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For the most part that is how he has been used I believe, however, he is very athletic and I believe ran in the 4.6's for his 40. He certainly fits the wildcat mold.

Alright then. But that means he has to be the #3 qb by rule to get on the field i think. So where does that leave us? Get rid of B Smith next year keep T J as #3 and bring in a rookie trainee franchise prospect at #2?
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Alright then. But that means he has to be the #3 qb by rule to get on the field i think. So where does that leave us? Get rid of B Smith next year keep T J as #3 and bring in a rookie trainee franchise prospect at #2?

T-Jack has a better career passer rating than Thigpen (by about 7 points) as well as more yards etc. So yeah, get rid of B Smith and Thigpen next year (Hopefully 1 this year). This very well could be the plan. Then hopefully we can finally bring in a QB that has legitimate potential to be elite and develop him.

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T-Jack has a better career passer rating than Thigpen (by about 7 points) as well as more yards etc. So yeah, get rid of B Smith and Thigpen next year (Hopefully 1 this year). This very well could be the plan. Then hopefully we can finally bring in a QB that has legitimate potential to be elite and develop him.

That's not a bad plan really. You have 39 posts and still seem a reasonable person. so how long can we keep Thigpen? For all the discussion about Brad Smith his salary and a roster spot, isnt Tyler or Jackson someone that should be first to shove off? I mean no offense to any player. But why carry 2 backup qbs at a couple million each. If you are correct that VJ is in the plan then we should sooner lose Tyler for thsoe that wish some savings for levitre and byrd and who ever else we need sign soon and the vaulted roster spot.

 

When it was 35-3.... Doesn't mean much.

I would not mind Bowe one bit. Great target and power.
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That's not a bad plan really. You have 39 posts and still seem a reasonable person. so how long can we keep Thigpen? For all the discussion about Brad Smith his salary and a roster spot, isnt Tyler or Jackson someone that should be first to shove off? I mean no offense to any player. But why carry 2 backup qbs at a couple million each. If you are correct that VJ is in the plan then we should sooner lose Tyler for thsoe that wish some savings for levitre and byrd and who ever else we need sign soon and the vaulted roster spot.

Thanks.

 

I would be all for getting rid of Thigpen, but for now we pretty much would have nobody who could legitimately run an offense behind Fitz. T-Jack isn't up to speed on the offense yet and that seems like it might be a while. Brad Smith is an absolute emergency situation 3rd stringer. Therefore, we have to keep Thigpen until T-Jack is up to speed. I would be for a plan to dump Thiggy over Smith when T-Jack is up to speed for sure.

 

We must keep in mind that Nix gave up a draft pick for T-Jack. He is in the future plans as we know Nix covets his draft picks. I don't think this is the case, but I pray to God they don't think he is a project for Gailey to turn into the starter if Fitz doesn't work out. He needs to be the backup/wildcat and then bring in a high level prospect next year for development.

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timeline for Tavaris to get up to speed? If you would hazard a guess. Seems to be no hurry. i read that he has been running the scout offense. But that's Gailey style and he is a wiley old goat.

I expect Smith to be here the duration and reevaluate post season. I'm a Smith guy. for now.

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timeline for Tavaris to get up to speed? If you would hazard a guess. Seems to be no hurry. i read that he has been running the scout offense. But that's Gailey style and he is a wiley old goat.

I expect Smith to be here the duration and reevaluate post season. I'm a Smith guy. for now.

I'm really not sure. I would be surprised if they kept Fitz, Jackson, Thigpen, and Smith for the entire year though. No way they keep all 4. If I were forced to guess, I would go 8 weeks until T-Jack is somewhat serviceable.

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He only gets on the field for a handfull of plays. The kick return game is no longer an important part of the NFL. The wildcat seems to be just a diversion and not a real yard gainer. Smith at reciever in my mind is as good as Roosevelt. I know Chan likes his versatility, but come on. That money could be spent on another quality reciever or an actual back up quarterback option. If Brad Smith has to come in to play our qb position, the year is over. Thoughts?

