CBD Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) WGR Sports Radio 550 has learned through a league source that after exchanging contract proposals from one side to the other, the Bills and Johnson are $2 million per year apart in talks at this point in time. The exact number being offered to Johnson by the Bills isn't known to this point, but the source said the difference between the organization's offer and the counterproposal made to Buffalo is $2 million per season. http://wgr550.com/Source--Bills-and-WR-Johnson--2-Million-Apart/10974301 Edited September 21, 2011 by Carey Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 http://wgr550.com/Source--Bills-and-WR-Johnson--2-Million-Apart/10974301 youtube.com/watch?v=qWKpCmPdGmM&ob=av2e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 If this is true, given all of the variables in an NFL contract it seems like they should be able to come to terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 That's actually better shape than I thought these negotiations would be in. If true, are the Bills offering $5mil and he's asking for $7mil? Maybe it's $6mil vs $8mil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 That's actually better shape than I thought these negotiations would be in. If true, are the Bills offering $5mil and he's asking for $7mil? Maybe it's $6mil vs $8mil? I'm thinking more 7 v 9 or 8 v 10. If the Bills came to TSW and learned that Stevie was way better than Lee Evans who the Bills paid 9 million to, they would have to start the negotiations by offering over 14-15 mil per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) He'll be resigned. He's a warrior and a perfect representation of our team. That being said, how long until he's traded for a fourth round pick? I kid, I kid. Edited September 21, 2011 by bills1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 That shouldn't be hard to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Stevie has not yet proven to be worth those numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightinIrishBills Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Stevie has not yet proven to be worth those numbers Um, yes, he has. The rest of the NFL market would agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I'm thinking more 7 v 9 or 8 v 10. If the Bills came to TSW and learned that Stevie was way better than Lee Evans who the Bills paid 9 million to, they would have to start the negotiations by offering over 14-15 mil per year. That's my guess. 4 years and we are closer to 30 and he's closer to 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 That's my guess. 4 years and we are closer to 30 and he's closer to 40 He's not Larry Fitzgerald. I'd be surprised if the Bills go higher than $5-6m per yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He's not Larry Fitzgerald. I'd be surprised if the Bills go higher than $5-6m per yr The Bills paid Evans 9m per yr. He's better than Evans, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Nix has said repeatedly that we will re-sign our key players. Stevie and Fitz will get deals. If Fred keeps performing the way he has been he might even get a bonus! Now can all the rollercoasters please stop crying "Ralph is cheap" and "we don't re-sign players". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He's not Larry Fitzgerald. I'd be surprised if the Bills go higher than $5-6m per yr Your right, he's not. Larry got 8 yr 120mil I said 4 year 30-40 as where I think the talks are Larry is 15m per, mine was between 8-10 given the talks of a gap of 2m. I think you need to look at who has signed 5m deals lately. They aren't clearcut #1 on their team. I think these talks are mid range up and coming #1 WR talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 The Bills paid Evans 9m per yr. He's better than Evans, right? He is potentially better than Lee, but I'd like to see him prove it. Also, that was a terrible overpayment for Lee. I don't think we should make the same mistake twice. Your right, he's not. Larry got 8 yr 120mil I said 4 year 30-40 as where I think the talks are Larry is 15m per, mine was between 8-10 given the talks of a gap of 2m. I think you need to look at who has signed 5m deals lately. They aren't clearcut #1 on their team. I think these talks are mid range up and coming #1 WR talks. Very good point. The market for a solid #1 receiver is probably closer to $8m. I honestly don't care what they pay him, I'll just be glad they sign him longterm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Now can all the rollercoasters please stop crying "Ralph is cheap" and "we don't re-sign players". I think you're being a bit premature there, Mike. I've seen numerous times in 42 years of following this team that Ralph WAS cheap. We shall see what, if any, wisdom he's managed to accumulate. Remember Ralph recently said that he's finally learned that it's best "to have a scout ... a football guy, as your general manager." Until a few extensions are given to deserving players, Ralph hasn't proven anything to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 WGR also reports the Bills made Fitz and extension offer BEFORE the Oakland game. Now word on whether Fitz's side countered an offer. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 SJ gets 5 years $37.5 million, $19 million guaranteed Fitzmagic gets 4 years $22 million, $8 million guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 SJ gets 5 years $37.5 million, $19 million guaranteed Fitzmagic gets 4 years $22 million, $8 million guaranteed No way Fitz gets less. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Somebody will pay Stevie Johnson 9 million per year. I sure hope it's the Bills. No way Fitz gets less. PTR Fitzgerald makes more than Kolb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I think you're being a bit premature there, Mike. I've seen numerous times in 42 years of following this team that Ralph WAS cheap. We shall see what, if any, wisdom he's managed to accumulate. Remember Ralph recently said that he's finally learned that it's best "to have a scout ... a football guy, as your general manager." Until a few extensions are given to deserving players, Ralph hasn't proven anything to me. Uhhhhhh.....Kyle Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Well....now you see the reason for the cap space we are acumulating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Uhhhhhh.....Kyle Williams? Don't confuse him with facts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Nix has said repeatedly that we will re-sign our key players. Stevie and Fitz will get deals. If Fred keeps performing the way he has been he might even get a bonus! Now can