James Cook: "Business" man

[NoSaint]

40 minutes ago, Billl said:

There’s no other business where the billionaire owners have been granted an anti-trust exemption and are able to prevent their employees from getting jobs at competitors.  Why shouldn’t the players use every bit of leverage they have, and why is Joe Sixpack siding with a bunch of billionaires over the people who get their heads bashed in for our entertainment?

Yeah, he’s taking food off of Pegula’s table.

 

Pegula is paying the same revenue split either way. 
 

you are actually just quibbling over how many slices cook gets, not how much pizza to order 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I feel conflicted.   I understand the player position,  yet find it hard to feel any sort of sympathy for a millionaire.  Sometimes I don't think they realize the privilege they have.

[RangerDave]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

because it's in their best interest that their fellow members receive the biggest contracts possible. 

 

now I don't want the Bills to be the team to pay him upwards of $15m/yr either but i def support Cook's attempts to make it happen

If Cook makes $15 million, doesn't that leave less money under the cap for the rest of his teammates?

[H2o]

It is what it is. I'm not going to act like I know what Beane has offered or anything like that. I'm sure it is a significant pay raise over the $5M he's about to make. But whatever it is, it's not enough for Cook to accept. 

 

If he doesn't play, it will have one of two effects. This could potentially be a distraction that derails our season. Or, it could be the distraction that lights a fire under the other guys and catapults them to the next level. Either way, our team is better with Cook on the field.

 

We know Josh is gonna ball out regardless. You saw what happened last year when they shipped Diggs out. We've seen the type of player Ty is. Davis had some flashes. I think we would miss the explosive plays, but we would still manage to keep balance on O. Next man up. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

23 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Did he sign a contract??? 

Yes or no?? 

Enough said 

 

Real men honor that *****

Go ball out and get paid in free agency next year, this is immature,  amateur hour bs 

I’m sure you’re a nice fellow but try and understand contracts have meant nothing in professional sports for years. It’s about leverage and a team’s evaluation of whether it’s in their best interests to sign a player to another contract and for how much. It’s a negotiation that starts the year before the rookie contract expires.Remember, a player averages 4 years in the NFL and if he gets injured they will dump him in a finger snap. Stop with the “real men” BS. These guys are just entertainers with a short window to earn and the negotiation starts the year before their rookie contract expires. Did you complain when Benford got extended or Bernard before their contract expired? You can’t compare a contract in business to the NFL.  Don’t diminish great players who make our team SB contenders. Remember the mediocrity of bad personnel decisions over 2 decades when you couldn’t watch games after the middle of November.

[Mango]

30 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

Demanding 15 million dollars per year instead of ten when there is a salary cap is just greedy, IMO. Accept a little less, your teammates won’t have to be traded and maybe, just maybe, have a team strong enough to win the title. Ten million dollars per year will last so many lifetimes anyway. 

 Allen should have taken $45M. Because everybody should take 2/3 value due to the salary cap.

[JerseyBills]

7 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

If Cook makes $15 million, doesn't that leave less money under the cap for the rest of his teammates?

TALK TO EM !! 

 

This guy would be traded immediately if they could get any compensation  , he doesn't fit this culture 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

It is what it is. I'm not going to act like I know what Beane has offered or anything like that. I'm sure it is a significant pay raise over the $5M he's about to make. But whatever it is, it's not enough for Cook to accept. 

 

If he doesn't play, it will have one of two effects. This could potentially be a distraction that derails our season. Or, it could be the distraction that lights a fire under the other guys and catapults them to the next level. Either way, our team is better with Cook on the field.

 

We know Josh is gonna ball out regardless. You saw what happened last year when they shipped Diggs out. We've seen the type of player Ty is. Davis had some flashes. I think we would miss the explosive plays, but we would still manage to keep balance on O. Next man up. 

Can anybody name one season in NFL history that was derailed because of a hold out? By a RB no less? This is just SOP at this point. Players hold out. Players deals get done, they get traded, or they play for the payday the next year. The holding out part is just part of the business at this point. 

