canned for winning. Lovies record is good enough for me, get the deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball'n Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lovie Smith is 22-43 against winning teams. Whiz is 15-29. Chan was, of course, 1-19. Jauron was 4-27. Belichick is 64-47 with the Pats. Lets say a coach won every game against teams under .500 and won half against winning teams. They'd be around .750 which is very high. Being 22-43 against winning teams is not as bad as advertised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I love Horton's personality and think he's got a lot of potential as a coach. But I hate the idea of going back to the 3-4 after dropping over $150 million on two 4-3 DE's, not to mention Kyle Williams' $50 million contract for a player without a true position in a 3-4. I entirely agree! We need to stay a 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in Syracuse Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I entirely agree! We need to stay a 43 I am not against a 3 year transformation to the 34 but this year would have to be 90% 43 10$ 34 and over 3 or 4 years keep drafting LB's until you have enough. Mario Williams is a 34 DE or OLB like Wade used him in Houston. Anderson is a pass rushing 34 lb as well. Merriman would be awesome in the 34. What we need is a healthy Troupe to play nose or Dareus. The only one really left out in 34 is Kyle Williams. If we draft Teo we have a grerat ILB. We lack good 34 LB depth. Moats Shepard, and Barnett are not really good 34 LB's as we have found out in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp 2 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 The Bears GM said he let Lovie go because he could turn the offense around. He hasn't been able to attract a good OC and get the offense going. That is why he was let go and that is my biggest question mark with him.... This year there isn't one coach out there who would eba slam dunk. All of them have issues, but from what I have read Horton seems to be a good pick That's why they're unemployed! I'm with most of you, Lovie's the best candidate to me. His firing this year was definitely a result of his past failure of his offensive production but IMO this year was different. Mike Tice was the OC with a smashmouth mentality and did a pretty good job until the injuries to Cutler & Forte stymied the offense, that's just a bad break. IMO Lovie has a great staff & if they're part of his package it's a slam dunk...his DC was Rob Marinelli (lots of HC & NFL experience there between the two btw) that's two pretty good coordinators IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I entirely agree! We need to stay a 43 I prefer the 3-4 if run properly. Aggressive and always showing different looks that confuse offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) What are the other magic coaches (Gruden, Cowher) winning percentage against teams over .500? I'm also curious where the data on this is coming from, is there a site that tracks those stats? Edited January 6, 2013 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Man Lovey for Lovie. Thirsty for Thurston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Mike Ditka calls the Bears “stupid” for firing Lovie Smith: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/01/mike-ditka-calls-the-bears-stupid-for-firing-lovie-smith/ Hiring Lovie could be seen as equal to never having fired Wade, which, in hindsight, we probably never should have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) If you tweet, send Lovie Smith's son a tweet @Matt_Smith_IMG Appreciating all the love from #Bills fans. I was told that #Billsfans are the best in the NFL, let me hear it from you! Edited January 6, 2013 by scribo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Hiring Lovie could be seen as equal to never having fired Wade, which, in hindsight, we probably never should have done. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Interesting. Its a hire within a hire within a hire. INCEPTION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I'd Lovie to see Mr. Smith as our head coach. Hopefully he could entice the majority of his staff to follow(Marinelli, Rusty Jones, Gill Byrd, etc.) As far as offensive coordinator how would Turner Gill appeal to folks? He completely turned UB program around and had Zach Maynard looking like a viable NFL prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Played college ball, and coached high school right here in T-Town. I did not know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Cappy gets pretty upset when people misspell his name. He had a rookie quarterback, a rookie running back, and a rookie wide receiver along with a 2nd year wide receiver. Shurmur did nicely with a rookie Sam Bradford in St. Louis. Also, I read also about how his offense was so predictable that opposing teams claimed to know his plays based on his formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Its a hire within a hire within a hire. INCEPTION Also mild-mannered defensive coaches. Also, I read also about how his offense was so predictable that opposing teams claimed to know his plays based on his formations. When he was in St. Louis or when he was in Cleveland? I'd never heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Also mild-mannered defensive coaches. When he was in St. Louis or when he was in Cleveland? I'd never heard that. Cleveland. I read it in pft. I will try to dig up the link. the other point I recall reading was that he was way too west coast in his offense. Most WCO guys run a modified version. He's a purist, and the pure wco is simply too predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 @Matt_Smith_IMG Know this #BillsMafia, regardless of who next HC may be, you are in GREAT hands with @russbrandon !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daytonajay Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 This team would be similar to minn if Lovie was HC IMO. Is Fitz better than Ponder? Maybe. The talent on this D with good coaching and would work fine with a game mananager at QB. Fitz or someone else for that matter. Dalton/Ponder. Seemed to get them to the tournament!! Add Lovie with a couple LBs and a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Very interesting JR. Thanks. And don't go searching now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/05/browns-offense-getting-reputation-for-predictability/ Here is the shurmur link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 http://profootballta...predictability/ Here is the shurmur link Thanks JR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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