We need a downfield passing game

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Yet another thinly disguised “sign John Brown” thread!! 

[BeastMaster]

Completely agree

 

Give the saints whatever they want for either Olave or Shaheed

 

Problem solved

[Charles Romes]

I just don’t want to give up a third and miss out on drafting a great player like DeWayne Carter or Landon Jackson. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Charles Romes

[Sweats]

52 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Elijah Moore could be a deep threat, Curtis Samuel could do it, hell Josh Palmer has the separation numbers for it as well. 

 

The problem is that it's not prioritized as a need. 

 

I disagreed with folks on this earlier this season, but I think it's becoming undeniable: The offensive scheme is built around trying to keep the Bills' defense off the field. Since we have Allen it works and it's really efficient.

 

Frankly I think that's nuts considering our defensive HC. It feels a lot like we're using our strength to cover up our weaknesses, instead of bolstering our strengths to overcome them. 

 

 

 

I heard this too, that the O has been designed to limit the playing time of the D on the field.......which tells me that the FO obviously knows that the D is an ongoing problem.

 

If the FO knows the D is and has always been a problem, if our FO is always chasing that "unicorn" for D in the draft by drafting heavy D and McD is a "D guy", then why are they hiding the fact that McD is not good, by redesigning the O schemes around limiting the D snaps on the field?

 

That, right there, should tell the fans everything they need to know about McD........and how our FO is protecting McD and hiding his shortcomings.

 

..........disgusting

[BVBILLS]

Please Bean, if you are on here, trade for a PROVEN playmaker so you don't get a chance to keep wasting picks on D linemen

[Yobogoya!]

3 minutes ago, BVBILLS said:

Please Bean, if you are on here, trade for a PROVEN playmaker so you don't get a chance to keep wasting picks on D linemen

 

Joke's gonna be on you when he makes that trade - and then gets a late round pick back so that he can waste it on a D lineman 😅

[UConn James]

1 hour ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I think the offense, like it or not, plays to Josh's strengths and avoid his weaknesses.

As big an arm as Josh has, in my memory, he just hasn't been very effective at the long ball / deeeeep pass. The few in recent seasons have tended to be INTs which apologists have then called "arm punts."

Edited 5 hours ago by UConn James

[OldNMBillsFan]

IMO This Offense was built to be a bully, to punish a defense with an 8-minute, 12 play drive resulting in a touchdown. Wearing the opposing defense down and breaking their will. Yes, it does keep the Bills defense off the field, but is that a bad thing? I think it's crazy to want the Bills defense on the field more. And when things are clicking and the Bills are rolling off 6 and 7 yards a play in the late 3rd and 4th quarter, there is nothing better than sitting back and enjoying the beatdown knowing, the opposing team has already quit. 

It's when they try to get cute and be something they are not, that things go bad.

They haven't really played consistently like that this year, hopefully we see it Monday night. 

 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Elijah Moore could be a deep threat, Curtis Samuel could do it, hell Josh Palmer has the separation numbers for it as well. 

 

The problem is that it's not prioritized as a need. 

 

I disagreed with folks on this earlier this season, but I think it's becoming undeniable: The offensive scheme is built around trying to keep the Bills' defense off the field. Since we have Allen it works and it's really efficient.

 

Frankly I think that's nuts considering our defensive HC. It feels a lot like we're using our strength to cover up our weaknesses, instead of bolstering our strengths to overcome them. 

I think hitting some bombs would open up the ball control.  The ball in the air longer gives DBs a chance to recover, but some would be pass interference, some incomplete, and if only a few were big gainers, the field opens.  JA17 should target sidelines and corners. They need to use the cannon 4-5 times a game.  We were doing this his first couple of years.

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Yet another thinly disguised “sign John Brown” thread!! 

I will absolutely take whatever the modern equivalent of John Brown is.

[ngbills]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Example. 2-8. Second play of the game. Here is what Josh is looking at. 

That's, as far as I know, Cover 2 Man. A DEEP SHOP IS CALLED BY BRADY (TRIPS TO THE LEFT), BUT JOSH AUDIBLES INTO A WR SCREEN!!!!

What they need to get back to is more Cook out of the backfield vs this look. You have the WR on right run a slant or drag taking his CB and the S help, then you have Cook out quick to right flat. If they dont send help to WR you have him and if they do Cook should be able to free up. 

[colin]

this is buffalo/mcd arrogance.  not that we don't pass the ball deep, but that we just pick and choose what we feel like with not much consideration to what the other team has in terms of weaknesses or what is or isnt working.

 

we FINALY have gotten exceptional production out of our TE position this season, and our run game is our greatest strength, but we still line up w this dumbazz trips left 4/5 wide outs formations (i know a te will be one of the wide outs, but you don't get the match up of him vs an lb like that).

 

we don't get faster w the wide outs, we do get worse match ups, and it puts us in a worse position to run, and thus play action isn't effective.

