Let’s talk D

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

15 minutes ago, BananaB said:

2 TDs last week with poor angles by Poyer.  Not sure it’s angles or just being to slow to make the play. Some people were happy about his 15 tackles but that don’t impress me when a team is getting run over for 4 quarters and can’t get off the field. 

Poyer made some 1-1 tackles in the run game that saved us big time, so did Bishop. The DL/ LB play sucks.

[JohnNord]

It starts up front.  You have players who don’t hold their gaps and keep the second level defenders clean.  Aside from Jones, the other DT’s struggle with this.  As much as Walker has flashed at times he’s shown some bad reps in run defense.

 

On the second level you have defenders who miss tackles - or who can’t get off block namely Bernard but also Williams, Milano, Poyer, Johnson and the CB’s all have fallen victim to this as well.  
 

I don’t think they have the true run stuffer they need and it’s seems like it’s a philosophical thing because they value pass rush over run stuffing   I want to see them sign Kaleb Saunders and rotate him with Jones 

Edited 10 hours ago by JohnNord

[Comebackkid]

size and athletiscm, cant get off blocks....gap entegrity sucks at times.    poor tackleing, lack of awareness.   thats most of the run D issues. 

 

Pass D is some of the same with speed not disrupting routes.   bad awareness...   reacting instead of acting.   way to large of holes in zone. 

 

 

[bigK14094]

26 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

After this game, the Bills may be dead last in run D. 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Outside of Hoecht and Oliver, the rest of the D is for the most part healthy. 
 

After ten games in, what needs to change? Is the run game D issues the DL or LB? The secondary looks somewhat better but that soft zone on 3rd and long has to change. It’s embarrassing watching the Bills D consistently giving up easy 3rd and long conversions.

 

Pass rush is lackluster and there is no one that is even remotely consistent enough. Far too often the pass rush is neutralized. We are not a very good blitzing team either. 
 

Would love to hear other’s thoughts on how this D improves down the stretch?  There is no calvary coming so unless we plan on winning every game in a shootout something has to change!

I don't think Bernard is healthy, he is having trouble running.  Chasing Mayfield, he was slowwww.  Has had a bad ankle all season.  Others are somewhat dinged too.  I would not go with for the most part healthy.  Look at the injury report and see who played.

[Don Otreply]

17 minutes ago, Process said:

Thompson > Milano

Lewis > Johnson

Hancock > Poyer

Hairston > White

 

Not saying all of these moves should happen, but they are conversations worth having. 

Those moves should very likely happen, it’s just that Sean won’t do it, jmo. Sean loves him some worn out old slow guys,  lol, this defense It’s HC/DC and his scheme is and will continue to be the bane of our team, Sean has done a huge amount of good in Buffalo, that can’t be argued otherwise, but man, this defense…, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I have several ideas but I’m sure none of them will happen 

 

-scrap the zone. Pretty self explanatory. It doesn’t work. I’ll live with the occasional guy getting beat over the top. I can’t stand watching guys settle in and have anything they want on 3rd down.

 

-stop rotating so much. No other team insists on constantly putting the worse players in. I don’t care about fresh legs if the guys that have them are backups

 

-play more base defense. I want 3 LBs on the field as much as possible 

-play less alignments where the edge is being set by the corners. It’s too much to ask. Put them in man and stop the run with guys that belong there 

 

-put the better guys on the field. that sounds like a joke but we don’t do it. 7,8,27 belong on the bench. It’s truly that simple.

 

-stop giving so much freedom underneath. We don’t get there. The ball is coming out to fast. So get up in the WRs face and get hands on someone. 
 

-set the tone. Play physical. Enough of this ***** soft shell bend but don’t break. I want to bend the players backwards and break the other teams will. A defense should be playing fast and loose. Coming downhill. Making you uncomfortable. We should be frustrating teams and causing teams to tap out. Not falling back praying for mistakes. Go make them make one. 
 

the problem with the defense is the scheme. It’s the coach. It’s McDermott. We have good players on that side of the ball. We have spent plenty of resources on it and a good DC could have this group at the top of the league. I have zero faith in this guy to change. He owes it to all of us and he definitely owes it to Josh. There are lots of in house fixes that can make us significantly harder to play against but unfortunately this coach is clueless. He needs to be removed from the room and allow an independent thinker to fix the mess he made 

[Carmel Corn]

I don’t have any stats, but my eyes tell me that our secondary has too make way too many tackles on running plays, meaning our front 7 can’t stop the run.  Coupled with the fact that our pass rush is weak, we don’t blitz and we play too soft of a zone all means our defense won’t win a championship.  If the personnel selection is based on a McD scheme philosophy, then we need a change.  I still miss Schwartz as our DC.

