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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess where I differ from some here is that I don’t really care about a guy “growing with Josh for years to come.” Josh probably has 7 or 8 good years left. If you could give him the 1st 1/2 of that window with a bonafide, number 1 WR, I’d do it yesterday. I don’t need a guy that might become good in 2028. The Bills are favorites in all 17 games this year. Do anything, and everything, to win now. Tomorrow isn’t promised. We need to stop thinking about it in the context of the Bills. Now is the time.

I agree with all of this but have no expectations that the Bills will make the move given their history about WRs. I have been excited in the past about getting players like Metcalf and then been sorely disappointed.

I really do wish Beane will stop thinking about managing the long term cap and push all his chips in. Like Eagles and Rams did before. A top end receiver for the next 4 years will be incredible for the Bills.

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess where I differ from some here is that I don’t really care about a guy “growing with Josh for years to come.” Josh probably has 7 or 8 good years left. If you could give him the 1st 1/2 of that window with a bonafide, number 1 WR, I’d do it yesterday. I don’t need a guy that might become good in 2028. The Bills are favorites in all 17 games this year. Do anything, and everything, to win now. Tomorrow isn’t promised. We need to stop thinking about it in the context of the Bills. Now is the time.


I never said I didn’t want Terry. But to clarify my preference would be to add a younger #1 guy

Posted
14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s making a fraction of his market value. The same goes for Hendrickson. I left my job in June because I thought I was making about 80% of my market value. McLaurin is making maybe 65% of his. 
 

We need to stop pretending “quality of team” is a lead factor on a player’s decision making in 2025. It is A factor but nowhere near as big of a factor as guaranteed money and total contract. People long for yesteryear when guys wanted to play for a winner. Sure a guy may play for a winner for $1M instead of a loser for $1.1M but when you’re talking about $22M vs. $33M that’s WAY more of a factor. Can we all agree to not begrudge guys for wanting to make market value? That’s what every single one of us does.

I’m not getting my hopes up but if I’m Beane, I already have an offer on the table  (with room to add more if a trade is possible). It would be the old Mario Williams “don’t let him leave the building” approach. I just don’t think that he’s going anywhere.

Yep.  Why not begrudge a billionaire who will pay $22m but not $33m?

 

dOeSnT hE wAnT hIs tEaM tO wIn?

Posted
2 minutes ago, DJB said:


I never said I didn’t want Terry. But to clarify my preference would be to add a younger #1 guy

Understood. I guess the way I am looking at it, is that the 2026 WR class isn’t very good. 2027 is too far off. Even if you get one in 2026, what are the odds that you get McLaurin-level production early? 5%? 10%? He had 1100 yards and 13 TDs. I don’t care about picks or cost, if I get 2 extra years of a guy, that’s definitely a number 1, vs. one I hope becomes a number 1 in 2 or 3 years. This is the Bills best Super Bowl chance (maybe) ever. They are literally the betting favorite in all 17 games. If you were to add McLaurin, even if it cost you your late 1st, you win no less than 12 or 13 games and potentially all of them. You’re probably looking at homefield throughout. I wouldn be firing all of my bullets now.

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There is no reason we shouldnt be looking into trying to get this done.

 

It would be like adding a high character diggs, but Josh is now at MVP level without him.

 

I am not sure how willing Washington would be to actually move on from him so it is probably for nothing.


Is this the same FO for Wash that screwed over Beane with McKissic? Maybe there is some hesitancy there due to that

Posted
11 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

So Dude finally has an elite QB ON A ROOKIE CONTRACT SO THE COMMANDERS SHOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE PAYING THEIR TOP WR and wants to skip out ? 

FIFY

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He has 1000 yards five years in a row, and he hasn't had a ton of awesome QB play during that period.

 

Can the Bills even afford him, though? And do we really want to improve any portion of the team outside of the defensive line? We may need a 16th guy for the rotation.

 

For what it's worth, I'd rather dedicate any extra money to Cook.

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Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

What would you trade? Samuel and a 3?

Why the Commanders wouldn't be all over this would be a mystery 

 

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I'd probably give up a 2nd and a 3rd for him, plus AJ Epenesa.

 

It's a rule that in the offseason Epenesa has to be included in every speculative trade, right?

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Posted
12 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

I agree with a lot of your points but I just have a bad vibe about it. I like the player like I said. My personal hope is that players kind of deal with this stuff behind the scenes. Let the agents take care of it now not let it get out into the media. 

 

I don't like it when stuff gets out into the media. Seems childish and unprofessional. 

 

I think the Hendrixson t thing is more exaggerated. I mean the guy is literally on an all-time great pass rush run -2 17 sacks seasons in a row. Plus I think there were more promises behind the scenes there. 

 

I would hope the bills could score this guy. But I'm just uneasy about this. 

