I don’t know where i stand with Joe Brady

[JustHewIt]

He's doing a fine job.  Stats don't lie at this point, he's like 40 games in.  Some folks just have an idea of what they think an offense should look like and we just aren't going to be that in this iteration

[Shortchaz]

Nothing groundbreaking, when it comes to offensive coordinators, it about the relationship with the quarterback. Frankly, I think the combination is doing well. There’s obviously situational plays that could have better results, but the offense is playing well generally. Could it be better? Absolutely. 
 

we got what we got at this point. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Shortchaz

[Paup 1995MVP]

47 minutes ago, dreadlox said:

I hated that call too, until i saw the replay and Palmer completely blowing his blocking assignment. That should have been an easy 1st down. I don’t see what Palmer provides to this team.

I think you called it correctly on Palmer.  He was better with the Chargers.  Has he had more than a couple big plays all year?  The catch up the sideline against Baltimore late.  And the deep catch against Atlanta.  He has probably missed close to half the games too.  How does his contract look for next year?  Can we cut his ass without much of a salary cap hit?

31 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

If Palmer makes his block Ty picks it up. And it STILL annoys me. Throw past the sticks man.

 

I really think he has a hard time with WRs in general. And yes ours are bad. 

We should have had a play designed there for Shakir 8-10 yards up the field.  

[Billsfanatic8989]

My problem is that a slow start in the postseason against a defense like Denver or Houston could mean....season over. They feast on QB's who have to come from behind. It's a recipe for disaster. 

 

We can't afford any missteps. I'm still not sold on him. I think Allen makes him look better than he is. 

 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

21 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

He's been far more creative these last three games. That nifty little FB dive was cool to seal it. Take away a couple dumb WR screens and he has been quite good. 

Makes no sense that Davis didn't dress and Palmer did.

Imagine if he turns on the tape and sees Shakir catching the ball over the middle. Maybe that will open his eyes. 

They need to go to Shavers a few times next week so there is at least a threat of the pass when he is on the field.

Hopefully Kincaid came out OK and is healthy down the stretch. 

Not sure what to think about Cooks. He is faster and get open more than Palmer, but Palmer at least catches the ball. 

 

Keep feeding the RB and TE

 

Cooks can run.  But his receiving skills are gone.  Get Davis playing and sit Palmer.  And throw the ball to Shavers!!  Would anyone mind if next year we had completely new WR's except for Shakir?

 

Agree though to keep feeding the RB's and TE's.  I have had my negative comments about Knox at times.  But this is the best I can remember him looking in back to back games.  

[Chaos]

The problem with judgeing Joe Brady, is that we really don't know what his mission is.  Because it appears he is saddled with the requirment to cover up the defense's deficiencies at the expense of optimizing the offense. 

Assuming his mission is to optimize the offense this is what I think; he is not innovative. He is predictable. His play designs don't call to mind the top guys in the league. And his situational play calling is questionable.  If he had Drake Maye or Tua has his QB, i think his offense would suck.  I think there is room for improvement.  I don't want an OC who has a vision for an offensive scheme that he fits Josh Allen into.  I think want an OC that can figure out how to use the greatest cheat code in the history of the NFL for 60 minutes a game. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Chaos

[finn]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I mean they’re the top rushing team in the league and in the top 15 passing offense.  He’s doing that with the worst receiver room in the league.  So that’s all super impressive.  But at the same time- they are a bit too unimaginative in terms of self-scouting and changing their tendencies.  That third down screen to Johnson broke me.  

But are they the worst receiver room in the league because of Joe Brady? If he knew his job, maybe the wide receivers would be a lot more than what they are, which is mere blockers. He did nothing with Diggs or Moore, and he's doing nothing with Palmer, Coleman, and Shavers. We're all quick to condemn the talent of these players, but maybe it's Brady who's lacking talent. My guess is that any top free agent wide receiver Beane tries to recruit will balk at playing in Brady's one-dimensional offense. He's got the MVP at quarterback and can't develop a running game. That's certainly not on Allen, and it's not all on the receivers. 

 

The Bills offense is as good as they are because of Allen. They're as bad as they are because of Brady.  

[transient]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I'm a prisoner of the moment.

 

He did a damn good job today.  If anyone is gonna criticize a guy who orchestrated 5 TD's in a row on the road against a rival, I just can't take 'em seriously.

 

So, are you jumping up and down signing his praises over the first half? Prior to the pass to Knox in the second quarter with under 5 minutes to go the Bills had -3 yds passing and 58 yds rushing, or something abysmally unacceptable like that. He had a great half of football plus one drive, prior to that he was dreadful.

[Turf Toejam 34]

That play to Ty I was sitting and wondering if Shavers should have been out there for that play---he would have been able to push the guy outside enough to allow Ty to get the required yardage.   He really half assed it and also his little smile on the false start was not the reaction of a true professional.    

[LabattBlue]

I am praying every night that Michigan is dumb enough to hire Brady.  Please please let it be. 

[JBI$111]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I'm a prisoner of the moment.

 

He did a damn good job today.  If anyone is gonna criticize a guy who orchestrated 5 TD's in a row on the road against a rival, I just can't take 'em seriously.

