The Whatabout Lamar Jackson thread

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Remember when it was all Baker all the time?

The Baker with his "wife" at times were funny. 

[H2o]

6 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Except everyone who knows him says he's a great guy.

And did I say anything about him NOT being a great guy? No. I said sometimes he's hard to understand and that Josh is very well articulated, and has a natural charisma that Lamar does not. 

[Commish]

10 minutes ago, H2o said:

And did I say anything about him NOT being a great guy? No. I said sometimes he's hard to understand and that Josh is very well articulated, and has a natural charisma that Lamar does not. 

"Very well articulated" 😃

[starrymessenger]

20 minutes ago, H2o said:

And did I say anything about him NOT being a great guy? No. I said sometimes he's hard to understand and that Josh is very well articulated, and has a natural charisma that Lamar does not. 

I can agree with saying Lamar is not articulate in his use of the standard lingo. That’s pretty easy to spot. However his teammates and other people who know him think he is personally charismatic which enables him to be a natural leader, like Josh. That’s what I meant by “great guy”.

[3rdand12]

18 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Good god the racism in this thread is insane. Some of you definitely spent too much time back in the day around paint and gas with lead in it. 

so say you whitey pants full of cracker crumbs🧐

 

lol  really really jk

 I mean you are the real Dick Cheney , right ?

[FireChans]

Lamar was a player who entered the NFL with a very unique skill set and has polished his game to be the clear cut second best QB in football right now.

 

i have nothing bad to say about him outside of his playoff woes. 
 

But in a world where if you aren’t Josh Allen, you suck, hes never gonna get a fair shake imo.

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lamar was a player who entered the NFL with a very unique skill set and has polished his game to be the clear cut second best QB in football right now.

 

i have nothing bad to say about him outside of his playoff woes. 
 

But in a world where if you aren’t Josh Allen, you suck, hes never gonna get a fair shake imo.

Josh doesn't even get a fair shake. People actually argue they like Jalen Hurts because he has taken his team got the super bowl. People hold Mahomes as a better QB still despite Mahomes lapsing. Honest to goodness people argue these things. 

[DCofNC]

On 9/23/2025 at 12:34 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

He saved almost 8M dollars in not having an agent FWIW.  Perhaps he wasn't interested in endorsements.  

Did he? Or did he lose 30M by not getting the contract done sooner and playing on the original rookie deal, unlike any other superstar?  Yeah, he’s a real winner in all that. 

[Sierra Foothills]

40 minutes ago, boyst said:

Josh doesn't even get a fair shake. People actually argue they like Jalen Hurts because he has taken his team got the super bowl. People hold Mahomes as a better QB still despite Mahomes lapsing. Honest to goodness people argue these things. 

 

You're right that Josh doesn't always get a fair shake.

 

1) There are those that are saying that Justin Herbert has surpassed him.

2) There has and continues to be reverse-racism being applied to Josh. There are NFL commentators that have said that Lamar, Hurts, and even Stroud are better QBs than Josh.

 

[EssexBill]

On 9/23/2025 at 4:59 PM, May Day 10 said:

Its tough to hire a spokesperson who people cannot understand when he speaks

 

Made me think of this lol

 

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxRSXqokQNrnSw3o890qPtnlt3DCqe33Kn?si=PsraFebDqOaCArm7

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

On 9/23/2025 at 3:05 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

If you guys are lets say out and about and you see Josh standing next to you in line....would you get star struck?  

I would scream like the girls at an Elvis concert. 

[colin]

Lamar jackson has a huge gap of how many people are vocally supporting him on TV (talking pundits and such) and online (baltimore fans are so so active) and his individual (regular season anyhow) accomplishments vs his being in ads.  

 

i wanted us to draft him when he was coming out because I though we wouldn't have a shot at a top qb (before our trade ups) and i figued he was just a much better version of tyrod, and we had shady and i had emotionally given up on us ever having a decent traditional passing game unless we had an all world qb from years of abused fan syndrome.  i was vocal about allen being great when we moved up and drafted him, but i also liked baker and darnold (shows what i knew, i was not a josh rosen guy, i thought he was to frail). 

 

after his first year or two, i was (and still am) aways afraid to play the ravens because they have always had a super talented roster of big nasty fast players and that has always crushed us (nothing made me sadder than seeing the rex ryan jets just mash our faces in, or the game we gave up 300 rushing and passing to the 9ers with the other harbaugh as the corch).

 

in terms of his dominant stats and great regular season record as a starting qb, i kinda hate him by association because i hate the harbaughs so much, and i think similar to his jerk brother baltimore harbaugh is a total front runner, and they pad the hell out of lamar and everyone else's stats in blow out wins vs teams lying prostrate being out of the game in all but physical reality.  

 

when they got henry i thought how the hell did the nfl let barclay go to philly and henry go to baltimore?  i hate both of those match ups for us.

 

i don't really dislike lamar, and he's obviously a great player, but he wears that uniform and except for stopping kc from going to a superbowl (or maybe miami or the cowboys or some team like that who i generally hate) im pretty much always rooting for them to lose.

