Offensive Line Grades

[dcinmuncie]

4 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Keeping the MVP clean. You already Schnoooww

Ok. So I’m the only diehard bills fan who doesn’t understand this 

 

yes , I know Dion says this 

 

but what is the meaning/origin beyond that?

[gonzo1105]

I think one of McGovern or Edwards will be back next year. I think we'd all prefer it to be McGovern but if they feel McGovern's contract will be huge then bringing back Edwards on a more reasonable deal and then giving Alec Anderson the Center job makes a lot of sense. Can't really franchise tag either guy either since they don't do position specific for franchise tags on OL men and its like 23 million dollars to tag a guy.

[Coach Tuesday]

Beane does not get enough credit (by me and others) for what he has done to build the line.  It was a mess when Allen was a rookie but it is now really good, and they have depth, plus a top tier line coach.  

[BillsPride12]

The narrative around the Bills is that it's Josh Allen and then just a bunch of guys but our Offensive Line is the most underrated component of our team.  Beane has done an excellent job constructing this offensive line so I'll give credit where it's due.

 

Do you guys think Joe Burrow would like playing behind this line?

[RyanC883]

The OL has been amazing.  

[BearNorth]

PFF on their page just ranked Eagles starting OL first, Bronco's OL second Bills OL Third.

BUT their own data doesn't support that.

Bills starting 5 average 80% percentile, Bronco's 77th, and Eagles  61st percentile. 

Wonder who's fact checking some of these articles.

[Capco]

With regards to keeping Kromer around for as long as possible, what's the risk of him being poached by some other team to be their OC?

Like I know it's pretty common for good coordinators to get HC gigs but their coordinator skills don't translate to HC success (aka the Peter Principle).  I'd assume the same is true for position coaches becoming coordinators, and I'm not sure if he'd even make a good OC.  But do we know that he has no desire to keep moving up the hierarchy and is set on being a career OL coach?

[Big Turk]

31 minutes ago, Capco said:

With regards to keeping Kromer around for as long as possible, what's the risk of him being poached by some other team to be their OC?

Like I know it's pretty common for good coordinators to get HC gigs but their coordinator skills don't translate to HC success (aka the Peter Principle).  I'd assume the same is true for position coaches becoming coordinators, and I'm not sure if he'd even make a good OC.  But do we know that he has no desire to keep moving up the hierarchy and is set on being a career OL coach?

 

 Probably low...more of a risk if his contract runs out and another team gives more money/better title like "Assistant HC" or something like that, but from all accounts he really likes it here.  Too hard to find a good OL Coach to let them go without the Bills doing everything in their power to keep them.  Most great OL coaches stay the entire time the coaching staff is together.

Edited September 24 by Big Turk

[Paup 1995MVP]

15 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

So this week PFF is good??

 

I do wonder if they will resign both McGovern and Edwards  or not.  They have also drafted their potential replacements so will be interesting to see as can't afford everyone. 

I would try and extend McGovern and Edwards for 3 years each through the prime of their careers.  My god we paid Rousseau, and he is nowhere near as good at his position as McGovern and Edwards have been at theirs.  

 

And yes Kromer must be a hell of an O line coach.  The proof is in the results.  Sure would be nice if some of our defensive coaches could make a difference like that with their position groups.  Whoever our LB coaches have been seem to have done a pretty decent job with the talent we have.  But can't say the same for the secondary and D Line coaches based on our performances.  I did like John Butler at DB coach.  I think him leaving after the 2023 season was a big loss for us.

[finn]

Didn't see this posted:

 

https://x.com/benbbaldwin/status/1970850177662718211/photo/1

[WideNine]

17 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Beane does not get enough credit (by me and others) for what he has done to build the line.  It was a mess when Allen was a rookie but it is now really good, and they have depth, plus a top tier line coach.  

 

Yeah, remember when the team (probably after consulting our o-line staff) sent Teller to the Browns only for the kid to be a pro bowl or pro bowl alternate multiple times.

 

Sure, we white wash that move with the fact that the picks we got from the browns were packaged for Diggs, but that group of coaches had no clue what they had in Teller.