 

The Bills version of the wildcat is a big JOKE! Smith hands the ball off to Spiller. They're paying Smith a couple mill a year to hand the ball off to Spiller in the wildcat. Fitz can hand if off to Spiller and they wouldn't need Smith. That would save them a couple mill. :doh:

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Enough with the calls for freakin Naaman Roosevelt, seriously, he's not that good. I understand that he played @ UB and that makes him a hometown favorite, but for pete's sake give it a rest. He hasnt been picked up or even given a tryout by ANY OTHER team in the NFL. Brad Smith is a versatile player that can line up in several different packages and be used effectively, even if its as a decoy. He still provides more use than a 5th WR/ST player that been sitting at home since cuts were made.

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Enough with the calls for freakin Naaman Roosevelt, seriously, he's not that good. I understand that he played @ UB and that makes him a hometown favorite, but for pete's sake give it a rest. He hasnt been picked up or even given a tryout by ANY OTHER team in the NFL. Brad Smith is a versatile player that can line up in several different packages and be used effectively, even if its as a decoy. He still provides more use than a 5th WR/ST player that been sitting at home since cuts were made.

If they cut Stevie the first 2 years, he wouldn't have been picked up either maybe,

Recent Career Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL 2010 Buffalo 6 9 139 23.2 15.4 30 4.4 7 0 2 31 15.5 16 0 0 0 N/A 0 0 0 0 2011 Buffalo 10 16 257 25.7 16.1 60 8.0 11 1 0 0 N/A 0 0 0 0 N/A 0 0 0 0 Career Totals (Full) 16 25 396 24.8 15.8 60 6.7 18 1 2 31 15.5 16 0 0 0 N/A 0 0 0 0

 

Recent Career Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL 2010 NY Jets 16 4 44 2.8 11.0 23 3.3 2 0 50 1432 28.6 97 2 0 0 N/A 0 0 1 1 2011 Buffalo 15 23 240 16.0 10.4 36 5.1 10 1 15 282 18.8 28 0 0 0 N/A 0 0 0 0 2012 Buffalo 1 1 16 16.0 16.0 16 0.0 0 0 1 5 5.0 5 0 0 0 N/A 0 0 1 0 Career Totals (Full) 92 88 813 8.8 9.2 36 4.5 37 3 90 2255 25.1 106 3 2 27 13.5 21 0 4 2

Last updated through games completed on Sep 17, 2012

as receivers they have kind of similar stats. I think Rosie has upside on his side. I would actually prefer both were on the team and Smiths catch was big and very nice.(click the word full to see that better)

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If they cut Stevie the first 2 years, he wouldn't have been picked up either maybe,

 

 

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as receivers they have kind of similar stats. I think Rosie has upside on his side.

The hypothetical argument won't work, we kept stevie because they saw enough to keep, Roosevelt, not so much. Look, I get it, you have a soft spot for the locals, but trying to say we should keep an undrafted, undersized, ST player over a sought after free agent going into yr 2 is nuts.

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They should work Brad Smith exclusively at WR, shelve the Wildcat mostly, and have Fitz run more, especially early in games, so that teams know he won't just sit back in the pocket (anymore) and give them something else to think about\/have to defend.

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Had a fairly decent catch on Sunday.

Yeah it was more than fairly decent. It was the best footwork/toe tappin/hands outstretchin/firstDownGettin grab I've seen in a long time.

 

If he can make catches like that I would start him as the 3rd wideout over TJ. Stevie is playing very lukewarm anyway, not a great time to be dumping receivers that know the playbook and have good hands.

 

I honestly didn't think he was capable of catches like that.

 

If anything I would dump Johnny White back to practice squad and bring in Easley or Namaan just for depth at the position. It would have been good to have one of those guys playing in garbage time at the home opener.

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I love all the cut Brad Smith now posts that offer no reasoning at all besides some form of he sucks. At least give a plan/idea on how cutting a player will benefit the team. Keep in mind we have plenty of cap space, it’s not your money and his salary for this year is already guaranteed. I’m a Brad Smith fan. He adds another dimension to our offense and keeps making plays. Sure he’s not an all pro player but he’s a nice role player to have. That catch on Sunday is about as difficult a catch as you’ll see. Give the wildcat more time…it starts out basic and then adds in wrinkles as time goes by. Brad hits a long TD pass in a critical game and people will change their tune. Just having that possibility adds another thing for the defense to worry about.

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I love all the cut Brad Smith now posts that offer no reasoning at all besides some form of he sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brad hits a long TD pass in a critical game and people will change their tune. Just having that possibility adds another thing for the defense to worry about.

