Where is Landon Jackson ???

[ngbills]

27 minutes ago, FireChans said:

To be fair, we pick late in rounds and it’s harder to find instant contributors.

We pick before PHI and KC

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why is a he a weak prospect at DE?  Most thought he was going to go in the 2nd round, including many here and in the Bills own mock drafts here.  He was never a "weak" prospect at DE, he was always a 2nd to 3rd rounder by most accounts.  McD has notoriously brought rookies along slowly when there were capable guys ahead of them.  

 

When we moved on from Cole, they brought McNugget back and signed Crowder on top of drafting Shakir, a guy who was projected to possibly go as high as round 2 or 3 that slid to us in the 5th - which also prompted coaches and GM's to text Beane upset we got him.  Then Crowder got hurt and McNugget kept proving what many of us new before the season even began, that he had no business starting in the NFL - still no Shakir despite McNugget being so bad they brought back the ghost of Cole Beasley.  Even going into Shakir's 2nd season, Dorsey was very very slow to give Shakir any real reps or targets until literally right before he was fired.  Then Brady took over and Shakir literally came on and went on to lead the team (with both Diggs and Davis still on it) in receiving despite half as many targets that Diggs got the rest of the season.

 

We drafted Bernard in the 3rd round and many people here said he was also a bust because he didn't really play much his rookie season.  Same with Cook, he was brought along slow and many thought he was a part time RB at best who really was just here to catch passes.  Same with AJE, Spencer Brown, Matt Milano, Benford, etc all of which had "bust" or JAG labels early in their careers around here by TSW.  

 

So, no disrespect, not immediately starting or contributing for a rookie in this regime has never been an immediate sign of a wasted pick or a bust.  Does not mean Landon is the next Shakir or Bernard either, just means that we have a crowded DL rotation right now, and for whatever reason he hasn't gotten opportunities yet.  

 

I had put this in another post:

 

I saw posts on some thread questioning why draft him if he's not going to play.  That answer is simple, at the end of this year both Bosa and Epenesa are free agents and even at DT Jones is likely gone along with Phillips and IMO unless Oliver either has a massive year or agrees to a pay cut he could also be gone as he has a very high cap number.  And while he had a great game 1, it's hard to have a massive year when not playing so that could work against him too.

 

Jackson very likely was drafted to replace Epenesa next season, maybe they will re-sign Bosa depending how his year goes and how much he wants, but next years D-line could look much different.

 

PS       Who the hell is McNugget?

Edited Monday at 08:21 PM by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

PS       Who the hell is McNugget?

 

McKenzie - tiny little guy ha

[finn]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why is a he a weak prospect at DE?  Most thought he was going to go in the 2nd round, including many here and in the Bills own mock drafts here.  He was never a "weak" prospect at DE, he was always a 2nd to 3rd rounder by most accounts.  McD has notoriously brought rookies along slowly when there were capable guys ahead of them.  

 

When we moved on from Cole, they brought McNugget back and signed Crowder on top of drafting Shakir, a guy who was projected to possibly go as high as round 2 or 3 that slid to us in the 5th - which also prompted coaches and GM's to text Beane upset we got him.  Then Crowder got hurt and McNugget kept proving what many of us new before the season even began, that he had no business starting in the NFL - still no Shakir despite McNugget being so bad they brought back the ghost of Cole Beasley.  Even going into Shakir's 2nd season, Dorsey was very very slow to give Shakir any real reps or targets until literally right before he was fired.  Then Brady took over and Shakir literally came on and went on to lead the team (with both Diggs and Davis still on it) in receiving despite half as many targets that Diggs got the rest of the season.

 

We drafted Bernard in the 3rd round and many people here said he was also a bust because he didn't really play much his rookie season.  Same with Cook, he was brought along slow and many thought he was a part time RB at best who really was just here to catch passes.  Same with AJE, Spencer Brown, Matt Milano, Benford, etc all of which had "bust" or JAG labels early in their careers around here by TSW.  

 

So, no disrespect, not immediately starting or contributing for a rookie in this regime has never been an immediate sign of a wasted pick or a bust.  Does not mean Landon is the next Shakir or Bernard either, just means that we have a crowded DL rotation right now, and for whatever reason he hasn't gotten opportunities yet.  

