Game week thread - Dolphins at Bills TNF

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

It's really disturbing to me how everyone on here is just dismissing the Dolphins. They're going to come into this game super-motivated. Rumors have it that Bradley Chubb has called another "player's only" meeting, and this time they're not inviting any strippers. Also, it's been reported that McDaniel is taking "assertiveness training" so that he may "reign in accountability." Their bus driver has been told that under no circumstances shall he leave the bus idling in the parking lot. These guys are serious. Some Miami pundits have even suggested that the Dolphins' humiliating performances over the first two weeks have been intentionally self-inflicted in an effort to motivate them for this game. Don't sleep on the fishes!

I could be very motivated to get in the ring & beat Mike Tyson, but that wouldn't stop my funeral from happening the next day. 

[gonzo1105]

25 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

The one part the Dolphins uniquely present is - and has been - the deep passing game that is a challenge to the Bills. The Bills almost never play man coverage against the Dolphins because Hill and Waddle plus Tua who will throw it fast and high when he sees the coverage. Too bad Hairston is not playing or I'd like to see how he challenges the likes of Hill. With that, McDaniels has been trying to build a running attack to balance out teams scheming to take away Waddle and Hill. 

 

I expect the Dolphins may have some success Thursday night against the Bills because McDermott is not going to push to stop the run, daring Fields to pass kind of plan. We are going to see if our D line, especially the new guys without Oliver,  can handle the run defense in trenches. I'd say this is likely a more true indication of how our run defense is than the extreme  cases showed in the Ravens and Jets game to a degree(Miami's O-Line is nothing to write home about).

 

I do have high confidence of the offense against them, assuming we maintain consistency like we have been since last season, not shooting ourselves in the foot with turnovers. If we do not make turnoevers, I think we have 99.99% winning.   

The Dolphins have had their most success against the Bills when they run TE seams, and in breaking routes between the LBs and Safeties that allows them to run after the catch. McDaniel has and is also very big into the screen game with his RBs. Very rarely have the Bills been beaten over the top by them. 
 

The playoff game where Tua had his most success was when McDaniel stuck to the run game, had success and used PA off of it. The Dolphins played that game about as perfect as they could that day and still lost 

[finn]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I'm sure everyone at finshaven is tearing into Tua after this. 

 

 

 

My respect for Mahomes would grow if he had a similar confession about Josh Allen, along the lines of, "Frankly, he can do everything I can do, except that he's bigger, faster, and might have a better arm."

[ColoradoBills]

29 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

The Dolphins have had their most success against the Bills when they run TE seams, and in breaking routes between the LBs and Safeties that allows them to run after the catch. McDaniel has and is also very big into the screen game with his RBs. Very rarely have the Bills been beaten over the top by them. 
 

The playoff game where Tua had his most success was when McDaniel stuck to the run game, had success and used PA off of it. The Dolphins played that game about as perfect as they could that day and still lost 

 

Also, RB screens and swing passes.  Tua is not a running threat, they should spy on Achane.  He leads in targets and receptions.

You take away Tua's safety valve and good things happen for the D.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

33 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

The Dolphins have had their most success against the Bills when they run TE seams, and in breaking routes between the LBs and Safeties that allows them to run after the catch. McDaniel has and is also very big into the screen game with his RBs. Very rarely have the Bills been beaten over the top by them. 
 

The playoff game where Tua had his most success was when McDaniel stuck to the run game, had success and used PA off of it. The Dolphins played that game about as perfect as they could that day and still lost 

Tua didnt play that game. It was their third string QB. Josh had two picks and a fumble that was returned for a TD letting the Fish back into in the second half. Bills D gave up 24. Diggs may have had his best playoff game as a Bill. Stats say Bills gave up 7 sacks. But Josh passed for over 350 and 3 TD carrying the Bills into the next round. 

8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Also, RB screens and swing passes.  Tua is not a running threat, they should spy on Achane.  He leads in targets and receptions.

You take away Tua's safety valve and good things happen for the D.

100% agree with this. 

Gisecki is gone too. He always seemed to come up with big catches against the Bills. 

That said New England was all over Tua. Should be able to get home with just rushing 4 and maybe even 3 at times with a clever stunt. 

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

100% agree with this. 

Gisecki is gone too. He always seemed to come up with big catches against the Bills. 

That said New England was all over Tua. Should be able to get home with just rushing 4 and maybe even 3 at times with a clever stunt. 

 

I had to check who the backups are.

Tanner Conner and Julian Hill.  Not exactly heavy threats in the receiver department.

