BigDingus Posted July 3 Posted July 3 4 hours ago, muppy said: speaking as the alleged victim here if the person who assaulted you had no assets and her recourse was civil not criminal liability (which is a lower standard of proof) are you saying there is a statute of limitations on such suits? She waited until he had some money. If he is guilty he can be sued up to now obviously. If money is her solace then money she may or may not even get like I said above. film at 11 wait and see The whole thing stinks. from the alleged assault to now it coming home to roost as he joins our team Isn't that just perfect SMH Exactly. She reported the incident immediately after it happened. She didn't stay quiet on it. It wasn't her choice to drop the charges. She posted about it a lot, and always wanted to get justice. 5 years ago, he wasn't a famous college player or an NFL player, so it obviously wasn't about money. But now that she has a chance to get some kind of justice, she's pursuing it in civil court since she couldn't in criminal court. ***Personal Anecdote Below*** I dated someone who was attacked & SA'd outside of a college, and she dealt with it for YEARS. She never stopped trying to get justice for it, and it wasn't until the guy did it to 2 x more girls over the next 3 years that he got caught. Then my gf was finally able to cooperate with the police & identify him, but unfortunately it took years. By that point, the 2nd girl who was attacked was suffering from extreme PTSD from the incident & ended her own life. Afterwards, we found out it is was a gang thing, and guys from that gang found my gf lived & would leave threatening notes on her car, tail us in cars late at night, and even showed up at a friend's party. Each time, we called the police, which was a whole ordeal that continued this cycle of fear & intimidating for years. We moved twice, got new vehicles & eventually it ended, but all of this was because one guy decided to r**e a girl outside a college dorm, then proceed to do it multiple more times. My gf & those other girls were unable to get any justice for a long time, but imagine if the attacker wasn't charged & suddenly showed up on TV as an NFL draft pick. How would that feel to see someone you KNOW did something so horrible, something so traumatizing, something that makes you feel violated to your core, being rewarded & happy? Probably pretty pissed off, and you'd want to get whatever bit of justice you could. Not saying Hairston is guilty or passing ANY judgement on him. I'm just saying this is a completely reasonable way for a victim to respond, especially if they have no other options. 6 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted July 3 Posted July 3 You can only operate off what is known, you can't condemn a kid for life off an allegation that has yet to be substantiated. One of my best friends in High School was accused of all kinds of crap from a psycho we worked with and he briefly dated. She would call the police and fabricate things on nights he was out with me and crashed at my house or I crashed at his house so they couldn't possibly be true. I was even staying at his house one night after we went to a Kings game in Sacramento where she showed up in a hoody and broke his car windows but then called the police and claimed he came to her house, roughed her up, and broke HER windows and then claimed he broke his own windows to frame her lol. She even tried to create accusations to get him kicked out of the Navy before he even left for bootcamp on some psychotic hope they could be together if he didn't leave for Texas. So only him and the accuser know the truth - but just because he didn't have money back then doesn't mean she wasn't capable of fabricating or exaggerating information either. And to be fair, no charges being filed does NOT mean innocence either. But the bottom line is that nothing was ever found to corroborate the accusation, and his name was cleared through thorough investigations by many different parties, including the police. So life has to go on, and people can only operate based on what they could find or determine. So until something else changes, this kid had his name cleared and there was nothing wrong with drafting him. And if something damning comes out that was previously unknown, I have no doubt Beane would make a correct and swift decision to release him. But on draft night, I wouldn't fault anyone for drafting him after all the investigations by authorities, schools, and teams found nothing on the matter. 2 2 1 Quote
Kmart128 Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Brandon Beane is a smart man. The Buffalo Bills have a ton of resources and did a full investigation on this even before the draft. I'm sure if this woman had any sort of credibility then Beane would have steered clear. The fact that he was comfortable to take this man in the 1st round despite already knowing this alleged situation speaks volumes. I trust Beane more than I do some random girl who we don't even know who she is. There is a lot of crazy people in this world. People are way to quick to believe these things. Follow the evidence... and if criminal charges weren't brought up then there probably wasn't any. 1 Quote
Lost Posted July 3 Posted July 3 So Beane has signed 2 guys with PED suspensions and now drafted a second player with SA allegations hanging over them. So much winning. 1 1 Quote