 

 

 

 

He has though.  For several years.  In one of the most brutal environments you can.  Aside from last season hes done it on awful teams, his entire career inside peak Dan Schneider BS culture/distractions.  We've never heard a peep, hes been the ultimate team player.  All it takes is one knee injury this year and it could easily cost him $50-100M!  They have the money to do it.  Its his turn.  Pay the man so that team can get out there and get to work.  Crazy they'd toil with the first exciting team theyve had sinceeeee what? RG3 Rookie year (if you count that).  So really since early 90's. 25-30 years ago.

 

There's a 1% chance he ends up else where. And 1/32 * 1% chance he lands in Buff.  If they want to be stupid i'd take him LOL but dang theyre fumbling the bag hard here

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that the agents are often (or usually) the ones to surface it. That adds pressure to the team. No one thinks that Metcalf deserves $33M and $22M for McLaurin (or whatever). By floating that, the agent gets support from the public and it forces the front office’s hand. He doesn’t really want to be traded (Hendrickson either). They just use that as further leverage. If NFL contracts were guaranteed you wouldn’t see these disputes. You don’t see it in MLB, NBA or NHL (anywhere near as often).

I dunno about this one LOL I cant think of a single reason other than a fat contract he'd want to stay in Cinci.  Even given that theres got to be 15-20 teams I'd rather get the same contract on before I'd want it in Cinci. I cant think of a single reason outside to stay in Cinci.  Maybe if he has wife & kids that love the school and neighborhood/friends.

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Posted (edited)
46 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Understood. I guess the way I am looking at it, is that the 2026 WR class isn’t very good. 2027 is too far off. Even if you get one in 2026, what are the odds that you get McLaurin-level production early? 5%? 10%? He had 1100 yards and 13 TDs. I don’t care about picks or cost, if I get 2 extra years of a guy, that’s definitely a number 1, vs. one I hope becomes a number 1 in 2 or 3 years. This is the Bills best Super Bowl chance (maybe) ever. They are literally the betting favorite in all 17 games. If you were to add McLaurin, even if it cost you your late 1st, you win no less than 12 or 13 games and potentially all of them. You’re probably looking at homefield throughout. I wouldn be firing all of my bullets now.

 

While I do think it’s unfortunate the 2026 is trash for WR I don’t think we would be targeting an early round WR anyways with the recent addition of Palmer and I’m sure the Bills will still see it Keon can develop 

 

However the 2027 is absolutely loaded with quality WR including two guys in the Nabers tier type guys.

 

Obviously I’m hoping we don’t need to target a WR and someone turns out to be the guy but if not we can try again in 2027

 

And I’m totally down for acquiring Terry. I’ve been banging the table for acquiring a top WR the moment Diggs left and I haven’t been thrilled with the mid type guys we’ve been collecting. FYI I wanted Ladd and the only WR in our range I didn’t want to draft was Keon. Low behold we did. 
 

Palmer is ok but not a top talent that puts fear into corners or DC’s

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Posted
12 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

You say that, yet against KC, we got the ball back in Josh's hands with 3:30 left + timeouts, and got nowhere... 2nd time in 2 years where the offense had an opportunity with the ball in Josh's hands.

 

People talk about our offense like there's no room for major improvements, but that's just not true. 

 

Yes, our D has been bad in the playoffs, but why do we keep trusting McDermott to get his side of the ball right, despite his constant failure to do so, rather than giving our best player more support?

 

Imagine how much better they'd be with more talent! They tried with Diggs, and he was instrumental in Josh's improvement, but he never was a game changer in those big playoff games. 

 

Meanwhile, people expect the "defensive-minded" HC who couldn't get his D to protect a lead for 13 seconds, who wasted numerous early picks on defensive players who haven't been relevant in the playoffs, who had All Pro players at both safety positions, LB & CB, to suddenly figure out with new players?

 

Adding an unselfish & great all-around talent like Terry to THIS offense would be amazing. Dude is like the modern day Eric Moulds, only with even worse QB play up until last year. 

Yep the last 2 seasons we have had opportunities to pull away and put the game on ice. One more TD on the 2nd half stalled drives last year gets it done.  Everybody says we wouldve got smashed by the Eagles, but we'll never know.  We had a *MUCH* better OL than the Chiefs did, if we keep Josh cleaner than Mahomes was kept, I see no reason we aren't very much in that game.

 

Im glad we drafted defense hard, but we're clearly missing a legit #1 for Josh that could've easily been enough to put us over either one of the last two years.  Does not matter how you win it!  You can win a SB with 75% offense / 25% defense, or vice versa, its not a requirement to be 50/50.  

 

To me it makes sense to lean into a strength, Josh is going to amplify whatever weapons are given him. 1 + 1 = 10.  I'm all-in on this season, but I desperately believe we need to be all-in on getting Josh a #1 next season no matter what it takes.  TRULY ZERO EXCUSES! FA? TRADE? Pick package to move up? Doesnt matter

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Posted (edited)
51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Understood. I guess the way I am looking at it, is that the 2026 WR class isn’t very good. 2027 is too far off. Even if you get one in 2026, what are the odds that you get McLaurin-level production early? 5%? 10%? He had 1100 yards and 13 TDs. I don’t care about picks or cost, if I get 2 extra years of a guy, that’s definitely a number 1, vs. one I hope becomes a number 1 in 2 or 3 years. This is the Bills best Super Bowl chance (maybe) ever. They are literally the betting favorite in all 17 games. If you were to add McLaurin, even if it cost you your late 1st, you win no less than 12 or 13 games and potentially all of them. You’re probably looking at homefield throughout. I wouldn be firing all of my bullets now.