[fergie's ire]

1 hour ago, PoundingDog said:

The one part the Dolphins uniquely present is - and has been - the deep passing game that is a challenge to the Bills. The Bills almost never play man coverage against the Dolphins because Hill and Waddle plus Tua who will throw it fast and high when he sees the coverage. Too bad Hairston is not playing or I'd like to see how he challenges the likes of Hill. With that, McDaniels has been trying to build a running attack to balance out teams scheming to take away Waddle and Hill. 

 

I expect the Dolphins may have some success Thursday night against the Bills because McDermott is not going to push to stop the run, daring Fields to pass kind of plan. We are going to see if our D line, especially the new guys without Oliver,  can handle the run defense in trenches. I'd say this is likely a more true indication of how our run defense is than the extreme  cases showed in the Ravens and Jets game to a degree(Miami's O-Line is nothing to write home about).

 

I do have high confidence of the offense against them, assuming we maintain consistency like we have been since last season, not shooting ourselves in the foot with turnovers. If we do not make turnoevers, I think we have 99.99% winning.   

Some of the fins fans who are still delusional are hailing the return of the deep ball connection between Tua and Hill after the Patriots game.  There WAS a long completion, but if you saw it, it was emblamatic of the kind of play in that game on both sides of the ball.  Hill Patriot DBs bracketing him front and back.  Tua threw up a ball that looked like a punt.  The defender in front of Hill stayed in front and didn't make a play on the ball.  The DB trailing completely lost the ball (and Hill) and just ran past him...leaving Hill open to catch the ball.  It was one of the ugliest deep ball plays I've ever seen.

[bills742]

 

 

[RiotAct]

Interesting.   If Waddle is out on Thursday, good night nurse, it’s over.

[fergie's ire]

Yes, the Dolphins have poor play and injuries on OL, but how about that defense?  When the Patriots took a knee just before half, it was the first opponent's drive in their two games that did not end in points.

[notpolian]

The real crisis here is we might not get to hear the name Storm Duck Thursday night.

[Blank Stare]

2 minutes ago, notpolian said:

The real crisis here is we might not get to hear the name Storm Duck Thursday night.

That Darkwing’s younger brother?

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

13 minutes ago, notpolian said:

The real crisis here is we might not get to hear the name Storm Duck Thursday night.

When Duck needs a ride he gets it from a teammate. Waddle. 

Edited Wednesday at 12:34 AM by Bob Chandler's Hands

[PoundingDog]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

The playoff game where Tua had his most success was when McDaniel stuck to the run game, had success and used PA off of it. The Dolphins played that game about as perfect as they could that day and still lost 

Different philosophy in team building dictated by what you have in QB. Tua is a tier 2 level QB with unique set of passing skills. So you need talent like Hill and Waddle to complement - that's why I appreciate McDaniels recognition of what it needs for the offense to succeed with Tua (remember Tua was on the brink of a bust before McDaniels arrival in Miami), and truthfully, I'd love to hear what his take on what he thinks is the best complement for Josh Allen if we ever have a chace to hire him as any kind of assistant. But the price to pay for that is you sacrifice somewhere else, in this case the O-Line for the Dolphins. They never have the resources to get Tua the protection he really needs. Beane and McDermott decided to put offensive line above everything else for Allen. It helps to protect the franchise as well as paving the way for getting a complement running attack. Honestly we have more than capable running attack in Cook now, manifested by his contract status, which may not be Beane and McDermott's original plan. The downside is we are not going to be able to afford a DK Metcalf kind of contract ($150 million 5 years) for receivers. 

 

At the end of the day, when both teams are playing well, better talent overall wins. That was the case against Dolphins in Josh Allen era overall with occasional outliers due to weather, bounce of the ball etc. The talent gap looks to be widened in early 2025 season.

[balln]

How does waddle hurt his shoulder overnight ? 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

6 hours ago, fergie's ire said:

Interesting.  Maybe they have mended fences or maybe it was just rumors.  Still....feels both parties have moved on.

 

It looked friendly and playful to me

[BillsFan130]

44 minutes ago, balln said:

How does waddle hurt his shoulder overnight ? 

Did he practice yesterday? If so could be an ed oliver instance where it flared up after mondays practice

[BillsFanForever19]

Flattery will get you nowhere

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Also, RB screens and swing passes.  Tua is not a running threat, they should spy on Achane.  He leads in targets and receptions.

You take away Tua's safety valve and good things happen for the D.

 

I want nothing more than for the Bills to INSIST that Achane is ALWAYS blanketed and then always hit HARD when the ball does unfortunately (for him) end up in his hands. He is the lynchpin to that offense imho. Get physical with him on every possible snap. 

[eball]

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Trap Games don't exist, it's been disproven in many lengthy studies there is no basis to it other than people assigning that when a team loses in a certain percentage of games in certain situations(at a LOWER percentage than is normally expected otherwise, mind you), that somehow this is a "trap" instead of just normal probability.

When is this nonsense going to stop.

 

 

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