Bills!Win! Posted July 3 Posted July 3 25 minutes ago, Lost said: So Beane has signed 2 guys with PED suspensions and now drafted a second player with SA allegations hanging over them. So much winning. To beat the chiefs you have to be the chiefs 1 7 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted July 3 Posted July 3 As has been said many times, ‘anyone can sue you for anything’ but these cases always bother me. If you were financially damaged by someone then I can see the purpose and remedy provided by a civil suit. But, suing someone because you failed in an attempt at criminal charges has never seemed appropriate to me. Nor in my opinion, is it the intent of the law. 3 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted July 3 Posted July 3 16 hours ago, DrBob806 said: I'm done with homework assignments. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. I don’t think there’s hypocrisy here which is why I brought up levels. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted July 3 Posted July 3 I hope he counter sues. If this is BS she should be nailed for it. 1 Quote
Doc Posted July 3 Posted July 3 34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: As has been said many times, ‘anyone can sue you for anything’ but these cases always bother me. If you were financially damaged by someone then I can see the purpose and remedy provided by a civil suit. But, suing someone because you failed in an attempt at criminal charges has never seemed appropriate to me. Nor in my opinion, is it the intent of the law. I agree. Especially waiting 4 years/until the other person has big money. 1 2 Quote
4merper4mer Posted July 3 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: As has been said many times, ‘anyone can sue you for anything’ but these cases always bother me. If you were financially damaged by someone then I can see the purpose and remedy provided by a civil suit. But, suing someone because you failed in an attempt at criminal charges has never seemed appropriate to me. Nor in my opinion, is it the intent of the law. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) 10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: You can only operate off what is known, you can't condemn a kid for life off an allegation that has yet to be substantiated. I dont see any (or many) folks condemning or passing judgement on Hairston here. Certainly no one saying he should be cut or in jail. I see waaayyy more people calling the girl all sorts of names and going after her character, wanting her to be counter-sued, etc. No one waiting for any substantiation on that. And given what we've just seen in the Diddy trial, where he was acquitted on most charges EVEN WITH multiple witnesses, piles of physical evidence, video tape, etc... it just shows how almost impossible stuff like this is to convict. Perfect and timely example of how difficult it is for victims of this sort of stuff to ever get justice. Edited July 3 by DrDawkinstein typo 4 1 2 1 2 Quote
boyst Posted July 3 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont see any (or many) folks condemning or passing judgement on Hairston here. Certainly no one saying he should be cut or in jail. I see waaayyy more people calling the girl all sorts of names and going after her character, wanting her to be counter-sued, etc. No one waiting for any substantiation on that. And given what we've just seen in the Diddy trial, where he was acquitted on most charges EVEN WITH multiple witnesses, piles of physical evidence, video tape, etc... it just shows how almost impossible stuff like this is to convict. Perfect and timely example of how difficult it is for victims of this sport of stuff to ever get justice. almost 1 out of every 3 women have been SA'd. from anywhere from a grope and feeling up all the way to grape. that men, mostly whom are naive to this because they are not the type to do it, refuse to acknowledge this is amazing. 3 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted July 3 Posted July 3 58 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It’s interesting you share that photo. I can see a monetary civil judgement if once again you were financially damaged by the defendant. For example, if you killed the family breadwinner but were found innocent of criminal charges, then that loss of income would be cause for a civil remedy. That doesn’t seem to be the case here, or in OJ’s case either for that matter. Quote
T master Posted July 3 Posted July 3 (edited) On 7/2/2025 at 8:37 PM, muppy said: speaking as the alleged victim here if the person who assaulted you had no assets and her recourse was civil not criminal liability (which is a lower standard of proof) are you saying there is a statute of limitations on such suits? She waited until he had some money. If he is guilty he can be sued up to now obviously. If money is her solace then money she may or may not even get like I said above. film at 11 wait and see The whole thing stinks. from the alleged assault to now it coming home to roost as he joins our team Isn't that just perfect SMH If the person that was allegedly assaulted was a respectable person you would think that this would have been common knowledge ASAP after the assault in all cases but that's not what they do they wait knowing that the person may have a future with some kind of wealth involved then all of the sudden . SURPRISE Remember that night we had rough sex and I liked it, guess what - I'M GOING TO SUE YOU FOR THAT ONE NIGHT because now you make a lot of money and I want some ... On 7/3/2025 at 7:59 AM, SoonerBillsFan said: I hope he counter sues. If this is BS she should be nailed for it. I agree . Gold digger !! Edited July 4 by T master 1 1 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 3 Posted July 3 16 hours ago, Dafan said: I agree, but was making a statement to the part where they said this needs to have a trial. Which i disagree. what is your basis for saying their should not even be the opportunity for a civil trial? Quote
