MNF Week 3 2025: Detroit at Baltimore (no Bills discussion, please)

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Breaking News: even after the loss, Lamar Jackson remains the MVP front runner! 

Stats are so crazy…I thought Goff had an amazing game but it wouldn’t help him in the mvp race because it was just a 200yd 1 td type game 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

80 yards and a TD in garbage time doing some WORK. 

 

Don't forget eating a sack on 4th and goal instead of risking an INT as well 

Haha— yup, gotta tuck the ball to preserve those stats! 

[Norcalbillsfan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

I distinctively remember writing on this message board...that Derrick Henry will be washed up this season AFTER playing us.

 

Well..look at Derrick Henry now. He's not "King Henry."

I was talking to my buddy thats a ravens fan, and I told him I dont understand why no one is talking about Henry not doing much in the playoffs loss last year then single handely  losing the game to the bills week 1, and doing nothing against the browns. And then he fumbles again tonight. But everyone talks about lamar not being able to show up in big moments and wanting to fire Harbaugh. Henry gets zero heat whenever anyone talks about raven losses.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

12 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

We got up on them 38-21 (4th quarter) last year, and Goff was up to the task. Rallied them back as much as possible, 48 - 42 (though it wasn't as close as the score looked). 

 

Still, he threw for nearly 500 yards & 5 TDs against us (with 0 turnovers). Goff isn't a weakness at all.

 

And we won the game correct? 48-42 on our swiss cheese defense. I'm not saying he's terrible but I like my chances when you make them 1 dimensional. 

[Nephilim17]

1 minute ago, MDH said:

Ravens play the Chiefs next week. One of them will be 1-3. Damn that feels good!

I'll be rooting for the Ravens: we have the tiebreaker and the Chiefs (when they get Rice and Worthy back) scare me more to go on a deep run...

[MDH]

1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:

I'll be rooting for the Ravens: we have the tiebreaker and the Chiefs (when they get Rice and Worthy back) scare me more to go on a deep run...

I expect the Ravens to boat race this version of the Chiefs. 

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Stats are so crazy…I thought Goff had an amazing game but it wouldn’t help him in the mvp race because it was just a 200yd 1 td type game 

I just hate the MVP aspect of the media. Isn’t that NBA type mentality? Who cares it consumes too much time. Having said that it’s week 3 .. maybe week 13 is a good time to start looking. But I’m the rare guy who just doesn’t care. 

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Fair point, that was his best pass of the night, how about he rarely (not never) throws into tight windows.

 

That just isn't true anymore. The guy threw 41 TDs last year and you don't think he did that throwing into some tight windows? This is like when people still call Allen reckless with the football. We have to adjust our perspective when players improve.

 

Lamar is pretty clearly the 2nd best QB in the NFL right now IMO. But it turns out the Ravens weren't the super team that everyone thought. Their OL has problems in pass protection, Starks is making rookie mistakes, their front 4 just isn't talented enough, their CB2 is still a big question mark. I think their coaching has a lot to answer for as well.

[strive_for_five_guy]

7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

80 yards and a TD in garbage time doing some WORK. 

 

Don't forget eating a sack on 4th and goal instead of risking an INT as well 

Apparently all the sacks he takes aren’t impacting his QB rating, coming in at 148.1 for the game.  Once again, shows QB rating means squat.

[Simon]

Just now, QLBillsFan said:

I just hate the MVP aspect of the media. Isn’t that NBA type mentality? Who cares it consumes too much time. Having said that it’s week 3 .. maybe week 13 is a good time to start looking. But I’m the rare guy who just doesn’t care. 

 

It isn't just the media.

I bet you can go through this thread and find 50+ mvp comments coming from fans; they are equally as guilty.

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Breaking News: even after the loss, Lamar Jackson remains the MVP front runner! 

Looking at it as a better, he's probably the hottest bet right now.  1-2 and on a stacked roster.  Everyone wants to win big on easy odds but he's not going to get those odds so they are getting in early while his team is 1-2 and can get him at +700 vs getting him at +200.

 

Everything goes back to what the Vegas odds are so I'm not surprised.  I think he will bounce back and do well this season but too many people use the national media, betting odds and stats to decide what they want.  (I left out the other thing because that shouldn't matter, but it does).

