Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Yeah I confused things there, The OP stated that about Brown and I was more directing at his comments. I guess he was implying once Dawkins got his show back on and came back in for Brown implied he was benched??

Agree for the most part, these are the same five who last year led one of the best offenses in the league. As for Teller, in 2018 the Bills O line was very bad, that's why Teller got the chance to even play. So 2019 they brought in a bunch of new experienced guys and based on prior years results, don't think they wanted to give the keys to a 2nd year player who looked promising at best at that point. They went with experience. Part of the mess with Ford is due to him missing most of 2020 with injury, so they really didn't have a good feel for whether he was the answer at guard or not. But given he was 2nd round pick, they gave him the benefit of the doubt. Looked good in pre-season, but playing against vanilla defenses too. With many of the moves they've made in the past couple of years, benching Spain and Ford this year, there was improvement the next game (till Brown got hurt) When was Brown benched in week 1? And started week 2?? Was he playing for someone else who got injured?? Did he play a few snaps for Dawkins in week 1? Wouldn't shock me to see them move on from Johnson, however mostly everything listed here as issues are all way above Johnson's pay grade too!

Really, how would anyone possibly know that since he only played 9 games last year and of those 9 only three of them are worth even talking about. He didn't stretch the field as he was hardly on the field.

A 7th rounder who is still in the league in three years is a surprise, can't call them a disappointment in any way.

The only thing that makes any sense to me, seems I've heard in the past the analytics department is whispering in his ear during the game about things like percentage to go, not go for it among other things. Someone miscalculated the distance, maybe added the 10 yards for the end zone twice?? Or he miscalculated the distance?? If someone else, he's not the type to blame them and will take the fault for it himself.

I just want to know about Heather Prusak

The one difference in the KC game we had 3 other players out there on offense. That's over 25% of starters didn't play and 40% of O line which is probably the weakest area of the team including back ups so not sure you really can compare. If we get at least Brown and Knox back next week and still look like this, then is the time to worry. I do agree about not being able to address everything at once. They did draft 3 O linemen this year so also not like they did nothing there and brought in two interesting FA who if one had worked out, would have been helpful. They also brought in a ton of players on the line two or was it three years ago. The problem is with the exception of Brown most are for depth only.

I changed your question a little I think it will be one or the other is back and one gone. I'd be amazed if we either don't sign a good younger FA RB draft one. Depending on the style RB we get will determine which one we keep and which goes. If it's more speed back then Moss stays. If it's a bruiser like Henry, then maybe Moss goes and Singletary stays

My fear is Allen might still find a way to go long or at least considerably longer than 4 or 5 yards. And I wouldn't trust a run call for much of anything.

OK but how do you know that wasn't what the HC wanted and called? I have a hard time believing in the Tenn game on that one drive, not the last one, maybe the one before, that the coaching staff even Daboll called for two consecutive long pass attempts on something like a 2nd and then 3rd and 3 or 4 was it? But that was what JA did. In yesterdays game I don't recall any drives where they were really in comfortable FG range, agree likely needed another 5 or 6 yards to get there and was like 3rd and 16 or so. So JA made a throw for the 1st and failed. But maybe the call was for a short pass to a RB to get a few more yards, but JA felt if I wait another half second Diggs or Sanders is going to break free and will be an easy pass for the 1st down, but instead a rusher gets free and now he has to rush the throw and misses by a lot. Last year if he did that it worked almost every time. Maybe you could try and have a play where all 4 or 5 guys only go out 5 yards, but that many players and defenders in a small area doesn't usually work to well either. That's my point, we don't know for certain that the play wasn't to be a conservative play for a few. The one thing the HC or Daboll could have done to assure the conservative call was executed was to call a running play and go with two RB and two TE so only leaves one WR to even throw to. But do you feel even remotely confident if they tried to run it they'd have gained anything? To me a conservative play call that I'd have some confidence would actually work would be a short pass and maybe that was what was called, but wasn't the play that was executed.

