Bills cuts discussion

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, Trust The Process said:

Including Elam, Brandon Beane wasted a subtotal of 7 premium draft picks in the past 7 seasons from 2018 to 2024.

Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Carter remains to be seen, but at the moment it's not looking good for Bishop and Carter more so.

 

2nd rounders wasted 
Basham
Epenesa 

 

3rd rounders wasted: 
Moss
Singletary

Cooper (Trade)

Douglas (Trade)

We’re not allowed to question the amazing Brandon Beane, he drafted Josh Allen when the WGR guys said not to, so he gets a free pass on every decision he makes remember?
 

We don’t need WRs fellas, we’ve got to draft multiple average D lineman every year for our amazing D that shows up every playoff against KC…No need to find a few playmakers who can develop cheap with Josh and maybe get some separation and make a clutch catch in crunch time. We trust you Beane 🙄

[TPS]

6 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

Including Elam, Brandon Beane wasted a subtotal of 7 premium draft picks in the past 7 seasons from 2018 to 2024.

Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Carter remains to be seen, but at the moment it's not looking good for Bishop and Carter more so.

 

2nd rounders wasted 
Basham
Epenesa 

 

3rd rounders wasted: 
Moss
Singletary

Cooper (Trade)

Douglas (Trade)

Can you define what you mean by wasted?  At the very least, you need to state who Beane should've picked instead and why?  I don't think anyone will argue about Basham, but the rest of your list is questionable.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Assuming Carter is cut, I’m going to reach out to Joe Marino and see if I can get him to conduct some kind of study on how many premium draft picks this team has wasted and cross reference that with other teams. I tend to think the bills are in the top 10 in terms of wasted premium draft picks (1-3). Or maybe we’re just babies. But I intend to find out if there’s any kind of truth to that. 
 

[Simon]

27 minutes ago, ElMarko said:

Blowing a pick” on a player who hasn’t even been on a gameday roster yet?
 

How could anyone say this without looking completely foolish?

 

They can't

[stlbills13]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

huh? Who is going to play corner for this team?

 

We had a "combine" to determine our fantasy football draft order last week. My 5'9, 163 lb, 34 year old self ran a 4.88 40 with 1 rep on the bench press. I think I'm qualified to make the team. 

[JP51]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

If Asante Samuel Jr is that good then he would have been signed by now, he's probably hurt and it's a risky injury that people don't want to give him top dollar for it. Not sure he's worth the risk. 

Yeah, I don't know if he is "that" good or not... certainly not the big contract he is looking for... but my point was really, the fact that Dane was cut I feel like there is more going on behind the scenes than they are letting on... that could be several things... they are confident Max or Tre is coming back soon... they are looking for another CB whomever that might be...  they are gonna PS Dane and bring him back.. I don't know... but I do suspect that they were less than amused with Dane's play and I don't see them not picking up a CB in the near future or updating us on the progress of Tre and Max.

[SectionC3]

31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There's going to be at least one surprise cut.  AJ?

No way, not with Hoecht out.  Who is DE3?  Landon Jackson or stud run defender Javon Solomon?  

[papazoid]

the bills have consistently ranked in the Top 5 for the past few years

 

all GM's have hits and misses

 

we could do alot worse than beane

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 minute ago, papazoid said:

the bills have consistently ranked in the Top 5 for the past few years

 

all GM's have hits and misses

 

we could do alot worse than beane

Top 5 in terms of premium pick success rate? 
I realize this discussion hinges on what you would refer to as a successful pick also. Id say a starter. 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

No way, not with Hoecht out.  Who is DE3?  Landon Jackson or stud run defender Javon Solomon?  

 

Then it would be a surprise wouldn't it?

[appoo]

26 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

From Brandon Beane's first year as GM of the Bills in 2018 through 2024, in rounds 2 and 3, Brandon Beane wasted a subtotal of 6 premium draft picks the past 7 seasons from 2018 to 2024. 

Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Carter remains to be seen, but at the moment it's not looking good for Bishop and more so for Carter.

 

2nd rounders wasted 
Basham
Epenesa 

 

3rd rounders wasted: 
Moss
Singletary

Cooper (Trade)

Douglas (Trade)

Explain how traiding for Ras Douglas is "wasted"?

 

And you realize the vast majority of the NFL draft is "wasted" right? There's only about 6-7 years worth of Draft picks avaialble to on active rosters in the NFL

Edited Tuesday at 03:54 PM by appoo

[jwhit34]

21 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

From Brandon Beane's first year as GM of the Bills in 2018 through 2024, in rounds 2 and 3, Brandon Beane wasted a subtotal of 6 premium draft picks the past 7 seasons from 2018 to 2024. 

Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Carter remains to be seen, but at the moment it's not looking good for Bishop and more so for Carter.