[atlbillsfan1975]

27 minutes ago, Process said:

Thompson > Milano

Lewis > Johnson

Hancock > Poyer

Hairston > White

 

Not saying all of these moves should happen, but they are conversations worth having. 

I like this but would adjust slightly

Williams> Milano

Thompson> Bernard -unless Bernard can find another gear. 

[BananaB]

11 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Poyer made some 1-1 tackles in the run game that saved us big time, so did Bishop. The DL/ LB play sucks.

So am I suppose to forget the 4 long tds he was eating dust the past 2 games? 

[SCBills]

19 minutes ago, Dafan said:

Honestly, if the Bills can get back to scoring 30+ points a game.  I dont care about the run D as much.  What ppl also forget to mention, the Bils pass D is #1 for yards per game and #4 overall.  Yes I hate the huge runs. But if Bills are averaging over 30 points scored...running the ball isn't going to beat them that often.

Its always been why our ball control run obsessive offense makes zero sense. 
 

You have to be able to run, yes … but to the extent we’re running:  JA has no juice or rhythm, games are shortened and teams can grind out against our finesse by design gap penetrating Defense. 

[Tulsabillsfanz]

20 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

BB paid out a lot in extensions for Rousseau, Bernard & Benford and all have underperformed.  
 

I guess it will have to be Josh putting the  team on his back.  

If Josh can just account for 6 TDs per game for the rest of the regular season and post season, I think we would have a real chance to win it all!   

[billsfan_34]

45 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

After this game, the Bills may be dead last in run D. 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Outside of Hoecht and Oliver, the rest of the D is for the most part healthy. 
 

After ten games in, what needs to change? Is the run game D issues the DL or LB? The secondary looks somewhat better but that soft zone on 3rd and long has to change. It’s embarrassing watching the Bills D consistently giving up easy 3rd and long conversions.

 

Pass rush is lackluster and there is no one that is even remotely consistent enough. Far too often the pass rush is neutralized. We are not a very good blitzing team either. 
 

Would love to hear other’s thoughts on how this D improves down the stretch?  There is no calvary coming so unless we plan on winning every game in a shootout something has to change!

Need bigger thumpers at LB that can plug gaps and get off blocks. Same with the D line. They don’t get off blocks and tackle poorly in run defense. It’s that simple. The small LB experiment needs to end.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just put 3 Lbs on the field. That cures so many issues 

[Mr. WEO]

Look at the washed up bums they are trotting out there: White, Poyer, Johnson, Philips 

[billsfan_34]

10 minutes ago, BananaB said:

So am I suppose to forget the 4 long tds he was eating dust the past 2 games? 

The one today ole boy blocked Poyer in the back. He was in perfect position to make a play. Totally missed call. Poyer had one heck of a game today. Last week not so much. He is also coaching the heck out of Bishop and we’re seeing the fruits of his tutelage. The game within the game…

[Maine-iac]

38 minutes ago, Process said:

Thompson > Milano

Lewis > Johnson

Hancock > Poyer

Hairston > White

 

Not saying all of these moves should happen, but they are conversations worth having. 

I like all of this.  I'm not sure Hancock is ready but I'm not saying he isn't either.  The only problem is that even with these moves there's nothing stopping teams from creasing our Dline and ripping off big runs.  They paid for Larry they used a fairly early pick on Sanders so they're going to be out there but I'm not sure Logue might not help us out more than either of them.  I'm not happy about saying that.

[The Jokeman]

25 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

BB paid out a lot in extensions for Rousseau, Bernard & Benford and all have underperformed.  
 

I guess it will have to be Josh putting the  team on his back.  

Bishop's interception was critical to our comeback. Part of reason we were in that position was poor play by Josh early.

[MiltonWaddams]

You’d like that, wouldn’t you?

[cage]

Did Hairston play today??  I don't think I saw him a single time

[Einstein]

39 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

The zone is consistently too far off receivers because the Bills dbs are just not instinctive and too old and slow in White and Poyer.

 

 

 

Our zone defense is very frustrating to watch because it’s just pitch and catch for the offense.