Jordan Phillips is back

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit on that play. 

 

Getting a sack to "hold" the other team to a lead-taking long FG drive with a few minutes left in the game is NOT an all-time play. 

 

An all-time clutch play would've been forcing a turnover for a TD (like Taron Johnson). Or even just a sack to force a punt. 

 

Milano had a more important sack earlier in that game that knocked KC out of FG range and forced a punt 

 

 

 

It was a big time clutch play, was it the most all time clutch defensive play the Bills have ever seen? No. But it would be remembered as a big clutch moment defensively to give Josh the ball back only down 3 instead of 7 which is a big difference. It kept 4 points off the board in the closing minutes of a game. 

[BananaB]

56 minutes ago, chris heff said:

You mean like drafting 3 defensive linemen and 3 defensive backs?

And signing an old vet to play ahead of them🤷🏼‍♂️

[May Day 10]

There are like 7 billion people on this planet, yet they keep signing the exact same guy

[Matt_In_NH]

21 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I get it if he’s odd man out and due to not knowing what we’d get in the Draft, but my goodness…. What a waste of cap space if we cut him.  
 

Not just for this year, but the dead cap for next year as well. 

I agree looking at Spotrac I ruled that out but they were speculating there might be some special circumstances due to the suspension.  Regardless, it is not a good idea to just keep a guy if he is washed because it looks bad on the books.  In some ways I would give Beane credit for a move like that, many GM's just keep hoping.   Beane is not immune from that...

[Charles Romes]

This is more about the Carter pick, which will go down as one of Beane’s worst.  Completely mystifying how you can draft an undersized DT in a premium round given what the needs of the team are. 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

This is more about the Carter pick, which will go down as one of Beane’s worst.  Completely mystifying how you can draft an undersized DT in a premium round given what the needs of the team are. 

 

I'm not trying to argue too much. But DT was/is a significant need, and there really isnt anyone else jumping off the page that went later in the draft.

 

I remember 2024 being noted as a very top heavy draft, and then talent falling off fast after the first 15-20 picks.

 

Bad pick, sure. But not sure there was a better one there (unlike a Metcalf/Brown over Ford).

[Mat68]

7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

This is more about the Carter pick, which will go down as one of Beane’s worst.  Completely mystifying how you can draft an undersized DT in a premium round given what the needs of the team are. 

DT was a need.  Seems like a need based pick and not the best player available. Maybe best available DT but so far not great.  

[Coach Tuesday]

FTR I’m ok with the Carter pick.  The process was sound - that’s the going rate for a 1T and it’s better than overpaying for one in free agency.  I never liked the player (pretty sure I predicted bust at the time) but I can forgive a swing and miss there.  It’s the pro personnel garbage I am really getting fed up with.  This is the “idea” Beane’s pro personnel scouts are bringing to him in late August?  The same guy they’ve signed over and over again?  These guys are clowns when it comes to pro personnel scouting, they completely suck at it.

[Starr Almighty]

I'm assuming the coaching staff didn't like how the players were limiting the run up the middle so they signed Phillips so the run up the middle wouldn't be so limited for the opposing teams. He cant stop the run. He never has. I say this and  I like the guy.

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

FTR I’m ok with the Carter pick.  The process was sound - that’s the going rate for a 1T and it’s better than overpaying for one in free agency.  I never liked the player (pretty sure I predicted bust at the time) but I can forgive a swing and miss there.  It’s the pro personnel garbage I am really getting fed up with.  This is the “idea” Beane’s pro personnel scouts are bringing to him in late August?  The same guy they’ve signed over and over again?  These guys are clowns when it comes to pro personnel scouting, they completely suck at it.

 

The guy made plays in the AFC Champ. He's already on a decent level. We gave him camp off while we tried out a bunch of kids.

 

I saw your post on the Eagles and went and looked at the trades... They brought in Sam Howell as backup QB, and brought back an OL they had on the roster previously. So they wasted a draft pick bringing back OL depth while we wasted nothing bringing back our DT. Same thing, bringing back a guy they had already signed.

 

I'm not getting the anger on this. At least not via your example.

 

I think a lot of us are forgetting we arent in the drought years where we're trying to build a team that can get 11 wins for once. We're an AFC Championship caliber team and roster, and likely a Super Bowl caliber team if everyone is healthy.