See what you did there? It's no different than some people saying Brad Smith should be cut because he sucks. He has never done what you say will change our tunes so what evidence do you have to support him on this team?

 

A few catches doesn't deserve a roster spot IMO but you are correct, his contract is now guaranteed and it would be pointless to cut him now. He really isn't any good for us. He has about 3 plays like he had on Sunday that deserve praise but the rest are easily attainable by our other RBs or WRs we have on the roster. I get the whole, "he's versitle" arguement but he not any good at any of the positions he plays. Dare I sat with more playing time some young prospect like Roosevelt or Easley would be better. Of course it's not a guarantee, but Smith hasn't really shown much to prove his worth. Certainly not $4m a years worth. But hey, it's not my money. I only pay for season tickets, countless hundreds on parking, countless thousands in tailgate essentials, booze for the tailgate, booze in the stadium, jerseys and other Bills memorabilia, countless hundreds in gas to travel back and forth to St John Fischer to watch pointless practices, hundreds of hours that I waste in sick days and vacation days at work to go to games or watch games, and an infinate amount of hours I spend reading about this team, watching this team, spend on this site and post. I don't feel like it's a wste at all ;-)

 

When they start winning going to the playoffs, I'll stop questioning some of the questionable descisions they make and just trust they will do the right things.

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I don't get why people assume that player X (VY, TJax, Freddy, etc...) would run the wildcat better than Smith. Granted it hasn't done much yet, but they showed it yesterday and now teams need to prepare for it a bit. I too would like to see Smith throw out of it at least once to keep the defense honest, but they may be setting that up for a key moment down the road.

And the whole use that money to sign a WR, LB, QB is so silly since A. The Bills are not up against the cap, and B. there are really not any players out there to improve the team.

 

No, teams don't have to prepare for it, not even a bit. Do you really think any team devotes more than a few minutes a week "preparing" for what is essentially a run play? Brad Smith has attempted 8 passes in his career. No one is worried about the Bills wildcat.

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No, teams don't have to prepare for it, not even a bit. Do you really think any team devotes more than a few minutes a week "preparing" for what is essentially a run play? Brad Smith has attempted 8 passes in his career. No one is worried about the Bills wildcat.

You said it perfectly Weo. And let's not forget, for every team that prepares for the wildcat, the Bills actually have to take time away from thier base offense to practice it. The whole "teams have to take time to prepare for it" argument really is 50/50 at best.

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I am baffled by the use of two roster spots for Smith and Potter. The wildcat is just another gimmick but for other gimmick plays you don't have a specialist. Smith brings to mind the analogy jack of all master of none. How can he be good at any of his positions? He has to practice the wildcat, QB, WR, and special teams.

 

If you use a roster spot for a kicking specialist he has to kick the ball out of the end zone what? 90%? Potter kicked off six times on Sunday two were returned, not good enough.

 

Wouldn't those roster spots be better used for a WR that just practices at WR and another DB?

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I am baffled by the use of two roster spots for Smith and Potter. The wildcat is just another gimmick but for other gimmick plays you don't have a specialist. Smith brings to mind the analogy jack of all master of none. How can he be good at any of his positions? He has to practice the wildcat, QB, WR, and special teams.

 

If you use a roster spot for a kicking specialist he has to kick the ball out of the end zone what? 90%? Potter kicked off six times on Sunday two were returned, not good enough.

 

Wouldn't those roster spots be better used for a WR that just practices at WR and another DB?

Pretty sure Potters returned kicks were into a head wind. But I'll add that Potter has proved in just 2 games and 4 preseason games more than Brad Smith has in over a season. We have essentially been in the drivers seat so far as far as field position is concerned. That's worth a roster spot In my mind. I'll give Smith a few catches for first downs or a few WC runs for first downs but there's no proof to validate that any other RB or WR couldn't have picked that up instead. Heck, CJ is running for an average of a first down whenever he touches the ball right now. Nobody can claim Brad Smith in any formation is better than CJ.

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People that see value in Brad Smith

- The Bills Front Office

- The Bills Coaching Staff

- Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff

- The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league

- Small group of posters on this board

 

People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value

- large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board

 

 

So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes!