 

Feel like the staff we have now are better at evaluating and coaching up O-line talent.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24 by WideNine

[hondo in seattle]

I've been complaining about the OL for so many years now that I don't know what else to talk about now that they're good.  

 

I might as well become a Trappist monk and take a vow of silence.  

[Da webster guy]

Its a great offense from top to bottom, and the big uglies make it all possible.

 

If I'm Beane I worry about the special teams (Ravens Hamilton inches away from blocked kick due to blown assignment) and the fact that the kicker and punter we had four weeks ago are both replaced now by free agents nobody wanted.  Maybe they're both going to be fine, and we clean up the blocking assignments, but my Marv Levy trained spidey sense keeps going off w regard to special teams.  Cmon boys, come through for us.....

[TheyCallMeAndy]

22 hours ago, NewEra said:

Kromer is probably the most valuable unit coach in the league.  NEVER let him go until he decides to retire

Basically modern day Dick LeBeau

[appoo]

So Penn State's AJ Harris, a CB, PFF says he gave up a single reception thus far in coverage, for like 35 yards. 

 

Chat, that reception was a bubble screen, where he was isolated, and happened to be playing about 8 yards off the LOS, and the opposition pulled two lineman over to him, and had the defense leveraged, so effectively thr WR caught a screen, and the defender had two lineman blocking him

 

And PFF counted that as a reception/yardage against him. 

 

This is why PFF's grades should be entirely discounted

[machine gun kelly]

21 hours ago, QCity said:

Last season they were in the discussion for top 5. It's probably time to argue if they are #1. Maybe Philly's line slightly edges them out. Denver's OL is also underrated.

I’ve seen different analytics spotting them at #3.  I’d agree.  The interior is actually the strongest of the five.  I’m not banging on the tackles, just the lanes the interior guys have been excellent.  BTW- I love Schnowman and Brown, the enforcer.  No one is more fiercely protective of Josh than Brown.

[billsfan89]

19 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think one of McGovern or Edwards will be back next year. I think we'd all prefer it to be McGovern but if they feel McGovern's contract will be huge then bringing back Edwards on a more reasonable deal and then giving Alec Anderson the Center job makes a lot of sense. Can't really franchise tag either guy either since they don't do position specific for franchise tags on OL men and its like 23 million dollars to tag a guy.

 

I was hoping this team would have extended McGovern prior to the season. Because then you could slide McGovern out to guard and put in Anderson or SVPG at center and draft a guard in the mid-rounds for depth and development. 

[Pete]

6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I was hoping this team would have extended McGovern prior to the season. Because then you could slide McGovern out to guard and put in Anderson or SVPG at center and draft a guard in the mid-rounds for depth and development. 

McGovern will be the next restructure, if we need cap space, imo.  Re-sign the Pizza Man!

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Yeah, remember when the team (probably after consulting our o-line staff) sent Teller to the Browns only for the kid to be a pro bowl or pro bowl alternate multiple times.

 

Sure, we white wash that move with the fact that the picks we got from the browns were packaged for Diggs, but that group of coaches had no clue what they had in Teller.

 

Feel like the staff we have now are better at evaluating and coaching up O-line talent.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes , it was a bad move I don’t even try to play it off and Teller was very good for awhile but his play had not been near as good the last couple of seasons and would argue both Edwards and Torrence have been just as good or better than him for a fraction of the cost. Doesn’t help that we could have had him for 4 years at a high level before those two arrived 

Just now, Pete said:

McGovern will be the next restructure, if we need cap space, imo.  Re-sign the Pizza Man!

He’s in the last year of his deal, it’s either re-sign or free agency 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

McGovern will be the next restructure, if we need cap space, imo.  Re-sign the Pizza Man!

 

I wonder if in the McBeane era has there been a player resigned in season? I know Brown was resigned shortly before the season started. but not in season. I just don't think it is going to happen in season as that's not very common across the NFL. But I would love to be proven wrong because losing two starters along the interior in Edwards and McGovern would be a setback. I get that you have to bring in younger players here and there but I tend to want to cycle out 1 guy at a time. When Morse was lost in 2024 they replaced him with Edwards and shuffled around the line but it was only 1 in and 1 out.