4th and 17

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Brand J said:

I’ve noticed Bernard on more than a few occasions and not for good reasons. He always seems to be giving up big plays that he never had before. He was supposed to be an instinctual coverage LBer, but he’s had poor awareness in space this year. 

he has really struggled in coverage this year. Don’t get it.

[Kirby Jackson]

I don’t know if my memory is correct (had a few drinks) but my brother said that they used 4 defensive timeouts (including 4th and 17) and the Chiefs got a 1st every time. Lol, McDermott still sucks but an awesome win!!

Edited 7 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

Sometimes elite players make elite plays.  When Josh pulls some insane play out of thin air, it’s not because the other coach is an idiot.  It’s because Josh is a freak.  Mahomes is pretty good.

 

The throw he made immediately after Epenesa tried to kill him when he was flirting with the sideline again made me take my hat off and tip it to him.

[gonzo1105]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I'm not going to obsess over a 4th and 17 conversion in a tough fought game that we won an hour after the victory. Now isn't the time for that.

 

That said, the problem is clear. It's the "exotic" scheme. Rather than keeping with the top options of teams like Rasheed Rice, we just let them go to the next guy. And too often there's confusion on who's assignment it is with other things going on or they just completely blow the assignment. Crossers are a nightmare for his Defense. 

Tre White would have had to have been the guy in man coverage on that play if they went that route. Not sure I want White running with Rice across the entire field 

[billsfan89]

It was a missed opportunity 4 and 17 you can’t do that against Mahomes and expect to win most games. This team did that and still came up with the big plays to get Mahomes off the field on the next drive and put this game dam near away

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, T.E. said:

It kinda does matter because it is a remainder of two major flaws this team has.

 

1. Poor game management and timeout usage from the head coach.

 

2. The inability to get off the field on 3rd/4th and long.

 

Those are the types of plays that lose playoff games.

I disagree on game management being poor and the ability to get off the field on third and long.  They literally did that today along with the two long conversions.

[T.E.]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I do not freaking understand how somebody in the organization isn't crawling up his ass about his insistence on bailing teams out of their own chaos over and over and over again. I don't hate him but that single issue means that if I ever sit next to him on a plane, he's going to punch me for sure.

I don't want to go as far as to say he panics in those moments, but he is a classic overthinker. Seems to really dislike the idea of just riding with the flow of the game and letting go of control.

[Buffalo03]

23 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hairston changed the dynamic of this defense. 
 

Bosa played out of his mind.

 

front 4 were great all day except….

 

4th and 17 and the defense gives up 29 yards….

 

Of course mahommes goes to lead a td drive and why wouldn’t a bills kicker miss a game tying/putting game out of reach fg?

I think the problem was the FG was rushed. Prater just made it onto the field with 10 seconds and ticking. They had to hurry and get it off. 

[PepeSilvia]

Hail Murray

 

justin jefferson

 

13 seconds 

 

Tre Edmund’s playing man on Chris Godwin in OT vs the bucs 

 

Bass missed fg in 23

 

how many times do we need to see this?  Can it ever just be a decisive win? Ever?

[JohnNord]

27 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hairston changed the dynamic of this defense. 
 

Bosa played out of his mind.

 

front 4 were great all day except….

 

4th and 17 and the defense gives up 29 yards….

 

Of course mahommes goes to lead a td drive and why wouldn’t a bills kicker miss a game tying/putting game out of reach fg?

To me it looked like a miscommunication.  Tre passed of Rice to no one and he was wide open.  Just a communication failure in a critical moment.  It sucked but thankfully we don’t have to hear about “4th and 17” because the Bills got the W

[jkeerie]

12 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

Alls i know is without the timeout, Mahomes was flinging it up for grabs under duress with very little hope. But there was a timeout by McD. After the timeout, the Chiefs had figured out how to get their WR1 WFO beyond the line to gain, because their coaches are good. It was exactly 13-seconds reprised.

People try too hard to lampoon McD's timeouts.  The game was already stopped  because of Hoecht's injury on 3rd down.   I think McD called the timeout after he saw that KC was going for it, and likely wanted to settle down the defense in light of losing Hoecht.  As someone said, Bernard bit on Kelce and left the middle wide open.

[Lionel Hutz]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

Sometimes elite players make elite plays.  When Josh pulls some insane play out of thin air, it’s not because the other coach is an idiot.  It’s because Josh is a freak.  Mahomes is pretty good.

I never said Mahomes isn’t an elite player, but it wasn’t some spectacular play by him. His receiver was wide open.

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hail Murray

 

justin jefferson

 

13 seconds 

 

Tre Edmund’s playing man on Chris Godwin in OT vs the bucs 

 

Bass missed fg in 23

 

how many times do we need to see this?  Can it ever just be a decisive win? Ever?

LOL dramatic much?  Fortunately this one didn’t matter 

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know if my memory is correct (had a few drinks) but my brother said that they used 4 defensive timeouts (including 4th and 17) and the Chiefs got a 1st every time. Lol, McDermott still suck but an awesome win!!

 

No.  Goal line at end of first half. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hail Murray

 

justin jefferson

 

13 seconds 

 

Tre Edmund’s playing man on Chris Godwin in OT vs the bucs 

 

Bass missed fg in 23

 

how many times do we need to see this?  Can it ever just be a decisive win? Ever?

You mean like 40-9 last week?

[ALLinALLEN]

17 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said:

It’s one thing that we couldn’t hold them on 4th and 17. I fully expected that. It’s the fact that McD wasted a timeout to draw up a play and the receiver was still WIDE open in the middle of the field.

Yep. Calls TO and still the guy is naked. The "scheme" he deploys is broken at some threshold. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hail Murray

 

justin jefferson

 

13 seconds 

 

Tre Edmund’s playing man on Chris Godwin in OT vs the bucs 

 

Bass missed fg in 23

 

how many times do we need to see this?  Can it ever just be a decisive win? Ever?

Listen, I get annoyed too, but recognize you are naming 5 games over the course of like 5 seasons.

Edited 8 hours ago by FireChans

[MasterStrategist]

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t know if my memory is correct (had a few drinks) but my brother said that they used 4 defensive timeouts (including 4th and 17) and the Chiefs got a 1st every time. Lol, McDermott still suck but an awesome win!!

Not true. McDermotts defense stopped KC after 1 timeout 

 

And you want to say Mcd Sucked after holding Mahomes, a 1st ballot HOF to <50% compl rate first time in his career?

 

Weird "flex", id tell your brother to listen up to the facts

[Peace Frog]

18 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I do not freaking understand how somebody in the organization isn't crawling up his ass about his insistence on bailing teams out of their own chaos over and over and over again. I don't hate him but that single issue means that if I ever sit next to him on a plane, he's going to punch me for sure.

[billsfan_34]

36 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said:

Hairston changed the dynamic of this defense. 
 

Bosa played out of his mind.

 

front 4 were great all day except….

 

4th and 17 and the defense gives up 29 yards….

 

Of course mahommes goes to lead a td drive and why wouldn’t a bills kicker miss a game tying/putting game out of reach fg?

When its 4th and 17 you do not call a timeout! Pin your ears back and get it. This gave their receivers a blow and probably a better play call in.