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Considering the lack of FG attempts in weeks 1 & 2 I'd say that Potter has been much more valuable than Lindell. Heck, you could've deactivated Lindell and played a regular position guy....I'm sure Potter could have nailed the extra points.

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See what you did there? It's no different than some people saying Brad Smith should be cut because he sucks. He has never done what you say will change our tunes so what evidence do you have to support him on this team?

 

A few catches doesn't deserve a roster spot IMO but you are correct, his contract is now guaranteed and it would be pointless to cut him now. He really isn't any good for us. He has about 3 plays like he had on Sunday that deserve praise but the rest are easily attainable by our other RBs or WRs we have on the roster. I get the whole, "he's versitle" arguement but he not any good at any of the positions he plays. Dare I sat with more playing time some young prospect like Roosevelt or Easley would be better. Of course it's not a guarantee, but Smith hasn't really shown much to prove his worth. Certainly not $4m a years worth. But hey, it's not my money. I only pay for season tickets, countless hundreds on parking, countless thousands in tailgate essentials, booze for the tailgate, booze in the stadium, jerseys and other Bills memorabilia, countless hundreds in gas to travel back and forth to St John Fischer to watch pointless practices, hundreds of hours that I waste in sick days and vacation days at work to go to games or watch games, and an infinate amount of hours I spend reading about this team, watching this team, spend on this site and post. I don't feel like it's a wste at all ;-)

 

When they start winning going to the playoffs, I'll stop questioning some of the questionable descisions they make and just trust they will do the right things.

Actually, I think my post is different. You cut out the whole middle of my post where I explain why I think cutting him now is pointless but then go on to agree with part of that reasoning. You don’t have to agree with me but it’s not like I just stated he’s the man and left it at that. I said…or at least what I was trying to say in that point is that there is a possibility of him throwing the ball and if he hits one for a deep TD, people would change their tune. You’ve been on TSW long enough to see how some posters completely change their outlook from week to week. Kind of like how after week 1, this team was going 0-16 but now that we won a game, the sky isn’t falling quite as fast anymore. With our offense and the limitations that Fitz has, we need as many different dimensions as possible to give the opposing defense as many different things to work on as we can. The more time they have to spend on our wildcat, even if it is only for a short time, the less time that they have to work on other things to disrupt us.

 

Let me be clear, I like Brad Smith but as player #46 on this roster…1 guy that can do a bunch of different little things to help us win. He’s pretty good on special teams (other than KO returns) and has stepped up to make some plays at WR when we needed him. I also don’t think we cut some diamond in the rough to keep him on the roster.

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if only we were tight on funds. but since we are not - why be upset?

I couldn't care less about what money he makes, why is he on this roster? What has he done in 18 games now? Nothing memorable to me and I have seen every snap of every game. He loses yardage more often then he gains any yards. The couple times he has thrown he makes Trent Edwards look like Joe Montana. The only thing he has done halfway decent since he was signed was when he filled in as receiver, and when he does that he can't stay healthy. I would rather see them fill that roster spot with Naaman Roosevelt or someone who can contribute on gameday.

 

People that see value in Brad Smith

- The Bills Front Office

- The Bills Coaching Staff

- Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff

- The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league

- Small group of posters on this board

 

People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value

- large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board

 

 

So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes!

Your post is quite accurate, sadly though those armchair GM's are proving to be far more correct then any of the above individuals you listed. Nice try though.

 

The Bills version of the wildcat is a big JOKE! Smith hands the ball off to Spiller. They're paying Smith a couple mill a year to hand the ball off to Spiller in the wildcat. Fitz can hand if off to Spiller and they wouldn't need Smith. That would save them a couple mill. :doh:

Now come on, every once in awhile he keeps it himself or a 2-4 yard loss or at best no gain. Give the guy a break.
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People that see value in Brad Smith

- The Bills Front Office

- The Bills Coaching Staff

- Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff

- The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league

- Small group of posters on this board

 

People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value

- large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board

 

 

So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediately so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes!

 

Soooo true. If you're in the "you don't have to prepare for it" group, you've pretty much just admitted that you have never worn a jock in your life or been in a football practice at any level.

 

Nothing memorable to me and I have seen every snap of every game.

 

Maybe you should open your eyes or sober up when watching? Smith made an amazing catch to keep a drive alive when the game was still close and the offense was sputtering. But like most armchair fans, I guess if it wasn't a TD it didn't matter, right?