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

I just hate the MVP aspect of the media. Isn’t that NBA type mentality? Who cares it consumes too much time. Having said that it’s week 3 .. maybe week 13 is a good time to start looking. But I’m the rare guy who just doesn’t care. 

Yea it’s unfortunate…end of the season all anyone really does is compare stats.  People will remember Goff had a great game tonight for like a month or so then move on sadly 

[DapperCam]

7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Apparently all the sacks he takes aren’t impacting his QB rating, coming in at 148.1 for the game.  Once again, shows QB rating means squat.

Sacks aren't counted in passer rating.

[Governor]

10 minutes ago, MDH said:

I expect the Ravens to boat race this version of the Chiefs. 

Not gonna happen. It’s in KC and the Raven’s pass rush is invisible. KC defense should have no problem staying in that game.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

15 minutes ago, MDH said:

I expect the Ravens to boat race this version of the Chiefs. 

The ravens have so much trouble with the chiefs defense it feels like…I think their only win over the chiefs was due to a CEH fumble when the chiefs were running out the clock

 

chiefs are up 5-1 in the Lamar era I’m pretty sure 

Edited Tuesday at 04:04 AM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Governor]

The locked on Ravens kid just spent 10 minutes in his opening segment claiming that none of this was Lamar’s fault. Yikes.

[The Wiz]

9 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

I just hate the MVP aspect of the media. Isn’t that NBA type mentality? Who cares it consumes too much time. Having said that it’s week 3 .. maybe week 13 is a good time to start looking. But I’m the rare guy who just doesn’t care. 

 

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea it’s unfortunate…end of the season all anyone really does is compare stats.  People will remember Goff had a great game tonight for like a month or so then move on sadly 

And these are the things that rub me the wrong way with the NFL and the media.  They always put players head to head.  Allen/Lamar.  Allen/Mahomes. Brady/Manning. etc, etc.



They don't even play against each other.  Almost every other sport you have to play against them in both offense and defense but in football, nope.  But you are held accountable for the rest of your team for some reason.

[ColoradoBills]

27 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

I hope all these Lions fans hanging out cheering the post-game interviews know enough to form up a phalanx to get to the parking lot.

 

[DapperCam]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That just isn't true anymore. The guy threw 41 TDs last year and you don't think he did that throwing into some tight windows? This is like when people still call Allen reckless with the football. We have to adjust our perspective when players improve.

 

Lamar is pretty clearly the 2nd best QB in the NFL right now IMO. But it turns out the Ravens weren't the super team that everyone thought. Their OL has problems in pass protection, Starks is making rookie mistakes, their front 4 just isn't talented enough, their CB2 is still a big question mark. I think their coaching has a lot to answer for as well.

No argument from me he's a top 4 QB without question. I think there is a tier where everyone is similar (Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow).

But it isn't a coincidence the Ravens have the most blown leads of any team in the last 5 years or so, and he has had very little playoff success. It isn't because he's bad, but his play style doesn't translate as well. And I disagree, the majority of his passes are to players more open than I see on other teams, and he often times creates that situation by buying time in the pocket (which usually works out, but led to 7 sacks tonight). I saw a stat I can't find now, that the Ravens' pass catchers had the most separation of any team last year in the regular season and that matches the eye test.

[Sierra Foothills]

40 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Lots of pouting on the Ravens sideline most of that 4th quarter

 

Henry couldn't even play the last 2 drives after fumbling and falling into the bench

 

I think the criticism of Lamar's play is off base... he's a great QB IMO. However he needs to be more stoic, impassive, and expressionless than he is.

 

He too easily shows his frustration and anger and that's something the great QBs rarely do.

 

36 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Goff isn't a weakness at all.

 

Agreed. Before this era of athletic, mobile QBs who could extend plays, the prototypical QBs were big, immobile guys with big arms and the ability to make every throw like Brady and Manning... and Goff.

 

28 minutes ago, Simon said:

The flak he caught over the first 5-6 years of his career was entirely deserved, imo.

The flak he's been catching over the last two seasons is entirely misplaced.

His work and maturation have transformed him from an entertaining gimmick into one of the best 3-4 QBs in the world.

 

Agree 100%. It's... interesting reading people in this topic who are saying that Lamar and Goff aren't great QBs.