all the rollercoasters please stop crying "Ralph is cheap" and "we don't re-sign players". The deals aren't done yet. But this totally makes up for all of the cryptkeeper's miserly years. Yep, two potential signings did it. Just knowing that there are agents out there...negotiating...it just warms my chicken soup for the Bills fan soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 If the hacks at WGR can be believed (a big "if"), a difference like this at the early stages of negotiations is nothing to lose sleep over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 The Bills will pay for players they feel are worth it. Whether they evaluate their worth correctly is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 FWIW... WGR was reported this morning that the Bills are offering 6 mil per season, and Johnson wants 8 mil per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 FWIW... WGR was reported this morning that the Bills are offering 6 mil per season, and Johnson wants 8 mil per season. In terms of market the $8M seems about right, however I'm not sure how they factor in renegotiating the contract early and upping his minimum salary for this year before they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Give him $7M per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) 2 things- can't they just franchise him next year anyway? And 2- I think he's worth $15 per season and I'll tell you why- he's continuing at the same pace as last year despite the fact that the greatest 37 catch a year/on pace for 16 catches this year decoy in the history of the NFL isn't there every play to take away all the double coverage. Edited September 21, 2011 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 2 things- can't they just franchise him next year anyway? And 2- I think he's worth $15 per season and I'll tell you why- he's continuing at the same pace as last year despite the fact that the greatest 37 catch a year/on pace for 16 catches this year decoy in the history of the NFL isn't there every play to take away all the double coverage. I suppose they could, the franchise tag for this year is $11.5M, seems as though they'd be better off just giving him the $8M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 SJ, FJ, RF...extend these guys or I walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 SJ, FJ, RF...extend these guys or I walk. I say extend Gailey first. He's the reason SJ and RF are about to get a big payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I think he's worth $15 per season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I really don't think Stevie will, but I think he has the potential to pull a Vincent Jackson. I really don't want that. He is too good and worth the pay day. Fitz, in my mind has proven he is the guy around here for the next 6-8 years. He is 28 I think, so we get him under contract until he is 34-36 years old and we'll be ok. We have Thigpen for a few years and then 3-4 years down the road we draft and groom a QB for 3-4 years. Freddie deserves a pay raise. If he does not get a new contract he should hold out next year. I would not have any problem with that. He is deserving and should use the only leverage he has in order to get paid. Since he is only in his third year of carrying the load I can see him playing for 3-4 more years. Maybe not as the featured back down the road, but certainly as the 3rd down back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) Nix has said repeatedly that we will re-sign our key players. Stevie and Fitz will get deals. If Fred keeps performing the way he has been he might even get a bonus! Now can all the rollercoasters please stop crying "Ralph is cheap" and "we don't re-sign players". I think you're being a bit premature there, Mike. I've seen numerous times in 42 years of following this team that Ralph WAS cheap. We shall see what, if any, wisdom he's managed to accumulate. Remember Ralph recently said that he's finally learned that it's best "to have a scout ... a football guy, as your general manager." Until a few extensions are given to deserving players, Ralph hasn't proven anything to me. Uhhhhhh.....Kyle Williams? That's 1 extension by this regime, Mark. Kelsay is another although it's debatable whether that was a good or even necessary move. Kelsay had already gotten a lucrative extension and I'm guessing the team approached his agent and not vice-versa. Now the Bills minimally have 3 extensions that beg do be done. Like I said to Mike. It's a bit premature to act as if this team's front office has their act together. Don't confuse him with facts... How ironic. Edited September 21, 2011 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) In terms of market the $8M seems about right, however I'm not sure how they factor in renegotiating the contract early and upping his minimum salary for this year before they have to. No. In terms of market $8M is sky high, thats calvin johnson, reggie wayne, andre johnson kinda money. In no one's universe is steve johnson in their tier. He deserves to get paid but not as one of the best WR in the game. He's not. Edited September 21, 2011 by K Gun Special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 No. In terms of market $8M is sky high, thats calvin johnson, reggie wayne, andre johnson kinda money. In no one's universe is steve johnson in their tier. He deserves to get paid but not as one of the best WR in the game. He's not. Calvin Johnson: 6 years, $55.5 million + 8.5 million in incentives Andre Johnson: 7 years, $63 million Reggie Wayne I'll give you (for now), he's on the last year of his deal and making $6 million But if you want to talk sky high, here's a reason why I think new receiver contracts might be higher than you expect... Larry Fitzgerald: 8 years, $128.5 million And the franchise tag is $11.5 million. So at $8 million Johnson would be coming in under the money currently being paid to some of the top receivers and, I would guess, under the contracts you will see more and more players getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 No. In terms of market $8M is sky high, thats calvin johnson, reggie wayne, andre johnson kinda money. In no one's universe is steve johnson in their tier. He deserves to get paid but not as one of the best WR in the game. He's not. Salaries are going up. The top WRs are going to be topping $10 million per year in their next deals, as we've seen with Fitz. 8 mil per season for stevie is a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 tell fitz and stevie they can have what they ask for once the pats* have been beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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