[Ralonzo]

14 hours ago, FireChans said:

Lamar was a player who entered the NFL with a very unique skill set and has polished his game to be the clear cut second best QB in football right now.

 

i have nothing bad to say about him outside of his playoff woes. 
 

But in a world where if you aren’t Josh Allen, you suck, hes never gonna get a fair shake imo.

 

Nick Wright would like a have a word with you.

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

14 hours ago, FireChans said:

Lamar was a player who entered the NFL with a very unique skill set and has polished his game to be the clear cut second best QB in football right now.

 

i have nothing bad to say about him outside of his playoff woes. 
 

But in a world where if you aren’t Josh Allen, you suck, hes never gonna get a fair shake imo.

Here's where I saw the difference is between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.

 

Lamar has polished his skills to a playstyle that in the right offense (which he has) he's nearly impossible to beat.

 

Josh has taken his skill set and found multiple ways to win. There are games where he needs to throw it 40 times. There are games where he needs to be patient & take what the defense gives him. There are games where he has to carry the ball for hard runs. There are games where he needs to run RPO and hand it off to Cook.

 

Injuries affect all teams, but Lamar is so dangerous because of Derrick Henry whereas Josh can make something happen no matter who you roll out with him.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Josh made an emphasis on improving his preread recognition before the snap. Every offseason he is continuously improving himself  in one area.

 

I kind of get the feeling he is rounding out his whole game which makes him almost unstoppable right  now in his prime but planning for a day when he can’t use his legs as much. 

 

It will be interesting to watch Lamar in those same years when he Father Time begins to slow him down. 

Edited September 25 by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Here's where I saw the difference is between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.

 

Lamar has polished his skills to a playstyle that in the right offense (which he has) he's nearly impossible to beat.

 

Josh has taken his skill set and found multiple ways to win. There are games where he needs to throw it 40 times. There are games where he needs to be patient & take what the defense gives him. There are games where he has to carry the ball for hard runs. There are games where he needs to run RPO and hand it off to Cook.

 

Injuries affect all teams, but Lamar is so dangerous because of Derrick Henry whereas Josh can make something happen no matter who you roll out with him.

Lamar has played in a completely different offense the last two years. He has passed way more and ran far less than he used. 

the way to beat Lamar in 2019-2020 was to stop the run and make Lamar beat you with his arm.

 

IMO, that’s a far less successful strategy now because of his significant improvement passing the football and mastery of the offense.

 

I actually see the Ravens offense and the Bills offenses as quite similar. Very strong running game. Passing explosives are basically coming from their QBs making ridiculous plays that very little other QBs could succeed at. 
 

I think the Ravens are a bit more talented and a bit more physical, but I see more similarities than differences imo. 

[eball]

I hate to say it because I actually like Lamar (and I’m ashamed of myself for referring to him as Lamont in prior years), but he may have the biggest monkey on his back in the league as a QB.  He has, for better or worse, established himself as a stats padding, electric QB during the regular season that doesn’t really seem to get it done consistently when it really matters.  That has now happened twice in three weeks this season, with what many call the best/deepest roster in the NFL (you know my feelings on that).

 

People rag on Allen for “not winning anything” but he has performed light years ahead of Lamar under the brightest lights (playoffs).  What’s more, you just expect Allen to get over the hump at some point and I don’t feel the same way about Lamar.

 

I won’t fear the Ravens if we face them again in the playoffs because I put my chips behind Allen over Lamar every day.

 

[Big Turk]

15 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You're right that Josh doesn't always get a fair shake.

 

1) There are those that are saying that Justin Herbert has surpassed him.

2) There has and continues to be reverse-racism being applied to Josh. There are NFL commentators that have said that Lamar, Hurts, and even Stroud are better QBs than Josh.

 

 

Justin Herbert isn't even in the same conversation. He should probably work on doing better than struggling to score 20 points every game before his name even gets mentioned.  

[eball]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Justin Herbert isn't even in the same conversation. He should probably work on doing better than struggling to score 20 points every game before his name even gets mentioned.  

 

Herbert’s getting the love because Harbaugh gushes over him like he’s God, and everyone loves a Harbaugh sound bite.  No “real” NFL experts put Herbert in Josh’s class.

 

[mjt328]

Lamar Jackson is an incredible player and seems like a great guy off the field too.

He's on pace to be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer, just like Josh Allen.  

 

Ravens fans are just a bizarre group though, to the point it makes it really hard to root for them.

 

I get that ever fanbase is different.  Bills fans are known around the league as rowdy drunks, who do crazy stuff like jump through tables.  But they are also loyal and charitable - to the point of raising thousands of dollars for organizations in other cities (such as Andy Dalton).  Ravens fans are... "Lamar Jackson is the best quarterback to ever play, is the only person to deserve the MVP every single season, every other QB in the NFL is terrible.  I will ignore any stat that says otherwise.  And if you don't agree, you are racist and don't know football."