James Cook: "Business" man

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Rousseauisnoschmo said:

Comments like this make it really hard not to be a total smartass and get suspended by the mods for a month.

Cook is not on the same level as Taron Johnson or Christian Benford? 

[NoSaint]

51 minutes ago, Billl said:

There have been 6 ACL injuries so far this preseason so far. A week ago, it looked like Hairston had just joined the list.

there are like 3000 guys in camps 

also an acl in August has him back to full strength next year

 

so like a 1 in 500 chance of an injury that would have him in camp for his new team

now what are his odds of injury working out solo

 

and what increase in risk of injury in sept comes from sitting out in August 

 

and does sitting out hurt perception at all?

 

 

Once you normalize it all out - the risk isn’t super wild is all I’m getting at

[In Summary]

Why does Le'Veon Bell come to mind?

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, RangerDave said:

If Cook makes $15 million, doesn't that leave less money under the cap for the rest of his teammates?

in a given year, sure. but realistically they're all members of the same union, and in the long term larger contracts are better for membership overall

 

put it this way- when it's your turn to get paid you'd expect your coworkers to be in your corner. i mean just because you get a raise it doesnt mean your buddies get less...it's up to the boss/front office/NFLPA cba etc to figure it out

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Assuming it's a basic extension the cap would allow it.  There's no way he'd have all that money guaranteed though.  Spotrac has his value at 4 years $40.8m and the 6th most valuable RB in the NFL.  I think that's pry around where Beane's at.    

let’s say he plays for 5 then signs a 3 for 42…. 4 year 47

 

or he just signs 4 year low 40s now - cash up front and mitigates injury risk…. 
 

it just seems common sense for him to come off his UFA style ask to get a slightly lower deal that does great things for him 

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

let’s say he plays for 5 then signs a 3 for 42…. 4 year 47

 

or he just signs 4 year low 40s now - cash up front and mitigates injury risk…. 
 

it just seems common sense for him to come off his UFA style ask to get a slightly lower deal that does great things for him 

That's what Rousseau, Bernard, Shakir, and Benford did.  I'm sure the Bills already offered him that (around 4 years $42m, $25m guaranteed) and he said no.  My hunch is there's a disconnect between what Cook thinks he's worth and the league consensus.  Maybe let him seek a trade to find that out?

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

Cook’s job right now is to be out there practicing with his teammates, helping the team get better.  So, sitting out practice when he’s healthy means he is NOT taking care of his “business”. 
 

Imagine if every player would just sit out of practice whenever they want and call it “business“.  If there’s no penalties or fines allowed for this selfish behavior, they need to correct this in the next collective bargaining agreement. 
 

I don’t know if this is Cook’s intention, but I think this move by Cook reduces the chances of Buffalo offering him a multi year contract. 
 

I agree Cook has every right to make as much money as he can. I just disagree this is the way to do it.  If he believes Buffalo’s offer isn’t enough, use that perceived slight as motivation.  Get a big injury insurance policy. Then go prove your worth on the field this season and sign next spring for as much as you can get, wherever you choose to sign. 
 

 

 

 

He's taking care of his business.

 

But not the team's business. 

 

This is where the rubber hits the road. He's holding their feet to the fire. There will be consequences, of one sort or another. 

 

For me, this is where I start to get irritated at the selfishness. I'm pretty sure Cook won't care about what I think, though.

[Scott7975]

I have no problem with Cook trying to get his best deal. I also don't think he is worth paying $15m. No idea what Beane is offering him either, but I did see in some thread they were apparently close. If they are just bickering over like 1 or 2 million then I think Cook should be willing to sign that. $15m is too much for a RB not named Barkley or Henry IMO. Cook played great last season but thats just one season.

[Ya Digg?]

26 minutes ago, In Summary said:

Why does Le'Veon Bell come to mind?

Because you’re clearly confused to what’s happening here since the situations aren’t even remotely the same. If you’re gonna go the extreme route, at least make an attempt to reference a similar situation 

[BillMafia716ix]

He wasn’t on the field on the last drive vs. the Chiefs. That tells you all you need to know on how the Bills view Cook. 
 

Very good player but not Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, Johnathan Taylor level. If he’s expecting that kind of contract, he’s not going to get it. 

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

He wasn’t on the field on the last drive vs. the Chiefs. That tells you all you need to know on how the Bills view Cook. 
 

Very good player but not Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, Johnathan Taylor level. If he’s expecting that kind of contract, he’s not going to get it. 

 

In fairness - Henry wouldn’t have been on a similar drive for the Ravens either.  But I agree he’s not those dudes.  
 