 

 

That's the point, he didn't, the players did and most of the touchdowns are ad hoc plays that Josh is making up on the run or when the first read is typically not there from his play call. He is very poor at scheming wide receivers open or creating effective pass plays and even though our wide receiver room is, to be kind, woeful, there's enough basic talent to have an effective passing game with Josh at quarterback. They should definitely be throwing to the running backs in the flat far more often as well, which gives Josh another outlet when the play breaks down. They are all very good at catching the ball.

[That's No Moon]

IMO he game plans as though he's actively trying to avoid certain things or to prove a point that they can do something if he wants them to until they get behind. Today's game plan was horrendous, then they reverted to putting multiple TEs on the field, running the ball more, and magically they started moving the ball.

 

They are still wildly predictable and I'm praying they are holding back on the counters and trend busters until the playoffs but I'm pretty sure any of us can guess plays with a pretty high accuracy at this point.

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

even though our wide receiver room is, to be kind, woeful, there's enough basic talent to have an effective passing game with Josh at quarterback.

 

Where if there just isn't though? Elijah Moore is languishing on Denver's PS so it's not like anyone else in the league was going to find a major role for him. Palmer has gotten over 600 yards once in his career. Coleman has seemingly checked out and is only interested in giving his fullest effort on blocking plays.

 

No one is confusing Brady for Sean McVay but no offensive coach out there would be getting consistent production out of this group. In fact the only time I get frustrated with Brady is when he intentionally dials up shots to this horrid WR room, or gets away from the run too quickly. The less we have the WRs involved as pass catchers the more effective our offense is. That has been proven at this point.

[HappyDays]

51 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I am praying every night that Michigan is dumb enough to hire Brady.  Please please let it be. 

 

My excitement level depends on who we replace with him. Is it with Stefanski or McDaniel? If so that's an outstanding outcome and a clear upgrade. Is it, I don't know, Ronald Curry? If that's the likely outcome then I'd rather just keep the year to year consistency.

[VW82]

He's too much like McD in that while he's occasionally brilliant and puts together a coherent scheme based on team strengths, he's too conservative in certain situations. Calling run, run, screen to give the ball back with a chance to put the game away is the kind of crap that loses you games against good QBs. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Josh Allen makes alot of these coaches look better than what they really are. I don't see much imagination from brady and I'm hoping he's replaced in the off season. They rarely throw passes to our main offensive weapon (James Cook) and it's mind boggling to me why they don't utilize him in the passing game more. We're finally utilizing all of our tight ends but why not try Coleman in the slot once in awhile to see what he can do? He rarely uses his players like I just said about Coleman in different scenarios.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I mean they’re the top rushing team in the league and in the top 15 passing offense.  He’s doing that with the worst receiver room in the league.  So that’s all super impressive.  But at the same time- they are a bit too unimaginative in terms of self-scouting and changing their tendencies.  That third down screen to Johnson broke me.  

I think that plays exactly it- right? 
 

ty had a crease. It could’ve worked. But what a frustrating one when it doesn’t.

1 hour ago, transient said:

So, are you jumping up and down signing his praises over the first half? Prior to the pass to Knox in the second quarter with under 5 minutes to go the Bills had -3 yds passing and 58 yds rushing, or something abysmally unacceptable like that. He had a great half of football plus one drive, prior to that he was dreadful.

of the first half coaching issues, he wasn’t tops. Cooks catches that ball clean and you are talking about like 2(?) stalled drives total?

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

If you exclude the Head Coaches who call plays.... of the remaining NFL OCs there are not many I'd take ahead of him. It's basically Josh McDaniels and Klint Kubiak.

 

I strongly suspect he will be an NFL Head Coach next year.

 

Does he have the odd bad playcall and the odd bad series, yes... so does every OC in football. Even the screen we hated at the end today (and I hated it too) works if Palmer executes any sort of block at all. It was well schemed the Bills had three guys vs two outside but Palmer whiffed on the block. 

 

I think a LOT of the criticism that goes his way is unfair. That said the Falcons game (where he got away from Cook) and the Houston game (where I felt like he failed to make any adjustment for the fact his tackles couldn't hold up) were defeats in which he definitely had some culpability. 

 

I think he has done overall a very good job in his two and a half years running this offense. The lack of downfield passing game isn't about scheme or playcalling. It's about players.

 

Yea. I think it was a situationally bad call, but a well designedand schemed play, they had 3 v 2. Palmer just doesn't execute the block.

 

 

I'll add that when you have to live the way the Bills do.......needing to run to set up the pass......it doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

 

That's where the nitpicking by fans originates.  

 

They need to fully lean in to being more committed to running the ball early in games.   

 

At some point I hope that realization sets in.

 

When things go bad, trying to get WR's involved early is often an issue.  

 

When your WR room is trash it's hard to string together the combination of pass-pro, route running, accuracy/placement AND catching the ball against a fresh defense.

 

They run the ball so well(including having the greatest run game force multiplier ever in Allen) that they don't need to play the game like most teams do.   

Edited 1 hour ago by BADOLBILZ

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Cooks can run.  But his receiving skills are gone.  Get Davis playing and sit Palmer.  And throw the ball to Shavers!!  Would anyone mind if next year we had completely new WR's except for Shakir?

 

Agree though to keep feeding the RB's and TE's.  I have had my negative comments about Knox at times.  But this is the best I can remember him looking in back to back games.  

I would love it,but we have the same guy choosing the WR's

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He is doing a lot with a little but also somehow still not quite enough?

also, this team really needs Cook going...the moment he has some space, the game plan changes completely