Kipers Hair Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Dareus, according to the football analytics site ProFootballFocus.com, is the lowest-rated of 77 defensive tackles, and last of all defensive tackles against the run. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/10/12/nfl-game-plan-week6/index.html#ixzz297FUJa9d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 don't really know what to say. shocking doesn't do it justice. of all the disappointments (mario, fitz, no pass rush, safety play), dareus' sucktitude might be the worst. compounding that problem is the fact that there are a few hall-of-fame type of talents drafted right after him. would certainly be par for the !@#$ing course if we swung and missed again in the top 5 of a draft. he NEEDS to pick it up and play to his "potential" or we're in worse shape than we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AReed Deep For6 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 We gotta cross our fingers as a fanbase and hope all this falls on Wannys shoulders. Dareus looked awesome last year and I had hoped for alot more through these first 5games from him. Pleassssssssse pretty please have this all be Wannys fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Hope its just a rough stretch for him... not playing like the guy he was in College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Remember...... the guy is dealing with very recent tragedy in his family. There are no 'rules' for how one copes with those type of things. He may not be all that 'into' his job right now. I know he makes millions etc, but he is also human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 of the first five players drafted in marcel's class.....only one hasn't made it to the pro bowl...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Dareus, according to the football analytics site ProFootballFocus.com, is the lowest-rated of 77 defensive tackles, and last of all defensive tackles against the run. Read more: http://sportsillustr...l#ixzz297FUJa9d Not a big worry. Wanny just needs to get the kid some better "fit(s)". He'll be fine when he has a true NFL coach next season. or he will be gone when his rookie contract expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Not a big worry. Wanny just needs to get the kid some better "fit(s)". He'll be fine when he has a true NFL coach next season. or he will be gone when his rookie contract expires. and then become a fixture in the pro-bowl and goes into the hall as one of the most dominating DTs ever -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 and then become a fixture in the pro-bowl and goes into the hall as one of the most dominating DTs ever -.- Oh, that's a given! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'm curious what they had him rated last year when everybody was singing his praises. He didn't just suddenly start sucking. Two things are different - 1) he's dealing with the death of his brother (i.e. his heart might not be into playing atm and I wouldn't blame him) and 2) New defensive scheme and coordinator. I'd imagine it's a combination of the two. The guy is a talent and if he wants to be good he will be good. My guess is he turns it around at some point this season, I just hope it's not too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just a bad fit so far this year. Maybe its his level of fitness, or he is struggling to fit in. Centers and guards are giving him fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 of the first five players drafted in marcel's class.....only one hasn't made it to the pro bowl...... Not to mention Julio Jones, JJ Watt, and Aldon Smith were all Drafted after the Top 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 You know the Bills are the worst team in the NFL against the run, well technically 3rd worst, but they're only 6 yards difference between the Jests and 'Aints. So how could an individual rank well on a team like that? Run Defense is a team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Dareus, according to the football analytics site ProFootballFocus.com, is the lowest-rated of 77 defensive tackles, and last of all defensive tackles against the run. Read more: http://sportsillustr...l#ixzz297FUJa9d Well, right now the Bills are #30 for run D as a team and that's only because they did OK against KC and the Browns. It kind of stands to reason the individual players on a team in that position aren't going to be highly rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 The guy did lose someone really close to him a few weeks ago and still played. I'm not questioning his heart. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 The guy did lose someone really close to him a few weeks ago and still played. I'm not questioning his heart. Tim- Although it could be that his loss is causing him to reconsider his commitment to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 So, if I was the coach and felt he was underperforming because of his recent family tragedy... I would probably do this: 1) Keep him in as starter. Officially dropping him would probably be bad for him and probably bad for team morale given the situation. 2) Call for a LOT of substitution packages with his backup. Assuming his backup is playing better. Otherwise.... do nothing. Beyond that you just have to give him time to work through it. If he comes back next year and does poorly you deal with it at that time... Hopefully that is not the case. If it hurts his performance for future seasons he should seek help... but I do not think the team can get into that. Right now the loss is too fresh and there is very little anyone can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandShark13 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 On a more positive note Randy Starks won AFC defensive player of the week! Sorry couldn't help myself =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Hope its just a rough stretch for him... not playing like the guy he was in College. Not playing like the player he was in his rookie season either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'm curious what they had him rated last year when everybody was singing his praises. He didn't just suddenly start sucking. Two things are different - 1) he's dealing with the death of his brother (i.e. his heart might not be into playing atm and I wouldn't blame him) and 2) New defensive scheme and coordinator. I'd imagine it's a combination of the two. The guy is a talent and if he wants to be good he will be good. My guess is he turns it around at some point this season, I just hope it's not too late. Here's a fantasy football related article they put out a few months ago. