Jordan Phillips is back

[Andrew Son]

Just now, eball said:

 

Based upon what they’ve done in their tenure, do you think Beane, McD, and their staffs are “clowns” or don’t know how to build a winner?

 

No, I don't.

 

But many criticisms are valid especially on the free agent front as I don't see a lot of impact coming from there.  Hopefully that changes this year as we will need impact from the likes of Palmer, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi.

 

It's not a great look when, year after year, you throw countless resources at the same group (DL) only to have to continuously go back to the well with guys like Phillips.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

There are like 7 billion people on this planet, yet they keep signing the exact same guy

 

I don't know why people are complaining.  They drafted Josh Allen.  

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

No, I don't.

 

But many criticisms are valid especially on the free agent front as I don't see a lot of impact coming from there.  Hopefully that changes this year as we will need impact from the likes of Palmer, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi.

 

It's not a great look when, year after year, you throw countless resources at the same group (DL) only to have to continuously go back to the well with guys like Phillips.

 

Imagine how many more wins we'd have had every year with a competent front office and coaching staff.  Probably could have won 5 or 6 more per year!

[boyst]

the question should be does the floor of ogajobi rival that of jordan phillips?

the coaches seem to think so.

[SectionC3]

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Fair enough about the Eagles, plenty of their moves fail, but at least they are constantly trying to improve the top and bottom of their roster in creative ways.

I assume you’re not putting Poyer and Hyde on Beane’s track record, because if so that would be generous.

It is, but it’s no coincidence that we traded ahead of Carolina for Dawkins.  I have no doubt Beane had a lot of say as to who to target in that cycle.  

[Gugny]

How is this a surprise to anyone?  

[stevewin]

From all indications this is a move to add him to the PS - not sure why anyone would be upset about that

[BuffaloMatt]

1 hour ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

Which makes even less sense since he doesn't count against the roster. Why bring him in now?

Good point. Trade package for Parsons includes Carter/Oliver

[SoonerBillsFan]

Its comical how long teams take to make their cuts.  I mean you aren't holding any secrets on your 54-90 guys.  

[buffalostu2]

Isn't he a hype machine or tone setter for the D line?  Is it possible that coach just thought the D line room was too reserved?   All the4 nasty guys are in the o line meetings

[Logic]

Let me see if I have this straight.

Brandon Beane traded down to pick Keon Coleman (losing the 5th year option in the process), used the pick he gained to draft a 3T, the coaches forced the guy to play 1T (for which he was not suited), only to see Beane sign a 3T in free agency the very next year who immediately got suspended, use draft picks on two MORE 3Ts (one of whom the coaches are also forcing to play 1T, to which he does not appear suited), and now they're likely going to cut or trade the first 3T-to-1T draftee because the forced position switch predictably didn't work.....

 

...and after all of THAT...

They still only have one viable 1T and they're re-signing Jordan Phillips?

Yikes. Not the finest hour for ol' BBB and his 4D roster chess.

Edited Monday at 06:41 PM by Logic

[Nuncha]

I don't get it...maybe due to Larry O's six-game suspension?  I sure didn't see this coming.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

From all indications this is a move to add him to the PS - not sure why anyone would be upset about that

 

No. All indications are this is a 53 man roster player. 

say what you want....the dude had a sack and a pressure of Mahomes when the AFC Championship was tied at 29 with less than 5 minutes to play inside our 20

[VW82]

26 minutes ago, Logic said:

Let me see if I have this straight.

Brandon Beane traded down to pick Keon Coleman (losing the 5th year option in the process), used the pick he gained to draft a 3T, the coaches forced the guy to play 1T (for which he was not suited), only to see Beane sign a 3T in free agency the very next year who immediately got suspended, use draft picks on two MORE 3Ts (one of whom the coaches are also forcing to play 1T, to which he does not appear suited), and now they're likely going to cut or trade the first 3T-to-1T draftee because the forced position switch predictably didn't work.....

 

...and after all of THAT...

They still only have one viable 1T and they're re-signing Jordan Phillips?

Yikes. Not the finest hour for ol' BBB and his 4D roster chess.

 

We're a SB contender relying on rookies to fill big roles in the interior of our defense. I'm sure they hoped Carter would've developed into something useful. As it stands, he looks like a bust. 

 

Meanwhile, because they didn't have Phillips in camp, they gave valuable reps to their young players. Sanders and Walker will likely contribute this year, but asking them to do so right away in a meaningful role isn't the best winning strategy. 

 

Signing Phillips says absolutely nothing about the long-term expectations for Sanders and Walker. It does say something about Carter, though. 

Edited Monday at 07:03 PM by VW82

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

We're a SB contender relying on rookies to fill big roles in the interior of our defense. I'm sure they hoped Carter would've developed into something useful. As it stands, he might get cut. 

 

Meanwhile, because they didn't have Phillips in camp, they got give valuable reps to their young players. Sanders and Walker will likely contribute this year, but asking them to do so right away in a meaningful role isn't the best winning strategy. 

 

Signing Phillips say absolutely nothing about the long-term expectations for Sanders and Walker. It does say something about Carter, though. 