Yes, I should have put in a disclaimer saying that Landon might turn out to be a solid contributor (which I believe will happen, actually). It's far too early to judge him. I 

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, ngbills said:

We pick before PHI and KC

 

No offense, but this is not really accurate:

• 2023 the Eagles had the 10th pick in the draft when they moved up 1 pick to the 9th pick to get Jalen Carter who fell in their lap.  
• 2022 the Eagles had the 15th pick in the draft when they moved up 2 spots to steal Jordan Davis
• I think most people would agree that both those 2 guys were the biggest contributions to their defensive turn around and both were top 13 picks in recent years where the Eagles had much earlier picks than us.

NOTE:  For comparison sake (3rd round DE's)

• 2024 the Eagles took a DE in the 3rd round who has 1.5 sacks and 14 tackles for his career between last year and this year. 
• KC took a DE in the 3rd round this year - he has 0 sacks and 3 tackles.  
  • So apples to apples with KC and Phi on 3rd DE's, neither KC or PHI getting much of anything out theirs thus far either. 
• BONUS - In 2023 KC actually used a 1st round pick on a DE who averages 1.5 sacks and 12 tackles a season and hasn't played in 2025.

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:47 PM by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

19 minutes ago, finn said:

Yes, I should have put in a disclaimer saying that Landon might turn out to be a solid contributor (which I believe will happen, actually). It's far too early to judge him. I 

 

Thats fair, and he also might not.  I just think people forget the paths of many of our best players here started as equally slow or similarly as slow when they had guys playing ahead of them too and didn't feel they had to rush the younger guy out.  And as fans, it can be frustrating when we think the guys out there are not doing that great of a job as it is.  Like I was so frustrated watching McKenzie keep starting at slot when he was terrible at it instead of just getting the rookies feet wet in Shakir.  But, its just how this regime has done things in a lot of these cases, and in some it worked out (Shakir, Bernard, etc) and some it didn't (Elam, Boogie, etc).  

 

All good bud

Edited Monday at 08:50 PM by Alphadawg7

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Yes, it is acceptable, especially on a team with a 4-0 record and serious SB contenders.   Teams with crappy rosters start rookies far more frequently than teams aiming for the playoffs.

 

 

No, we are not all disappointed.  He's a rookie, and right now, his practice work isn't as good as other players, so he's sitting.  Deal with it.

 

 

Hughes was a first round bust when the Colts traded him to the Bills for, IIRC, LB Kelvin Sheppard.  It was a good trade for both teams and both players as well.  Sheppard had a decent NFL career and Hughes became a star for the Bills at a time when they had little to buoy them up.

 

 

I think it already has.   Numerous members of the "Fire Everyone" clan have already chimed in on Jackson being "a bust".

Look! If you’re going to quote actual statistics instead of ranting with nothing to back it up, maybe you need to find a more appropriate venue. Just saying. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, finn said:

Yes, I should have put in a disclaimer saying that Landon might turn out to be a solid contributor (which I believe will happen, actually). It's far too early to judge him. I 

 

Not around here it's not!  Folks here know immediately.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Then he needs to earn his jersey. Simple as that. Unless you want them to be a joke team that hands players jobs they don't deserve like many other teams do (who usually are bottom feeders).

Of course we want him to earn his jersey. Asking a 3rd round pick to be better than Epenesa and Solomon is not too much to ask. Beane has no room to miss on high draft picks with no cap space. It helps Hawes is a beast and Walker looks like a steal. Sanders is playing terribly. He would barely be used if Oliver was healthy.

That 3rd round pick would look a lot better if it was a WR with deep speed or a safety. 

But it is early. He's not even close to a bust yet. 

But just be honest with yourself. The defense is next to last against the run. Wouldn't it be nice if they had a 3rd round pick on the field making a difference??

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Of course we want him to earn his jersey. Asking a 3rd round pick to be better than Epenesa and Solomon is not too much to ask. Beane has no room to miss on high draft picks with no cap space. It helps Hawes is a beast and Walker looks like a steal. Sanders is playing terribly. He would barely be used if Oliver was healthy.

That 3rd round pick would look a lot better if it was a WR with deep speed or a safety. 

But it is early. He's not even close to a bust yet. 