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/10/fantasy-idp-sophomore-spotlight-marcell-dareus/ And he had no other pass rushers around him. His run grade wasn't the greatest last year, but it was a positive even though Kyle Williams was out for the majority of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Remember...... the guy is dealing with very recent tragedy in his family. There are no 'rules' for how one copes with those type of things. He may not be all that 'into' his job right now. I know he makes millions etc, but he is also human. Exactly ... The guy is probably still emotionally adjusting and not to mention a new system doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just saw Charley Casserly talking on the NFLN about the Bills defensive line woes...pretty disheartening. I thought Dareus was well on his way to becoming a very good player last year...Casserly insists "if you watch game film" it is obvious that there is something wrong with Mario's arm strength...mentioned that Mario's "hand work" is usually outstanding, but it isn't happening this year. He also said our secondary is experiencing lots of "mental lapses", and our (Wanny's) unwillingness to blitz more often is not helping things...I know this is all stuff we have seen/noticed, but that is the first time I have seen anyone on a national level breakdown our defense, other than just saying it is "woeful" or "hopeless" or "pathetic" etc etc If we lose Dareus to malaise, we are more !@#$ed than I thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 He's a bust. I thought he was a stiff before we drafted him out of Alabama. Slow and stiff. Possibly worse than the Whitner draft, considering he went #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Had my doubts too. He lacks the explosiveness and athletic ability like a ngata. He's not a penetrator like Williams. And he doesn't get underneath pads and get leverage like a wilfork. I think partly because he's just too much a wide body makes him an easy target. We could have drafted Peterson or green that I had ahead of him and the media discussed at 3 that would be contributing more. And others of course like watt who werent discussed quite as high are blowing his doors off. Basically another fail due to drafting for need in the making. That stupid 3-4 experiment cost us the troupe and dareus picks in search of a NT Edited October 12, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 What I never saw coming ....... Was the flag for the obvious holding call on Mario in this pic. .. I'm sure there were plenty more in the NE game that never came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Most experts had Dareus as a consensus top 5 pick. The only two I recall that weren't that high on him were Wes Bunting, who is now a pro scout for someone, and Dave Razzano. Razzano also felt that Aldon Smith and Von Miller were extremely overrated, especially Miller, so there's that. Dareus was solid last year, just read the below article from PFF, who now ranks him near or at the bottom. It's been a rough year for him, hopefully he turns it around. https://www.profootb...marcell-dareus/ Edited October 12, 2012 by bouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I'm curious what they had him rated last year when everybody was singing his praises. He didn't just suddenly start sucking. Two things are different - 1) he's dealing with the death of his brother (i.e. his heart might not be into playing atm and I wouldn't blame him) and 2) New defensive scheme and coordinator. I'd imagine it's a combination of the two. The guy is a talent and if he wants to be good he will be good. My guess is he turns it around at some point this season, I just hope it's not too late. I think that there is one other change from last season. Last season Kyle Williams was injured and Dareus was moved to Williams 3 technique position on the line. This season he is playing the 1 technique between the guard and center and facing more double teaming. Typically the 3 technique players are quicker, penetrating style DTs while the 1 technique guys are the space eating run stoppers. Dareus is not small, but he is more of a 3 technique player and is struggling at the 1. This was actually a major concern of mine before the season started. I don't think you can be effective vs the run without at least one immovable object in the middle and the Bills don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryfan62 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) What I never saw coming ....... Was the flag for the obvious holding call on Mario in this pic. .. I'm sure there were plenty more in the NE game that never came. Glad you saw that too, actually both Jets players are guilty. We are a bit spoiled I think sometimes, too used to seeing B. Smith drive or drag two guys like that right into the QB's face. I know Mario's got got to raise his game a bunch but very few of today's players are going to destroy a double team/hold like #78 used to. Looking again at that pic I'd like to see him stop playing so upright as well, someone needs to show him some old Bruce footage. Edited October 12, 2012 by angryfan62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I think that there is one other change from last season. Last season Kyle Williams was injured and Dareus was moved to Williams 3 technique position on the line. This season he is playing the 1 technique between the guard and center and facing more double teaming. Typically the 3 technique players are quicker, penetrating style DTs while the 1 technique guys are the space eating