Eagles survey season ticket holders about building a new domed stadium.

[MJS]

13 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I believe #17 was quoted as preferring to play indoors … he’s so soft 

Let's be honest. He is a little soft.

[djp14150]

On 7/26/2025 at 7:58 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

The goal is to land a Super Bowl and Final Four. By the way the Linc is only 21 years old.

 

Eagles survey season-ticket holders regarding new stadium - NBC Sports https://share.google/ivjbhs8sjggKoSIMy

Philadelphia is a large market so a dome will get big events .  How much money you bring in by hosting a couple super bowls, a couple final 4s, and 2 presidential conventions would pay for an added on stadium dome

[Kirby Jackson]

Is there anyone, that goes to games, that’s been to a NFL game at an indoor stadium in the last 20 years (not talking about those old domes like the Metro Dome or King Dome), that prefers a stadium outside?!? I sure as hell don’t. I’ve been to a bunch of indoor stadiums to see the Bills play: Detroit, Houston, New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta and LA and much prefer it (although LA is actually open air with a roof and it was really hot). Our new stadium is going to be beautiful and I’m really excited for it. With that being said, an indoor stadium would have been WAY better. It’s infinitely more comfortable. 

[SoMAn]

On 7/26/2025 at 10:16 AM, HaldimandBills said:

The way things are going Buffalo and Green Bay are going to be the only open aired stadiums with a grass field in the Northeast and Midwest. I love that. Will be unique and Bills Mafia will continue to be the working mans experience during Bills games. Eagles games like many other teams will become a non intimidating wine and cheese crowd. I want a loud, rowdy, passionate, but sane Bills crowd at home games. Corporate America is slowly killing what made so many things in the USA special by pandering to the elites. 

 

I guess I am not a wuss like many others on here. The partial roof and height of the field is going to eliminate most of the elements as is. 

 

Dome only made sense downtown.

True, as it relates to cost of attending live events.  The high cost makes it difficult for the average blue collar family to enjoy going to a game unless it's a once a year special occasion they save up for. It's simple supply and demand. If people weren't willing to pay those prices, teams couldn't sell tickets at that rate.

   One benefit that's not often mentioned is that higher pricing is weeding out some of the riff-raff. When tickets were an affordable $10, the same obnoxious drunk nitwits that ruined our concert experiences were also going to Bills games for 'the party', exposing our kids and wives to foul language and rude behavior throughout the game. 

   The flip side to the high costs is that there's now unlimited access to seeing every game of their favorite teams in glorious high definition in the comfort of their own living rooms, on their tablets, or phone. 

There was a time when games were blacked out and for many fans their only means of keeping up with the team was listening to the radio. If you were out of town or somewhere else without radio reception your lone option was reading the box score and write-ups in the newspaper the following day.

So, yes, the live experience now caters to the affluent, but advanced technology has provided an option so that all fans can view games in real time. 

Edited Monday at 10:42 AM by SoMAn

[corta765]

Truthfully the NFL has changed and I mean mega changed from the last Bills SB appearance. I bring that up because of the number of people who were not wealthy and worked normal middle class jobs that attended SB 28. When I hear them talk I feel like it is an alien speaking given how the NFL has transformed into such a corporate powerhouse league wide. Stadiums are a huge reflection of this transformation and keeping up literally with "the Jones". The NFL especially with the biggest events and games wants the luxuries and amenities to show off and the teams do too. It was a really big deal for the NFL with COVID the new LA stadium and they were quite nervous about opening it with an empty crowd. 

 

Indoor stadiums are more in vogue because of the number of major events that can be hosted there and if you want tax payer money you need a way to prove the benefit especially now that people see through the fake economic promises stadiums are supposed to bring. Events at least guarantee more usage and income vs ancillary development which is always promised when these new stadiums come online. 

 

The Bills, Packers, Steelers are throwbacks to old school football, but the NFL would probably prefer these days every team indoor. I have been pleasantly surprised how many diehard Bills fans are moving to the new stadium even with the PSLs. I have felt the Bills stadium in a decade or two may end up being more positively & charmed them maybe of the new stadiums which while impressive in offerings, are relatively cookie cutter from one to the next and will show as much so down the road.

 

Lastly I know some say why after 25-30 year new instead of renovate? The cost typically is similar for what you are spending to renovate v a new stadium and for larger cities like PHI or ATL recently they can afford to go bigger with more cost on the fans given the size of the area.

[Thrivefourfive]

On 7/26/2025 at 5:38 AM, ***** said:

It’s the way of the future.  

Way of the future. 

[Thrivefourfive]

On 7/26/2025 at 7:16 AM, HaldimandBills said:

The way things are going Buffalo and Green Bay are going to be the only open aired stadiums with a grass field in the Northeast and Midwest. I love that. Will be unique and Bills Mafia will continue to be the working mans experience during Bills games. Eagles games like many other teams will become a non intimidating wine and cheese crowd. I want a loud, rowdy, passionate, but sane Bills crowd at home games. Corporate America is slowly killing what made so many things in the USA special by pandering to the elites. 