 

2nd rounders wasted 
Basham
Epenesa 

 

3rd rounders wasted: 
Moss
Singletary

Cooper (Trade)

Douglas (Trade)

Agree with other people on:

• Epenesa - not a wasted pick, he got a 2nd contract and is a productive player.
• Singletary - was a good player for Bills and continues to play in the league.
• The Douglas trade was a 3rd for Douglas and a 5th. Don't remember who they got with the 5th. Douglas was good, he was a player rental for '23 and that worked out well. His play fell off last year but that was a "trade for now".
• Cooper - Everyone loved it at the time, maybe it didn't work out as planned but also a trade for now and they did get to the AFC Championship game. 

Basham didn't pan out, Moss either but in 7 drafts if you have 14 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (they may have had more) there's only 2 that didn't really work out (and Moss has played 4 years in the league) that's a very good track record. 

 

And there have been some really good ones: James Cook, Spencer Brown, Terrell Bernard, O'Cyrus Torrence, Dawson Knox, and the McDermott year it was Dion Dawkins. All core players. 

[Trust The Process]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Epenesa and Singletary are absolutely not wastes. One got an extension and the other has remained a productive running back in the league. 

AJ Epenesa has only 21.5 sacks in 5 seasons which averages out to be only 4.3 sacks per season which means he's just another guy and not worth a premium 2nd round pick (54th overall). Just because Epenesa got an extension doesn't make Epenesa a good draft pick, bad stats don't lie.

 

As far as Singletary goes, 3rd round picks should be starters not backups. Singletary is a backup.

[RiotAct]

43 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

sounds like a good idea for a poll.  who else could be the suprise cut?  Shavers would be a mild suprise.  AJ a larger one.  Hamlin (even bigger suprise).  Landon (cutting a high rookie pick).  ? 

0.0% chance we cut any of those last three guys today.  Mark my words.

[TH3]

3 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

AJ Epenesa has only 21.5 sacks in 5 seasons which averages out to be only 4.3 sacks per season which means he's just another guy and not worth a premium 2nd round pick (54th overall). Just because Epenesa got an extension doesn't make Epenesa a good draft pick, bad stats don't lie.

 

As far as Singletary goes, 3rd round picks should be starters not backups. Singletary is a backup.

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[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

From Brandon Beane's first year as GM of the Bills in 2018 through 2024, in rounds 2 and 3, Brandon Beane wasted a subtotal of 6 premium draft picks the past 7 seasons from 2018 to 2024. 

Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Carter remains to be seen, but at the moment it's not looking good for Bishop and more so for Carter.

 

2nd rounders wasted 
Basham
Epenesa 

 

3rd rounders wasted: 
Moss
Singletary

Cooper (Trade)

Douglas (Trade)

 

Epenesa is still on the roster and averages like 6 sacks a year in a rotation.  I don't consider that a waste.  He has the same amount of sacks as the 2nd overall pick from that draft.  

 

Singletary averaged 4.7 YPC and had 16 TDs.  Just because they didn't extend him doesn't make it a wasted pick.  He was a good player for us.  Moss also has more yards rushing than - Dobbins, Akers, Josh Kelley, and Edwards-Helaire from the same draft class FWIW.  

 

[Matt_In_NH]

26 minutes ago, TPS said:

Can you define what you mean by wasted?  At the very least, you need to state who Beane should've picked instead and why?  I don't think anyone will argue about Basham, but the rest of your list is questionable.

dont feed the trolls

[LEBills]

22 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

We’re not allowed to question the amazing Brandon Beane, he drafted Josh Allen when the WGR guys said not to, so he gets a free pass on every decision he makes remember?
 

We don’t need WRs fellas, we’ve got to draft multiple average D lineman every year for our amazing D that shows up every playoff against KC…No need to find a few playmakers who can develop cheap with Josh and maybe get some separation and make a clutch catch in crunch time. We trust you Beane 🙄

Thankfully we signed Cook long term. Otherwise we likely would have drafted another running back in the top 4 round with a sub 5 RAS this upcoming year

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I'm sure this will be the last we'll ever see of Dane Jackson

[streetkings01]

40 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:

From Brandon Beane's first year as GM of the Bills in 2018 through 2024, in rounds 2 and 3, Brandon Beane wasted a subtotal of 6 premium draft picks the past 7 seasons from 2018 to 2024. 

Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Carter remains to be seen, but at the moment it's not looking good for Bishop and more so for Carter.

 

2nd rounders wasted 
Basham
Epenesa 

 

3rd rounders wasted: 
Moss
Singletary

Cooper (Trade)

Douglas (Trade)

I’m confused…..we resigned Epenesa. Douglas gave us a good season and Singletary was our primary RB for 4 seasons…..how were those wasted picks?