But just be honest with yourself. The defense is next to last against the run. Wouldn't it be nice if they had a 3rd round pick on the field making a difference??

 

They have a 4th round pick doing that now.

[Comebackkid]

21 hours ago, Virgil said:

We saw him at Bar Bill with his family on Saturday.  I hope that helps you find him 😋

 

We also saw Poyer next door getting carry out.  

for a moment i though u said u seen poyer getting carried out...i had to take a second look

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, ngbills said:

We pick before PHI and KC

Philly took Jalen Carter top 10 

 

Jordan Davis top 15 

 

And devante Smith top 10 

 

Bills haven't had a top 15 pick since 2019

 

Three of their best players came in an earlier pick than the bills have had in six seasons

[uticaclub]

The bench

[nedboy7]

Shakir is a bust.  Felt good to finally say it.  

[ColoradoBills]

I remember the days when some of the same posters criticized McDermott and Beane for playing draft picks too much only to protect their jobs.

 

[BillsFanForever19]

11 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Surely you know there's is a massive difference between superstar and not dressing for games. 

Regardless of whether it is too early to call him a Beane bust, it is a significant disappointment that a 3rd round pick cant dress for game day. 

 

Yes, I'm aware of that. But that's still what some posters were expecting. Calling him "Maxx Crosby esque" in threads like these:

 

 

He was always considered a Raw prospect that would need some development. That's why he was available in the 3rd, at a position where if you're thought of as even potentially a low grade starter or difference making 3rd DE out of the gate, you're off the board by the time Day 2 starts.

 

Is it slightly disappointing that he looks so "not ready for primetime" that he hasn't dressed yet? Yes. But this reality was always a lot more likely than he was going to be making an impact from Day 1. Especially on a team like ours.

Edited Tuesday at 05:31 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Sierra Foothills]

13 hours ago, ngbills said:

Jackson and Hairston are 2 of 3 players picked in the top 72 picks that have yet to play a down. 

 

And Jackson Hawes, Deone Walker, TJ Sanders, and Dorian Strong are all hovering at around 100 snaps.

 

This is shaping up as an excellent rookie class.

 

I don't know if you're trolling or just lack perspective.

 

9 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I saw posts on some thread questioning why draft him if he's not going to play.  That answer is simple, at the end of this year both Bosa and Epenesa are free agents... Jackson very likely was drafted to replace Epenesa next season, maybe they will re-sign Bosa depending how his year goes and how much he wants, but next years D-line could look much different.

 

Thank you.

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:33 AM by Sierra Foothills

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, Simon said:

 

They're still working on him in the training room.

 

 

i would definitely sign Frankenstein for DL💪💪💓💓

 

 

On 9/29/2025 at 1:30 AM, twoandfourteen said:

Yet another member of the “Beane's Bust Bus”.

 

Yes hes a bust 4 weeks in 😒😒

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

16 hours ago, transient said:

I find it a little ironic that someone who's been on hiatus for 5 months suddenly reappears and demands to know where others have gone... 

 

Welcome back to the fray, @Buffalo Barbarian. 

 

i demand it 😁😁😅😅

 

14 hours ago, HOUSE said:

He spent the weekend with his brother Michael 

 

EEHEE !!

 

 

[Billl]

23 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

This is why I hate some fans. These draft picks aren’t going to be instant stars right out of the draft. 
 

Kincaid was a 1st round pick, he’s now in year 3 and the lightbulb has finally turned on for him as a complete player. People want him to catch 10 passes a game but he’s making big catches at big times and he’s blocking his ass off. 
 

People wanted to throw Cole Bishop in the trash can already at the start of this season and yes he’s had struggles at times but you can see he’s steadily improving. If you watch the end zone shot of the INT his instincts. 
 

I think we’d all agree that Coleman has improved significantly in year 2 just doesn’t get the target share 

 

Give Jackson some time, he was a 3rd round pick, yes we hope every guy is a superstar that we draft but if Jackson becomes a rotational DE in the NFL for years that’s a success already 

 

 

There’s a ton of room between “instant star” and still having the tags on your jersey.  That said, if there’s any organization that deserves the benefit of the doubt regarding players who are slow out of the gate, it’s the Bills.  It’s one of the reasons I think McDermott deserves a lot more credit than some give him.  He can flat out develop players.