[Kaenon]

It's all for HBO.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

The culture that has been set for these athletes is so ridiculous, massive egos, it's disgusting...you're under contract,  I know he's there. but no other profession could you pull this bs, ball out 1 more years and go get your $ , this diva ***** - i can't stand it 

Hope he's traded immediately.  We roll with Ray and a trade candidate and Ty, besides that play vs KC, which was freaking amazing, extremely clutch this guy hasn't impressed me like a Saquon or Henry, not even close

Also, you don't think guys in the locker room are bothered? whether they support Cook or disagree, it just creates a terrible culture 

Everything you said is wrong.  Cook is so much better than Davis and Johnson.  To even compare them is laughable.  

Guys don't get bothered by holdouts.  They all want to get paid too.  They know it is a business.  They see that Cook is underpaid.  They support each other.  It does nothing to the culture. 

In any other business if you have a contract that lasts five years, the business can't just tear it up if you get hurt.  How did cutting an injured Tre White affect the culture? 

 

Real men honor their contracts huh????  So why didn't the Bills honor the contracts of Tre White?  Just answer that one question for me...

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 minute ago, Kaenon said:

It's all for HBO.

The thought did occur to me….

[ScottishBills]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Can anybody name one season in NFL history that was derailed because of a hold out? By a RB no less? This is just SOP at this point. Players hold out. Players deals get done, they get traded, or they play for the payday the next year. The holding out part is just part of the business at this point. 

Agree mostly 

 

Though I reckon Bengals fans would argue they would have been in the playoffs if Chase had actually been ready to go last season from Week 1..

[Buffalo716]

I like James but  I'm literally giving him less every time he pulls something like this 

 

If I was prepared to offer him 13 million a year it just went down to 12 

 

Every time he says business I'm probably going down another 1 million dollars because it's also business to the Buffalo Bills 

 

195 lb running back playing behind a great offensive line next to the best quarterback in the world... He's talented, he's not anything close to a true Bell cow back 

 

 he' drops some easy balls every year and he's not a great blocker... Like again if he wants to take 30 years 3 million.. awesome 

 

He's not Alvin kamara and he gets 12.5

Edited August 4 by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, ScottishBills said:

Agree mostly 

 

Though I reckon Bengals fans would argue they would have been in the playoffs if Chase had actually been ready to go last season from Week 1..

Hell, has that team ever been ready in week 1? 

[Since1981]

I don’t care eitherway. I want #4 paid fairly for him and the team. James needs to be careful. He could land at a bad team, bad OL. There is a middle ground. Josh made the choice to hit the middle and have more fun.

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 minute ago, Since1981 said:

I don’t care eitherway. I want #4 paid fairly for him and the team. James needs to be careful. He could land at a bad team, bad OL. There is a middle ground. Josh made the choice to hit the middle and have more fun.

Ship his ass to the Saints

[RoscoeParrish]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Can anybody name one season in NFL history that was derailed because of a hold out? By a RB no less? This is just SOP at this point. Players hold out. Players deals get done, they get traded, or they play for the payday the next year. The holding out part is just part of the business at this point. 

2018 Steelers went from a 13 win team to a 9 win team with Bell holding out.

 

They went from 20th in rushing to 31st.

[HamptonBillsfan]

2 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

Look I don't blame Cook. He feels he should be paid and he absolutely deserves to be. Brandon Beane needs to get Cooks agent on the horn and get it done. He's got a bit of leverage at this state of the negotiation. Offer Cook 12 or 13 mill for 3 years and guarantee it and be done 

You’re probably very close to the magic number.. You’re being realistic and any real Bills fan should know the sooner we get this deal done the better our chances for the better part of Josh’s prime.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Underpaid how??

 

HE'S UNDER CONTRACT , he signed a 4 year contract !!! It's that simple 

 

You can't be this naïve right?  I mean seriously I am not trying to be mean but do you have any idea how the NFL works?  Did you complain that Josh and Shakir and Rousseau and Oliver and Benford, and Bernard all got contract extensions before their deals were done?  I think the only player that hit free agency and came back to Buffalo was Milano.  

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

There’s no other business where the billionaire owners have been granted an anti-trust exemption and are able to prevent their employees from getting jobs at competitors.  Why shouldn’t the players use every bit of leverage they have, and why is Joe Sixpack siding with a bunch of billionaires over the people who get their heads bashed in for our entertainment?

Yeah, he’s taking food off of Pegula’s table.

Ok, cool.. go back and pay Karlaftis 30M per year then.  After all, it’s not your money.