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People that see value in Brad Smith

- The Bills Front Office

- The Bills Coaching Staff

- Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff

- The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league

- Small group of posters on this board

 

People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value

- large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board

 

 

So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes!

Except the Bills FO and coaching staff has barely used him to any potential. Overpaid for sub average overrated player of many positions.

 

Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff loved him so much they let him walk in FA. Regardless of how much they say they miss him or wanted him on thier team, if you truly want someone you don't let them walk for nothing. Instead they got a REAL WR, even if he was out of the league for a few years. And probably the best option for a WC QB available.

 

The same idiot announcers that everyone complains about that can't get anything right or the fact that they can't remember names or numbers of the guys in thier particular games.

 

There's a small group of posters here that just can't get over the fact that the WC doesn't work other than picking up 2-3 yards or the fact that Brad Smith is an overrated, overhyped, overpaid chump that NONE of us would feel comfortable about having him in as our starting QB, or starting WR, or starting KRer.

 

The "Experts" might have spoken but those are the same experts that think Samchez is a good QB, Fitz is a good QB, the Jets are the greatest team on the planet, the Bills are moving to Toronto, etc.... The kist can go on and on. When we all knew that Edwards was absolutely horrible and should have been cut, this same "Expert" coaching staff decided to give him more time to see if he was any good. So I will add that the so called "armchair GMs" might be just as knowledgable as some of the so called "experts".

 

Here's some other winders over the years that many people on this board knew even thought the so called experts hadn't seen it.

 

Greer

Peters

Jackson

Stevie Johnson

Spiller

etc...

 

And the list of players the so called experts knew would be great.

Fitz

Edwards

McCargo

McKelvin

Youboty

Poz

Whitner

Maybin

Dockery

Walker

Etc.....

 

 

It works both ways. When you call us Brad Smith and WC haters idiots for seeing past the BS, we can simply say the same about the WC and BS fans for falling for the false crap that the "experts" feed you.

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Soooo true. If you're in the "you don't have to prepare for it" group, you've pretty much just admitted that you have never worn a jock in your life or been in a football practice at any level.

 

 

 

Maybe you should open your eyes or sober up when watching? Smith made an amazing catch to keep a drive alive when the game was still close and the offense was sputtering. But like most armchair fans, I guess if it wasn't a TD it didn't matter, right?

I had my eyes open and i don't drink, but apparently you do-"Amazing"?????????
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People that see value in Brad Smith

- The Bills Front Office

- The Bills Coaching Staff

- Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff

- The Announcers who talked about Smith being one of the best Wildcat QBs in the league

- Small group of posters on this board

 

People that believe brad Smith Sucks and has no value

- large group of Armchair GMs on an Internet message board

 

 

So there you have it, the experts have spoken, Brad Smith is worthless and should be cut immediatly so they can join in the bidding Frenzy that is the Roosevelt sweepstakes!

 

Ok, now your bullsh**t has reached a new level. The one of the best wildcat QBs in the league? Well that is your proof right there that the WC is a joke. As a "QB" (wildcat or otherwise), Smith's stats almost nonexistent. He has completed 4 passes in 5 years (1 more than Moorman). He has run 22 times in the past 2 seasons at 4.2 a carry (mostly on 1st and 2nd downs--not for 3rd down conversions). He has caught 35 passes in the last 4 years.

 

Those are the "stats". No need for an armchair to raise the question the OP raised.

 

And suggesting that GMs/scouts/HCs, etc, are not capable of making errors in jugement or evaulation (and claiming lay people are not able to make the correct judgement other than by luck) is so obviously wrong that I don;t know how you can say that with a straight face.

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No, teams don't have to prepare for it, not even a bit. Do you really think any team devotes more than a few minutes a week "preparing" for what is essentially a run play? Brad Smith has attempted 8 passes in his career. No one is worried about the Bills wildcat.

In his NFL career sir! He was a qb in the college years as you surely know.

" No one is worried about the Bills wildcat."

seems like a whole bunch of folks here abouts are quite concerned if not outright outraged that this is going on under Nix's watchful eye.

I will continue to be vigilant about this. I was delighted to actually see it used last week. A bit rough but was fun to root for. The passing is the key. He's gotta throw. Someones besides Fitz gotta throw for the formation to make it respectable

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