run stoppers. Dareus is not small, but he is more of a 3 technique player and is struggling at the 1. This was actually a major concern of mine before the season started. I don't think you can be effective vs the run without at least one immovable object in the middle and the Bills don't have one. Good point, but the Bills also run double 3 techs in passing situations. Honestly, our defensive scheme isn't doing anyone any favors, so predictable. Every player on D becomes blockable when offenses can predict/knows where everyone lines up every single down. We don't change a thing, it's the same look over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Glad you saw that too, actually both Jets players are guilty. We are a bit spoiled I think sometimes, too used to seeing B. Smith drive or drag two guys like that right into the QB's face. I know Mario's got got to raise his game a bunch but very of today's players are going to destroy a double team/hold like #78 used to. Looking again at that pic I'd like to see him stop playing so upright as well, someone needs to show him some old Bruce footage. Watched a sack by Von Millet the other night who outside rushed and dipped his shoulders lower than the linemans waist on cut to the QB.. Guy couldn't get a glove on him. I had to watch it 3 or 4 times to see how he got his pads so low.. Pretty impressive.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Watched a sack by Von Millet the other night who outside rushed and dipped his shoulders lower than the linemans waist on cut to the QB.. Guy couldn't get a glove on him. I had to watch it 3 or 4 times to see how he got his pads so low.. Pretty impressive.. Saw the exact play you're talking about, pulled the move on Sebastian Vollmer, it was really incredible. Couldn't believe how low he got and still maintain balance. Incredible balance. Edited October 12, 2012 by bouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Glad you saw that too, actually both Jets players are guilty. We are a bit spoiled I think sometimes, too used to seeing B. Smith drive or drag two guys like that right into the QB's face. I know Mario's got got to raise his game a bunch but very of today's players are going to destroy a double team/hold like #78 used to. Looking again at that pic I'd like to see him stop playing so upright as well, someone needs to show him some old Bruce footage. Totally different players with different styles you cant compare. Williams is taller and heavier. And Bruce was VERY unique with how low he could get, maintain his balance, and slide laterally. No way Williams can replicate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocLawless Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Good point, but the Bills also run double 3 techs in passing situations. Honestly, our defensive scheme isn't doing anyone any favors, so predictable. Every player on D becomes block able when offenses can predict/knows where everyone lines up every single down. We don't change a thing, it's the same look over and over. Which would explain why we look so much worse in the second half. Teams adjust and we don't change a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I thought Dareus' play last year was nothing special but this year he's been horrid. Then again, it seems to be an epidemic on this defense. Could you imagine having Watt or even A Smith instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) It is obvious to anyone with a modicum of sense that Dareus is a different player to this point of the season vs. last year. That doesn't just happen in a vacuum. He is lacking the same passion for the game and isn't showing the joy and fun on the field that was so apparent last season. He is in the grieving process and those five stages aren't linear, so let's all step back and let the kid be. Let him take as much time as he needs. If I were his coach I'd insist on it and let him watch the game in the hopes that will help him rediscover his passion. Anyone who would call him a bust or question his athletic ability and technique, doesn't know WTF they are talking about. Perhaps some of the most ignorant posts I've seen around here and that's saying a lot. GO BILLS!!! Edited October 13, 2012 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Dareus is on pace for an 8 sack season for an interior line man that is pretty good. Its not like they are running right at him. This thread is beyond retarded. The Bills had 6 straight Quarters of bad defense therefore Dareus sucks. Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Remember...... the guy is dealing with very recent tragedy in his family. There are no 'rules' for how one copes with those type of things. He may not be all that 'into' his job right now. I know he makes millions etc, but he is also human. Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Dareus is on pace for an 8 sack season for an interior line man that is pretty good. Its not like they are running right at him. This thread is beyond retarded. The Bills had 6 straight Quarters of bad defense therefore Dareus sucks. Genius! Agree X 30 Dareus was great last year.....Let's settle down with the dareus bust nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Honestly that's just unfair and ridiculous for them to say that, there's no way possible that he's the worst DT in the league....that's pure hogwash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 He's a bust. I thought he was a stiff before we drafted him out of Alabama. Slow and stiff. Possibly worse than the Whitner draft, considering he went #3. Really? You thought he was slow and stiff after watching the Michigan State game? I call baloney. All these experts who "had their doubts" about Marcell were no where to be found last year. The guy had 5.5 sacks as a rookie at DT/DE. That is the most Kyle Williams has ever had. So all you people who are now saying Marcell is a bust/wasted pick after 5 weeks are full of crap. If you guys can't see a cause and effect between his brothers death and his play, then I don't know what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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