What was the play call, apparently you must know. Maybe it was supposed to be a short throw, but that's again where Allen often decides to go for the kill and throw it long like in the Tenn game think it was on back to back plays. Maybe it was even a run play, but JA checked out of it. As far as the end of the Tenn game, sure they'd have made the kick, but IMO you were deciding between going for it on 4th and less than 1 and making that or a coin flip as the way Tenn was moving the ball if they won the flip in OT, high likelihood they go down the field and score a TD

It's probably good they lost today, gives a chance for all the haters to come out . Last few weeks have been hard on them

His injury also coincides with Browns injury too and this game add in Mongo. Think what really set the Bills back was counting on Ford. Last year was his first year at guard, played the first 5 games, got hurt in the 6th, missed the next two came back lasted about a quarter, got hurt again and was out all year. This year in played all pre-season, looked ok, but really hard to figure out much of anything from pre-season. So the Bills thought they'd be OK there, but quickly found out they weren't. But by then didn't have as many options to go to instead and now kind of playing a shell game to cover for it.

The biggest issue going into this past off season was the Defensive line so using their first two picks there wasn't a terrible decision by any means , they then used their next 3 picks on offense In 2020, their 1st round pick essentially was Diggs, 2nd rounder was on D, but their next three picks were all on offense, besides AJ only one other defensive pick In 2019 their 1st rounder was Oliver, but after that next three picks were all on offense including two 3rd rounders. Late picks did go to the defense And in 2018 you had Allen who they also used other picks on mainly 2nd rounders, then Edmunds, and Phillips, and late picks that year on offense. So really not so sure you can argue that they've ignored the offense as much as the picks they made haven't done so well.

Doyle's a 5th round rookie, being disappointed in him is rather un-fair. Even Basham, he's hardly been active on a team that is sitting 3 D lineman out every week. You could argue that he should be active instead of one of them, however that's up to the coaches. however he's sitting behind two of their DE who were both 1st round picks, one is who was a 2nd and Addison was undrafted, but does have many year experience under his belt. The fact that he's not beating them isn't really that surprising. It's like a comment I read earlier from someone who was disappointed in Sweeney. The fact that a 7th round pick is even in the league in 3 years is actually impressive.

LOL and there's another thread started 4 or 5 days ago, stating Daboll may go to Bears next year and everyone was worried sick about losing him.

The other thing too was resigning all their potential FA, i.e. Milano, Mongo, and Williams. At the time they were applauded for it, in hindsight may have been better spending money elsewhere in particular WRT resigning Mongo, and Williams as opposed to signing a FA lineman. May have been for the amount of money they had available couldn't likely sign anyone better than these two. Though may have been better off only signing one and drafting a rookie lineman for the other spot. Actually the did kind of do this in drafting Brown, Doyle, and Anderson however don't think they planned to need any of them to play this season barring injury.

The dumb defensive penalties didn't help today either.

But if the line could keep the heat off Allen, would it still work? Is it that we can no longer pass block? Is it the Tampa 2 or teams have figured out we can't hold anyone off? At least not with Brown out.

Not completely the same as if you don't win the challenge, you lose one that could be used later. Having said that, do agree if you're going to call the TO may as well throw the flag, but do lose something. Was it the Bills maybe 10 years ago, similar situation, team called a TO, then threw the flag and challenged. Lost the challenge, so now lost two TO's plus a challenge attempt.

Could be. Did think due to cap limitations this past off-season they were still weak in certain spots and were going to need another season of roster changes. Not sure if they figured us out or just very bad play from O-line

When you look at the stats, the difference was the turnovers and penalties. But turnovers were related to the line play and even rest of game weak line play changed everything.

But what did they do on the 9 runs, nothing. I thought they ran too much. LOL Someone pointed out if you take away two 10+ yard runs by Singletary, and he's pretty much done nothing.

Think the bigger issue is the line play. You still need a good line to run too. Not sure if Brown being out is hurting them so much up front and Mongo was playing well for awhile. Last week he struggled too Doubt trading for an O lineman at the deadline would have helped much as the likelihood of getting a starter isn't that good. Could have added depth, but that's not really their issue.

OK was looking for the Around the League thread, didn't see it. Guess I'm going blind LOL