 

I guess I am not a wuss like many others on here. The partial roof and height of the field is going to eliminate most of the elements as is. 

 

Dome only made sense downtown.

Love this. Needs to be said. Football games weren’t for the elite in the 70s, 70s, 80s 🤣… then SB halftime shows and clever commercial time sales slowly turned it into a pop singer’s vehicle for concert sales. Dumb. We’re doing the NFL a favor by keeping things outside and providing a cheering grounds for those of us that don’t identity as the such. 

[Mister Defense]

No way do the fans in Philadelphia go for an indoor stadium, trashing their entire football culture to sit in a giant comfy living room.

 

The team is known for its toughness, its resilience.  That does not go well with life in a warm or air conditioned dome.

 

I am betting: overwhelming rejection by the season ticket holders for this nonsense.

 

Football is to be played outside, in the elements.  And on grass whenever possible--can't wait for the new Ralph!

 

 

 

[Just Jack]

40 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

What are you talking about?

 

AFC East: no domes

AFC North: no domes (Cleveland is building one)

AFC West: no domes (Chargers and Raiders each have one)

AFC South: two domes, Indi and Houston (and Tenn is building one)

 

Two domes in the entire AFC--2.

 

NFC North, domes in Minnesota and Detroit (Chicago is building one)

NFC East: 'dome' in Dallas (Washington is building one)

NFC West: Dome in Arizona and semi dome in LA

NFC South: Atlanta and New Orleans play in a dome

 

More domes in the NFC.  How many of those dome teams have been serious contenders in the last decade plus?

That is 9 out of 32 NFL teams that play in domes-that is 28%. 

 

So with teams building domes, plus the two you missed, that will make it 16 out of 32 teams, or 50%

Edited Tuesday at 02:50 AM by Just Jack

[Sierra Foothills]

16 hours ago, SoMAn said:

True, as it relates to cost of attending live events.  The high cost makes it difficult for the average blue collar family to enjoy going to a game unless it's a once a year special occasion they save up for. It's simple supply and demand. If people weren't willing to pay those prices, teams couldn't sell tickets at that rate.

   One benefit that's not often mentioned is that higher pricing is weeding out some of the riff-raff. When tickets were an affordable $10, the same obnoxious drunk nitwits that ruined our concert experiences were also going to Bills games for 'the party', exposing our kids and wives to foul language and rude behavior throughout the game. 

   The flip side to the high costs is that there's now unlimited access to seeing every game of their favorite teams in glorious high definition in the comfort of their own living rooms, on their tablets, or phone. 

There was a time when games were blacked out and for many fans their only means of keeping up with the team was listening to the radio. If you were out of town or somewhere else without radio reception your lone option was reading the box score and write-ups in the newspaper the following day.

So, yes, the live experience now caters to the affluent, but advanced technology has provided an option so that all fans can view games in real time. 

“So, yes, the live experience now caters to the affluent, but advanced technology has provided an option so that all fans can view games in real time.”

 

Not all fans can view games in real time… streaming is becoming more prevalent as the league moves incrementally towards pay per view.

 

The consumer market for the NFL is ever-changing.

 

[Mister Defense]

28 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

So with teams building domes, plus the two you missed, that will make it 16 out of 32 teams, or 50%

 

Thanks

 

Yikes

 

What a shame.

 

Makes me even more grateful we will not have one in Buffalo for now and into the future.  Attended football games in the Carrier Dome and it was the worst experience ever attending college or pro games. To me, not really football anymore.

 

 

[Steve Billieve]

On 7/26/2025 at 10:57 AM, BillsPride12 said:

$$$$$$$

To whom exactly?

 

More hubris is my guess. Owners aren't making more money with new stadiums.

[BillsPride12]

7 hours ago, Steve Billieve said:

To whom exactly?

 

More hubris is my guess. Owners aren't making more money with new stadiums.

New PSL's?  Higher ticket costs?  New advertising and sponsorship deals?

I don't know all the intricate details on how it works but you can't tell me they are looking to build a new stadium out of necessity 

I have no doubt there is some financial motivation behind it

[SoMAn]

9 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

“So, yes, the live experience now caters to the affluent, but advanced technology has provided an option so that all fans can view games in real time.”

 

Not all fans can view games in real time… streaming is becoming more prevalent as the league moves incrementally towards pay per view.

 

The consumer market for the NFL is ever-changing.

 

My point was that the 'average Joe' has regular (free) broadcasted games, and the option to stream almost every other game. The cost to stream for an entire season will put less of a dent on the budget than a single live stadium game for a family of 4. 

For a Bills fan in the Buffalo area, they're able to see every game of their home team using an over-the-air antenna without spending another penny.

If someone is so cash-strapped that they can't swing the cost of streaming, they have to accept that their financial situation limits certain luxuries. Someone in that situation probably couldn't afford too many family outings at a Bills game when tickets were under $20.

