30 of 32 second round picks unsigned including Bills pick TJ Sanders

[H2o]

$10.6M, even fully guaranteed, for 4 years of a guy you drafted in the 2nd isn't squat. It averages out to less than 1% of the current cap at $2.65M. Just give the guy the contract and let it ride. 

Edited July 17 by H2o

[BigAl2526]

Nothing has changed since the thread I started a couple weeks ago on the subject.

[Buffalo03]

It's actually kinda new that this is 2nd rounders. Under the new rookie wage thing, it was always the third rounders that took the longest to sign

[Draconator]

20 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Nothing has changed since the thread I started a couple weeks ago on the subject.

 

2 hours ago, Draconator said:

 

 

[hjnick]

What's the hit rate of drafting "good" players in the first and second rounds?  Isn't the first round around 60% and the second round 40%?

 

I could see why the owners don't want to guarantee 2nd round pick players contracts if the hit rate for the second round is 40% (if this is correct)

 

Remember, over 4 years, you normally have 4 second rounders on your team, so that's 40Mil in contract guarantees to worry about.  

[SoCal Deek]

I find this interesting. It’s a huge game of chicken, not all that unlike back in the day when hold outs were relatively common place. The league, and the fans, thought they’d moved past all that with the new rookie pay scale. It appears those days are over. The Agents have apparently found what they believe is their new golden goose. We’ll see how it plays out. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, hjnick said:

What's the hit rate of drafting "good" players in the first and second rounds?  Isn't the first round around 60% and the second round 40%?

 

I could see why the owners don't want to guarantee 2nd round pick players contracts if the hit rate for the second round is 40% (if this is correct)

 

Remember, over 4 years, you normally have 4 second rounders on your team, so that's 40Mil in contract guarantees to worry about.  

 

 

Yup.

 

Plus once you guarantee it all for 2nd rounders, guess who starts not signing next?

[GunnerBill]

I suspect at the next CBA there is an effort to standardise further. Very rare you now get 1st round hold outs since they made the previous changes.

[Sojourner]

8 hours ago, VW82 said:

NFLPA F’d the negotiations in the last CBA. How is it possible that 2nd rd picks are expected to sign non-guaranteed contracts in 2025. 

For the first 5-10 picks I can understand as they aren’t that far off from being in the guaranteed contract slots from the first round. 
 

After that? Don’t get it from a league standpoint. Individually for the players? Can’t complain, might be the only shot half of them make a contract in the league. 

[DrBob806]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Out of principle I usually side with the billionaire owners.  Might have to make an exception on this one though.  If the NFL player's union was stronger this would've already been guaranteed when they first negotiated the rookie wage scale.

Interesting you mention "out of principle" in siding with the owners. Why?

 

I'm a union guy, but sometimes I think these players unions are silly. The players are basically independent contractors with their own agents, and certain positions get the big bucks. Imagine making $6 million blocking to protect a $50 million QB for example. Seems backwards lol 

[jwhit34]

It really comes down to the 4th year. A 2nd round pick is not getting released in year 2, so more than 50% is guaranteed (signing bonus + first 2 years). There is probably a very low percentage released before year 3 so with salary escalations and bonuses, realistically around 80% is essentially guaranteed. It's the last 20% that is up for discussion. 

[pennstate10]

13 hours ago, FLFan said:

Theoretically, yes.  However, the practical effect of Sanders missing training camp over this is that his potential impact on the Bills defense is greatly diminished.  Unfortunately it is not linear.  Missing time at the beginning of camp, even a week, will likely mean he will be relatively useless for at least the first half of the season.  More than that, we will be definitely be talking about a wasted high second round pick.  Sorry, but I am going to blame the player for that. 

Good point about missing first week of training camp makes you useless for 1st half of year. 
 

Like when Bills traded for Bennet on Halloween and he dint play the entire year. 

[blitzboy54]

17 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Because two stupid teams signed guys to guaranteed contracts.

Carry that Billionaire water man. Carry it. 

[TBBills Fan]

Beane sleeping at the wheel!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, Sojourner said:

For the first 5-10 picks I can understand as they aren’t that far off from being in the guaranteed contract slots from the first round. 
 

After that? Don’t get it from a league standpoint. Individually for the players? Can’t complain, might be the only shot half of them make a contract in the league. 

 

Have to question to, how many 2nd rounders don't make it through their entire rookie contract?  Particularly as you mention the top 10 or so have a higher chance

[Dafan]

Maybe I'm a minority, but I don't think they should get fully guaranteed contracts.  None of these players have shown they can contribute anything on the field.  Id rather give a vet that has shown what they can, a guaranteed contract.  

[NewEra]

88% guaranteed for Collins.  Beane should start at 89% and possibly move to 90-91%.  Shouldn’t be long now
 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, blitzboy54 said:

Carry that Billionaire water man. Carry it. 

What does this have to do with billionaires? This issue doesn’t impact the salary cap. If anything, it’s more about the Coach/GM wanting future roster flexibility than it is about how much the Owner is willing to pay. No? 

[bigK14094]

15 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

I said it another thread… I think these guys should all get as much as they can as soon as they can. Football careers can be built or destroyed by the organization combined with the coaching staff and the player all meshing well and seeing things the same. How many guys washed out because of the situation they got drafted into and then their confidence shook, an injury handled incorrectly, whatever else… No get paid. Get paid as much as you can. You have earned that right. 

Well, yes.  And, I expect the Bills to negotiate hard and not sign stupid deals that will handcuff them down the road.  Let each team and player represent their interests, and let the chips fall where they may.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, DrBob806 said:

Interesting you mention "out of principle" in siding with the owners. Why?

 

I'm a union guy, but sometimes I think these players unions are silly. The players are basically independent contractors with their own agents, and certain positions get the big bucks. Imagine making $6 million blocking to protect a $50 million QB for example. Seems backwards lol 

Poor joke.  I'll take $6m bucks to protect a 100 billion dollar quarterback.