Im not sure he’s even Kyren Williams - but I do think he’s better than Pacheco.  
 

All 3 of these guys are going into year 4 without a new deal.  
 

I think the Bills are waiting to see what Kyren gets.  
 

 

Here is an update:

 

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/kyren_williams_has_faith_contract_extension_will_get_done/s1_17078_42533969

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Everything you said is wrong.  Cook is so much better than Davis and Johnson.  To even compare them is laughable.  

Guys don't get bothered by holdouts.  They all want to get paid too.  They know it is a business.  They see that Cook is underpaid.  They support each other.  It does nothing to the culture. 

In any other business if you have a contract that lasts five years, the business can't just tear it up if you get hurt.  How did cutting an injured Tre White affect the culture? 

 

Real men honor their contracts huh????  So why didn't the Bills honor the contracts of Tre White?  Just answer that one question for me...

They did honor it by paying Tre his remaining guaranteed money.  The rest of his contract was payable by being on the roster; which he wasn't.  As much as people don't like the concept of non-guaranteed player money, it's what the players and agents agreed to.  The idea that teams don't comply with their player contracts is not supported by facts.  If a player is cheated out of guaranteed money or benefits, the Union and the player agents would drag a team to arbitration in a heart beat.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Of course it's business.  Except top QBs, all NFL players have a limited shelf life.  Got to get paid when you can.  

I agree.  The Bills hold the cards.  He loses $5 mil if no deal and he sits.  In that case, the Bills gain cash and cap space.  From a biz prospective, he's losing.  The bills are losing less.  A trade would need to be very favorable for the bills to bite imo.

[In Summary]

53 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Because you’re clearly confused to what’s happening here since the situations aren’t even remotely the same. If you’re gonna go the extreme route, at least make an attempt to reference a similar situation 

Relax. It's a joke.

[hikerprof2]

One of my real joys being a Bills fan in Florida was watching Jimmy Johnson as coach of Miami strip Dan Marino of all his talented offensive players, flop over and over at getting a running back, and overspend on a good defense that never delivered championships. One of my great dreads is if some fans on this board get their way- and we let guys like James Cook go, and never get a #1 receiver, because we believe Josh Allen is the only dynamic player we need on offense (OL complicates things -they offer talent but they are not dynamic).

 

James Cook scored 16 td's last year and demonstrated the only big-play capability we had besides Allen himself. We can't chuck him away casually because "culture" or "honor the contract" or any other ideas we often arbitrarily throw at players. That is, if we want a Superbowl. I know I want a Superbowl.

He's also not Derrick Henry or Saquan Barkley. He doesn't get 20 million a year. 

 

If the Bills say 10 mil they are lowballing, if he says 20 he is unreasonable. 15 million may still be too rich for my taste. 12.5 million.

[NickelCity]

9 minutes ago, hikerprof2 said:

If the Bills say 10 mil they are lowballing, if he says 20 he is unreasonable. 15 million may still be too rich for my taste. 12.5 million.

 

Im guessing beane is ok with this but only on a short term contract. It's money X length and I don't know if beane can get to where cook wants. I don't envy him, I'm guessing he's made smart offers. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:30 AM by NickelCity

[pennstate10]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That's not how the players see it tho. GoBills808 had it right. There are tons of interviews of players confirming this. Of course it isnt absolute. I'm sure some do. But by and large, they all want guys to get as much as they can.

 

I’m not talking about what players say or think. 
I’m simply sayin* that itsNOT in their best interest for other players on their team to get max contracts. 
Unless they want to make less themselves.

Its just math. 

It’s a zero sum game. 

[MasterStrategist]

@Simon, glad we could get another thread for the same topic / posts regurgitated all off season lol 😆 

 

Since we're all here to repeat ourselves, Ill take my turn....Cook deserves a lucrative 2nd deal with us.  What is fair? Thats the million $ question.  

 

18 TDs, explosive back who can make house calls from 75+, and young/ascending.  How many NFL backs have that resume?  A handful yes.  The OL last year was very good, not great IMO.  Cook created top 5 yards after contact --- by all statistical metrics  (ahead of Saquon, who had more yards before being touched).

 

Im hoping Beane can find a way to keep him under contract - 3 yr extension for $42m/26m gtd...maybe that gets it done.  Bijan and Gibbs are going to raise the RB pay bar next year, it'd be smart to lock up the contract prior to then --- Im not expecting 18 TDs again, but think Cook can produce 12-14 and be more of an integral piece of passing game.

[Scott7975]

 

[hjnick]

10Mil/yr is more than generous.   Dude can't even block.

 

THIS is why you draft a RB every year so you have a stable full of runners.  same w/ WRs too.