 

I guess comparing us to the Super Bowl champs could leave us wanting, and I certainly want only the best. But "clowns"?...

[SectionC3]

18 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

FTR I’m ok with the Carter pick.  The process was sound - that’s the going rate for a 1T and it’s better than overpaying for one in free agency.  I never liked the player (pretty sure I predicted bust at the time) but I can forgive a swing and miss there.  It’s the pro personnel garbage I am really getting fed up with.  This is the “idea” Beane’s pro personnel scouts are bringing to him in late August?  The same guy they’ve signed over and over again?  These guys are clowns when it comes to pro personnel scouting, they completely suck at it.

I think they’re OK.  McGovern, Hollins, two excellent and one good safety, Daquan … There for sure have been misses - Samuel,  Howard, Larry, Mike Edwards.  So maybe OK is the fairest “word.”

[BuffaloMatt]

17 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Carter and or Ogunjobi gone

 

Oliver

Jones

Walker

Sanders

Phillips

My bet is Ogunjobi

[blitzboy54]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

My bet is Ogunjobi

 

Which makes even less sense since he doesn't count against the roster. Why bring him in now?

[DrDawkinstein]

17 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

Which makes even less sense since he doesn't count against the roster. Why bring him in now?

 

Gotta get the big guy in the building and make sure he's as in-shape as we need him to be. He already had camp off.

 

Just a guess

[skibum]

It wouldn't be a Bills season without a Jordan Phillips signing. What the heck, he's a known quantity and the DL depth chart is looking unseasoned and mediocre until Hoecht and Ogunjobi come back. He will probably be inactive until something bad happens, anyway. Also a great teammate and de facto Bill for Life, by somewhat unconventional means. 

 

Also, does anyone know if there is a record for the number of times a player has retuned to the same team after being off that team for whatever reason?

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

And signing an old vet to play ahead of them🤷🏼‍♂️

Teams do it all the time, most rookies are not NFL ready from day one. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 These guys are clowns when it comes to pro personnel scouting, they completely suck at it.

 

All because they may bring Jordan Phillips back?  Wow.

 

 

[Andrew Son]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

 

All because they may bring Jordan Phillips back?  Wow.

 

 

I think it's more that it's a trend.  When does this ever work?

 

Bringing back Phillips, Tre, Dane, Shaq, John Brown, Beasley, Klein, Marlowe...

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The guy made plays in the AFC Champ. He's already on a decent level. We gave him camp off while we tried out a bunch of kids.

 

I saw your post on the Eagles and went and looked at the trades... They brought in Sam Howell as backup QB, and brought back an OL they had on the roster previously. So they wasted a draft pick bringing back OL depth while we wasted nothing bringing back our DT. Same thing, bringing back a guy they had already signed.

 

I'm not getting the anger on this. At least not via your example.

 

I think a lot of us are forgetting we arent in the drought years where we're trying to build a team that can get 11 wins for once. We're an AFC Championship caliber team and roster, and likely a Super Bowl caliber team if everyone is healthy.

 

I guess comparing us to the Super Bowl champs could leave us wanting, and I certainly want only the best. But "clowns"?...

Fair enough about the Eagles, plenty of their moves fail, but at least they are constantly trying to improve the top and bottom of their roster in creative ways.

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

I think they’re OK.  McGovern, Hollins, two excellent and one good safety, Daquan … There for sure have been misses - Samuel,  Howard, Larry, Mike Edwards.  So maybe OK is the fairest “word.”

I assume you’re not putting Poyer and Hyde on Beane’s track record, because if so that would be generous.

[eball]

8 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

I think it's more that it's a trend.  When does this ever work?

 

Bringing back Phillips, Tre, Dane, Shaq, John Brown, Beasley, Klein, Marlowe...

 

Of all of those moves, which one do you think the Bills considered “major” or the missing piece to a Super Bowl roster?

 

Sometimes it’s helpful to bring back a veteran who already knows the culture and standard, rather than a complete unknown.

 

They’ve taken their shots with new guys as well.

 

Based upon what they’ve done in their tenure, do you think Beane, McD, and their staffs are “clowns” or don’t know how to build a winner?