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You ever try launching a 35 yard pass across your body to the opposite side of the field after running for you like for 5 seconds in circles? More often than not this is the way it comes out. The incomplete pass was indeed partially due to this (you are right there) Clay still had a good chance to catch it and probably should have. There is no single point of blame.

Both. But the bad pass has more valid reasons for it.

How dare Josh have ran 30 yds in circles prior to throwing this pass across his body from the opposite side of the field and not put it right on the money!

This is soooo completely wrong. Understand the attempt at a point but... no Running is going to remain part of Joshs game for most of his career. And thats ok. He is bigger, stronger and more athletic that most of the players he is facing. Should be a running threat well into his 30's

never mind lol Horrible catch attempt either way

really? read it. Its about Clay's knees and being in on 4th and 11

Badol makes a good point about personnel , but still a REALLY poor effort to catch that pass by Clay.

forget the bobble. Interference occured

I'd prefer not to tie up that much salary in RB. Not with the rules as they currently exist.

Jerry Rice says Yup. Nobody ever really caught him from behind even though he ran a 4.6

Toast!

Its a one man crusade. Hard to pull off! I'm pretty sure everyone else realizes Shady is still Shady and there are reasons for statistics.

I'm sure the game will end up here within a day or 2 - https://www.timekills.org/bills-video/ Then the number crunchers can watch every play and see the nice 3rd down conversion passes he had called back, along with 2 drops of passes right on the hands. He had about 3 really poor throws. Definitely improving!

By far the most annoying thing that occurs on this site. All just to be right. Who cares?

Good stuff. It's important he notes some of the plays Allen made that didn't count as you can still evaluate off of that (the 2 consecutive 3rd down conversions Allen had passing the ball that were called back).

the only way on the board these days is to really narrow the scope of posters you are able to view

It's hard to believe how transparent the refs show their dislike for JH with these non-calls you speak of. Missed calls happen all over the league but Jerry seems to get nada out of at least 3 blatant "he's literally holding him in place by his jersey" situations every game Now given, Jerry has earned some of that bad rep with refs....but still wow

To be clear I mean Gronk, not Edelman. (not sure if you knew that part) And if you've seen Gronk operate a microphone for 10 minutes, you'd realize he is not a man of calculated nature in any realm. If not, let me share how the Tre and Gronk situation actually went down (yes you could even follow it on the broadcast version)... Tre is assigned coverage on Gronk for a significant number of plays during the game. Tre is a supremely confident individual. Tre doesn't talk trash on the field. As the game progresses, Tre is taking all the same physical opportunities that Gronk usually imposes on others... (Grabbing, Holding, etc. etc.). It's constant and unrelenting. Gronk eventually thinks (or says?) something to the effect of "Get this little gnat off of me" (probably less PC). Gronk pushes back, yells back, complains to the refs, etc etc. bit nothing is happening! He's not getting the calls from the ref... He addresses Tre and Tre just smiles and keeps doing what he does. Finally the water boils over and "Gronk Smash" turns into the dumb reactive "frat boy brah" that is his true identity and always has been and he loses his self control and does the deed. Please by no means proceed to try to tell anyone that Gronk has any involvement whatsoever in calculated psychological warfare and is carrying out the intended plans of high level PATS decisions of intimidation and removal of hope. It's laughable. Gronk hungry - gronk eat

Sorry not buying the 1st part. He's a tool thats all it was. Respect your opinion though

Not saying thought about it. It seemed it was implied that it was an organizational strategy as opposed to an emotional reaction by a dumb Neanderthal of a person.

you believe the Gronk hit on Tre white was calculated in any way? WOW the levels that we have gone to in our Patriot folklore! I didn't think you were susceptible to such things?

True it can part of their human nature but they need to check themselves regularly. My point was more about the timing of the penalty. There's been a disturbing historical trend noticed by some with regard to Pats offensive holding penalties and when they occur in games in relation to the rest of the league (ie. the majority occur when the game is no longer in the balance/competetive)

Did you see the golden offensive holding call on the Pats while the game was still in the balance the other night? I was shocked and had to double-take! It was like seeing a unicorn.

Not gonna happen, nor should it. Not gonna happen next year either. The O was doomed from the offseason. It was pretty obvious. Decisions were made to do away with high priced talent they didn't want on the team long term, affecting cap room and immediate state of replacement. This was going to be a losing season where the Bills focused on solidifying the defense and drafting a QB of the future Whether 7-9 or 4-12, it was going to be a losing season and a lost cause for the offense. Would not trading AJ away (or a vet placeholder) have made us closer to 7-9 and not 4-12? Probably yes. Does it matter? nope. Whether anyone agrees with this approach or not, this IS what is happening. I really don't care one way or the other as long as they have a plan and are proceeding through it (which is obvious) ...

Its halfway through a rebuild, thats why Should be obvious