Nothing you said is untrue.

I just think it's a bad look to spend 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks on 3Ts over the course of two drafts, sign another in free agency for decent money, then STILL wind up having to bring a Jordan Phillips back right before the season.

You'd hope that with the draft capital and free agency dollars spent and with

Oliver
Sanders
Walker
Carter
Ogunjobi

....all of whom are entirely or primarily 3Ts (regardless of where the coaching staff is trying to force them to play)...

The Bills wouldn't need to pull the Jordan Phillips lever again.

But here we are.

 

Edited Monday at 07:05 PM by Logic

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

No. All indications are this is a 53 man roster player. 

say what you want....the dude had a sack and a pressure of Mahomes when the AFC Championship was tied at 29 with less than 5 minutes to play inside our 20

Plus, he knows how to dress for the weather.  Some strengths are undervalued.

🎵Big guy in a little coat🎶

 

[VW82]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

Nothing you said is untrue.

I just think it's a bad look to spend 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks on 3Ts over the course of two drafts, sign another in free agency for decent money, then STILL wind up having to bring a Jordan Phillips back right before the season.

You'd hope that with the draft capital and free agency dollars spent and with

Oliver
Sanders
Walker
Carter
Ogunjobi

....all of whom are entirely or primarily 3Ts (regardless of where the coaching staff is trying to force them to play)...

The Bills wouldn't need to pull the Jordan Phillips lever again.

But here we are.
 

 

Your point stands but I don't see why bringing Sanders or Walker into it yet makes sense. They're rookies, and from everything I've seen/read, they look like really promising players. 

 

The crux of the issue is we whiffed on Carter and got lied to by Ogunjobi, which is why we're in this spot. Also, McBeane usually only carry one traditional 1T on the active roster, so calling everyone who isn't that a 3T isn't correct within the context of their system (i.e. Phillips and Walker will be used as rushers from the 1T spot on passing downs). 

 

Again, I like how they handled the Phillips signing as it gave them a chance to evaluate Carter, Sanders, and Walker. I suspect they had Phillips ready to go the whole time. He's a useful piece. If we need to do this again next year, then you'll have better grounds to make the point you're trying to make. 

Edited Monday at 07:15 PM by VW82

[Nuncha]

21 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Stems back to the JP Loseman years with this guy. 

I don't recall JP LostMan coming back to the team four times....  Phillips is 32, not 42.

Edited Monday at 07:18 PM by Nuncha

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Your point stands but I don't see why bringing Sanders or Walker into it yet makes sense. They're rookies, and from everything I've seen/read, they look like really promising players. 

 

The crux of the issue is we whiffed on Carter and got lied to by Ogunjobi, which is why we're in this spot. Also, McBeane usually only carry one traditional 1T on the active roster, so calling everyone who isn't that a 3T isn't correct within the context of their system (i.e. Phillips and Walker will be used as rushers from the 1T spot on passing downs). 

 

Again, I like how they handled the Phillips signing as it gave them a chance to evaluate Carter, Sanders, and Walker. I suspect they had Phillips ready to go the whole time. He's a useful piece. If we need to do this again next year, then you'll have better grounds to make the point you're trying to make. 

I think he could be a mentor to Walker.  Similar styles.  For 6 weeks before Ogunjobi they are not rolling with 2 rookies and Carter as the reserve DT.  I think Carter is in a tough spot.  Phillips was the better player last year.  I dont think Carter has shown anything to change that. Maybe trade him for a young Db or a 4th or 5th rd pick. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Let me see if I have this straight.

Brandon Beane traded down to pick Keon Coleman (losing the 5th year option in the process), used the pick he gained to draft a 3T, the coaches forced the guy to play 1T (for which he was not suited), only to see Beane sign a 3T in free agency the very next year who immediately got suspended, use draft picks on two MORE 3Ts (one of whom the coaches are also forcing to play 1T, to which he does not appear suited), and now they're likely going to cut or trade the first 3T-to-1T draftee because the forced position switch predictably didn't work.....

 

...and after all of THAT...

They still only have one viable 1T and they're re-signing Jordan Phillips?

Yikes. Not the finest hour for ol' BBB and his 4D roster chess.

The one technique in Sean's defense is not like a traditional zero technique plug in a 34

 

If you're going to line up in a four defensive front rotation you need to have enough push from both your defensive tackles... 

 

The best defensive tackles have the ability to move over the front and not just be pigeonholed to one technique

 

We certainly do have some run stuffers like ogunjobi... But when you sit in nickel like we do 

 

You need penetration... Whoever's lining up at the three technique and the one technique are going to have to both push the pocket and get pressure on the quarterback 

 

 that's why even the one techniques we've drafted like Harrison Phillips are not plugs... Even your best one technique like Dexter Lawrence gets after the quarterback and collapsed pockets

 

Star latulae was a classic plug that we gave a lot of money to and remember how that worked?  people complained daily about him here 

 

Stopping the run is insanely taxing on your body and there's about five 1 techs that make their bread and butter only on that 

 

There's not a list of 25 one techniques who are shutting down the run weekly for years.. it's a small list 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 07:53 PM by Buffalo716