  The sad part is that many young people working entry-level jobs or for whatever reason, having access to limited funds, won't be able to spontaneously get together with friends, walk up to the ticket window, and go enjoy a few games during the season as I did when I was still in my teens, living at home. It was hardly any more of a deal than going to the movies. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:55 PM by SoMAn

[May Day 10]

On 7/27/2025 at 11:16 PM, djp14150 said:

Philadelphia is a large market so a dome will get big events .  How much money you bring in by hosting a couple super bowls, a couple final 4s, and 2 presidential conventions would pay for an added on stadium dome

 

This is the truth.  An indoor facility in Philly would have huge potential for semi-regular large-scale events.  Nobody else on the eastern seaboard would offer a venue of that size.  Philly is a major city.  They would get many premium events.

 

 

Buffalo, if they built an indoor stadium would not be getting many premium events that their outdoor stadium couldn't host.  The nearby/regional competition for these events are/will be much more attractive cities like Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Indy, Cleveland, Nashville, and even Minnesota.  We aren't an attractive market to host NCAA football games.  No chance for a super bowl.  

I am sure they studied what events they could/would attract and it didnt come close to justifying the additional costs (roof itself, HVAC, etc).    

 

These cities aren't bigger and better because of their indoor stadiums.  They are bigger and better because they have been attractive for major commerce, tech, etc.  People live and sustain life in a vibrant downtown setting.  Buffalo just can't get going.

[Simon]

On 7/27/2025 at 10:57 PM, MJS said:

Let's be honest. He (Allen) is a little soft.

 

The guy gets the shlt kicked out of him every week, deals with legit injuries almost every year and hasn't missed a game due to it in like 7 years.

Yet you call off work for a cold and that mf is showing up to ball with broken bones.

Wth is the matter with you?

 

On 7/27/2025 at 12:33 PM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Wondering how many here who prefer their football outdoors in the elements move their TV and recliner outside during fall/winter games? 😂

 

I guarantee I'm not the only one here who's done that. 

[thewookie1]

2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

New PSL's?  Higher ticket costs?  New advertising and sponsorship deals?

I don't know all the intricate details on how it works but you can't tell me they are looking to build a new stadium out of necessity 

I have no doubt there is some financial motivation behind it

 

Yes and No

 

Obviously there is a greed element that is not only from ownership but from the league itself in a large way.

 

However the present stadium is definitely showing some signs of age in its structural design. The upper levels are not only not connected in any manner while needing continuous reinforcement for safety concerns. There are a serious lack of elevators which isn't something you can remedy easily. And the lower bowl has stairs that could kill a man with how extremely high they are in some places. Lastly, there are no employee-only routes for quick and efficient stadium crossing for medical emergencies or other potential situations.  

 

The present stadium footprint was not conducive to many of these issues in terms of a retrofit. You couldn't widen the concession area because it was at least 20ft underground and would need to be borderline torn down just to rebuild. Connecting the Upper Decks wasn't feasible from the Club end and on the scoreboard side would of required a massive construction effort . (Every game at least 10 groups/individuals as employees how to get to the 300 level seats only to be on the wrong side, I've worked a few games and know a couple others who have done the same.) Lastly the NFL isn't exactly fond of retrofits; not a big enough of a profitable escapade.

[BillsPride12]

20 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

 

Yes and No

 

Obviously there is a greed element that is not only from ownership but from the league itself in a large way.

 

However the present stadium is definitely showing some signs of age in its structural design. The upper levels are not only not connected in any manner while needing continuous reinforcement for safety concerns. There are a serious lack of elevators which isn't something you can remedy easily. And the lower bowl has stairs that could kill a man with how extremely high they are in some places. Lastly, there are no employee-only routes for quick and efficient stadium crossing for medical emergencies or other potential situations.  

 

The present stadium footprint was not conducive to many of these issues in terms of a retrofit. You couldn't widen the concession area because it was at least 20ft underground and would need to be borderline torn down just to rebuild. Connecting the Upper Decks wasn't feasible from the Club end and on the scoreboard side would of required a massive construction effort . (Every game at least 10 groups/individuals as employees how to get to the 300 level seats only to be on the wrong side, I've worked a few games and know a couple others who have done the same.) Lastly the NFL isn't exactly fond of retrofits; not a big enough of a profitable escapade.

My post wasn't referring to our new stadium.  Yes we were due for a modern stadium in Buffalo.  I was referring to Philadelphia wanting to build a new stadium while their current stadium is only 21 years old

[Fleezoid]

On 7/27/2025 at 12:33 PM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Wondering how many here who prefer their football outdoors in the elements move their TV and recliner outside during fall/winter games? 😂

 

Well.....if you refuse to pay for cable or any streaming services, sometimes you have no choice. Standing outside your neighbors' window to catch the game might be the only alternative. 

[Big Turk]

On 7/26/2025 at 8:40 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

The shelf-life on stadiums is getting shorter and shorter. The Titans and Browns are replacing stadiums that are 25 years old. I think that about 30 years (or less) is going to be the new norm. 

 

I think what can be added is going to start slowing down as time goes on since most stadiums will already have all the major stuff.  There is but only so much stuff that can be added before it just becomes overload and actually takes away from the experience instead of enhances it.