 

it's just the fact that brady is a child of an OC learning on the job, because that's how mcd likes his coordinators.

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

We need a downfield passing defense.

 

I agree. We need that too!

6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yes. Call in the BEAR JEW!

If NFL Defenses allowed downfield passes, we would. It’s benn nearly taken out of the game.

 

Not really. Even the Prince got downfield passes completed against a pretty good defense last night. This was in crunch time when KC knew it was absolutely coming.

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Elijah Moore could be a deep threat, Curtis Samuel could do it, hell Josh Palmer has the separation numbers for it as well. 

 

The problem is that it's not prioritized as a need. 

 

I disagreed with folks on this earlier this season, but I think it's becoming undeniable: The offensive scheme is built around trying to keep the Bills' defense off the field. Since we have Allen it works and it's really efficient.

 

Frankly I think that's nuts considering our defensive HC. It feels a lot like we're using our strength to cover up our weaknesses, instead of bolstering our strengths to overcome them. 

 

This is what I think as well. You don't need Tyreek Hill just to have a downfield pass game. I think Josh is told to just take the underneath throw all the way up until we are in trouble and he has to put his cape on to win a game. Dink and dunk may win us some games but its not going to win the big ones.

[billsfan89]

The Bills need a WR on the outside that can separate consistently. Kincaid has been a nice target but he's not an outside separator and Keon's just not that boundary WR just yet and may just be more of a contested catch guy. Shakir is more of a zone breaker slot WR and Palmer's competent by far from dynamic. Samuel is more of a gadget guy. 

 

If it were up to me I would strongly be in the market for a Chris Olave trade. The Bills if they were to have a WR core of Olave/Keon on the outside Shakir in the slot with Palmer as a pure WR4 and Samuel as a gadget player I think they would be much more dynamic and consistent at WR. It's not as bad as the WR core was before they traded for Cooper last year but they need a big punch up at WR. I would strongly consider a 2nd round pick swap with a 5th rounder to get Olave. 

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Yet another thinly disguised “sign John Brown” thread!! 

 

Man I loved John Brown. Shame he was only good for so short of time.

3 hours ago, UConn James said:

As big an arm as Josh has, in my memory, he just hasn't been very effective at the long ball / deeeeep pass. The few in recent seasons have tended to be INTs which apologists have then called "arm punts."

 

I think Josh has been fine on 20-30 yard plays. When I say downfield thats really the area I am talking about. Even in misses these passes have to be attempted.

[Scott7975]

56 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

IMO This Offense was built to be a bully, to punish a defense with an 8-minute, 12 play drive resulting in a touchdown. Wearing the opposing defense down and breaking their will. Yes, it does keep the Bills defense off the field, but is that a bad thing? I think it's crazy to want the Bills defense on the field more. And when things are clicking and the Bills are rolling off 6 and 7 yards a play in the late 3rd and 4th quarter, there is nothing better than sitting back and enjoying the beatdown knowing, the opposing team has already quit. 

It's when they try to get cute and be something they are not, that things go bad.

They haven't really played consistently like that this year, hopefully we see it Monday night. 

 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

No it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. I reference it in my op that it needs to be part of our game. Its one dimensional though and if you never attempt the other stuff then they figure out that you are never attempting the other stuff. That makes an already hard thing to do, even harder. Every team needs to occasionally hit at least a couple chunk plays a game.

[warrior9]

11 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

While I agree that a downfield passing attack would be nice, unfortunately, we do not, currently, have the personnel for it.

 

 

You love to hate the WR's and specifically Keon. You overrate and said he's immature etc based on McDermott's benching FOR ONE SERIES. Do you think if he was a problem in the locker room that he would only sit out one series? Do you know how fast Samuel is? 

 

Dalton Kincaid's avg is 14.4, Keon Coleman is 11. Shakir avg is 11 as well.. Josh is 9th in the league in yards per completion. Are you sure we don't have a downfield passing attack? 

 

PS we also have the number 2 RB in terms of yards in the NFL... maybe you need to fking relax and stop being so negative.. holy cow. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Are you all sure ?

 

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that our WR corp "quietly got better"

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I heard this too, that the O has been designed to limit the playing time of the D on the field.......which tells me that the FO obviously knows that the D is an ongoing problem.

 

If the FO knows the D is and has always been a problem, if our FO is always chasing that "unicorn" for D in the draft by drafting heavy D and McD is a "D guy", then why are they hiding the fact that McD is not good, by redesigning the O schemes around limiting the D snaps on the field?

 

That, right there, should tell the fans everything they need to know about McD........and how our FO is protecting McD and hiding his shortcomings.

 

..........disgusting

 

It's the complementary football argument.  If the bills secure the ball and don't turn it over 3 times - the likelihood of that FG at the end of the game being to take the lead are far lower.  It's more likely that FG is to tie, or they need a TD etc.