Im not too worried about this upcoming draft class at WR because our primary top 3:  Keon, Shakir & Palmer are all under contract for the next few years.  
 

So it really depends what someone thinks of that trio. 
 

While I think a guy like McLaurin, like Hendrickson if he were to shake loose (both not likely) is the type of player you check in on no matter what, I think for us.. with Torrence extension eligible next year and McGovern/Cook upcoming FA’s, Beane’s level of interest would be highly dependent on his belief in our Top 3.. and I think Beane is really high on those guys. 
 

I’m slowly getting there too…

 

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Posted
9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That logic tracks.

 

But maybe they didn't want to give up picks this year given all they had to do and roster spots they had to fill. Especially a high pick this year.

 

I tend to agree with you. But maybe adding a player like McLaurin while still being able to get Sanders and Jackson and pay for him with picks next year (and/or player(s)) might be more intriguing.

Scary Terry is an all-around route runner.  DK is a deep ball magician with limited route tree elsewhere.  Its just different

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Yes to scary Terry.  I know Diggs didnt work.  I know Mclaurin is 30.  He elevates the passing attack.  Flip Epenesa and some picks for him.  3 year deal.  Push to get more explosive.  Push to get over the hump. 

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2 hours ago, chris heff said:

I’ve been camped out in Pegula’s Bushes in Boca since yesterday. Thought I saw Ertz, may have been an Amazon delivery guy, but could have been Ertz.

He's in the muff!!!

2 hours ago, Coldfronts said:

he is too old to pay that kind of bank, see von deal

One time I went on a date and I noticed she had a booger hanging, so I never went on a date again! WHEWWWW I'm so much happier.  I don't think anyone should date, dont they know they could have a booger!!!!

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12 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

You say that, yet against KC, we got the ball back in Josh's hands with 3:30 left + timeouts, and got nowhere... 2nd time in 2 years where the offense had an opportunity with the ball in Josh's hands.

 

People talk about our offense like there's no room for major improvements, but that's just not true. 

 

Yes, our D has been bad in the playoffs, but why do we keep trusting McDermott to get his side of the ball right, despite his constant failure to do so, rather than giving our best player more support?

 

Imagine how much better they'd be with more talent! They tried with Diggs, and he was instrumental in Josh's improvement, but he never was a game changer in those big playoff games. 

 

Meanwhile, people expect the "defensive-minded" HC who couldn't get his D to protect a lead for 13 seconds, who wasted numerous early picks on defensive players who haven't been relevant in the playoffs, who had All Pro players at both safety positions, LB & CB, to suddenly figure out with new players?

 

Adding an unselfish & great all-around talent like Terry to THIS offense would be amazing. Dude is like the modern day Eric Moulds, only with even worse QB play up until last year. 


I’ll just quote myself from another post here. If our offense had “major improvements” it would probably be a top-5 all time offense. We shouldn’t need to be a top-5 all time offense to make the SB. Our defense has to just not suck.

 

Bills defense:

- Surrendered more points to the Chiefs than any other team all season.

- Had to face the 17th ranked offense by yards, 15th ranked offense by points
 

Bills offense:

- Scored more points against the Chiefs than any other team to that point (other than Bills part 1 and week 17 with all backups).

- Scored the most points in a game vs KC in Arrowhead since October 10, 2022.

- Had to face the 9th ranked defense by yards, 4th ranked defense by points

 

I don’t really care about a single play or single drive. The Bills offense had an excellent game against a top defense and did their part. The Bills defense could not slow down an entirely mediocre KC offense. Period.

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, DapperCam said:


I’ll just quote myself from another post here. If our offense had “major improvements” it would probably be a top-5 all time offense. We shouldn’t need to be a top-5 all time offense to make the SB. Our defense has to just not suck.

 

Bills defense:

- Surrendered more points to the Chiefs than any other team all season.

- Had to face the 17th ranked offense by yards, 15th ranked offense by points
 

Bills offense:

- Scored more points against the Chiefs than any other team to that point (other than Bills part 1 and week 17 with all backups).

- Scored the most points in a game vs KC in Arrowhead since October 10, 2022.

- Had to face the 9th ranked defense by yards, 4th ranked defense by points

 

I don’t really care about a single play or single drive. The Bills offense had an excellent game against a top defense and did their part. The Bills defense could not slow down an entirely mediocre KC offense. Period.

 

Remember the 34-31 WC win a few years ago when the Dolphins had some scrub named Skylar Thompson at QB. 31 points let up vs a nobody at QB. Until the defense pulls their weight the Bills win continue to "Marino" Allen's career. At least Dan made it to one Super Bowl. 

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