JP51 Posted July 3 Posted July 3 I am suspect on the accusers motivation... I am also sensitive to the fact that her allegations may be true and she has been beating this drum for a while... I am supportive of what Max has to say and the vetting process leading to drafting him. I am also concerned by the allegations... I will say that if no other allegations from other women come out, I am more inclined to believe that this is a nothing burger... maybe the truth is in the middle... like she believes what happened was wrong and what happened wasnt technically a crime... I don't know... I have no clue... nor am I going to pretend I have insight as both eventualities could be true. what I do know is that in the absence of clear evidence of guilt and simply a he said she said... I am not condemning either... because dismissing a woman who claims foul when we don't know all of the facts is not where I wanna be... and condemning a young man because someone filed suit immediately after he got a contract is equally wrong... I get we want to compartmentalize and resolve it... but it in the end our presumptions can lead to situations like Ariaza where he as punished by getting cut because an accuser was either feeding BS or misrememebered or conversely dismissing the claims of a woman who was wronged because there are others like Watson where he was a scumbag.... We just don't know and its too important to me at least to pass judgement and come to conclusion based on an article. We have both Criminal and civil proceedings for a reason... when it plays out I will come to my conclusion... in the meantime, I presume innocence until otherwise proven guilty. I am not saying you should agree with me... just this is where I stand and why. Quote
Dafan Posted July 3 Posted July 3 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: what is your basis for saying their should not even be the opportunity for a civil trial? Given it is 4 years later. I know systems are different by state and country. But believe in Ontario we have 2 years for a suit to be filed. Hence my opinion that it shouldn't be going to any trial. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 3 Posted July 3 8 minutes ago, Dafan said: Given it is 4 years later. I know systems are different by state and country. But believe in Ontario we have 2 years for a suit to be filed. Hence my opinion that it shouldn't be going to any trial. so you are saying the law should not allow a suit to be filed after 2 years or are you saying the case has no merit? Most such cases will settle before court anyway. Either way the plaintiff gets “their day in court court” in that the defendant must respond. In discovery, they both can make their case in deposition 16 hours ago, Jalan81 said: You can talk about 1000 cases but not a single other case has anything to do with this one. Lots of innocent people settle for a number of reasons. It may be cheaper than a protracted legal battle, it ends the uncertainty of a trial etc. There is also no doubt a number of people file suits as a gamble for a big payout knowing full well they are hoping they can convince a jury they have been injured in some way. I’ve worked in the construction industry for years. I know several people who were injured outside of work and then reported it as a work injury and ended up with a work comp payout. People are dishonest, the system can be played, by men, by woman, in all situations. no one is arguing that people lie about facts that they can then sue over. this person filed a police report at the time, when this kid was essentially a nobody. Quote
Dukestreetking Posted July 3 Posted July 3 Bills, other teams, the League itself: all employ ex-cops to conduct these investigations. Reading the actual filed complaint, experienced investigators would be well aware of, and check, the absolute "knowables": (1) if an immediate report was filed w "local law enforcement" (language in complaint) (2) if a SANE test was indeed conducted Naturally, there are other material facts that can be discovered with relatively minimal digging. Snapchat is another matter entirely, unless local LEO, at time of alleged incident report, had access to, and then preserved, that information. Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted July 3 Posted July 3 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont see any (or many) folks condemning or passing judgement on Hairston here. Certainly no one saying he should be cut or in jail. I see waaayyy more people calling the girl all sorts of names and going after her character, wanting her to be counter-sued, etc. No one waiting for any substantiation on that. And given what we've just seen in the Diddy trial, where he was acquitted on most charges EVEN WITH multiple witnesses, piles of physical evidence, video tape, etc... it just shows how almost impossible stuff like this is to convict. Perfect and timely example of how difficult it is for victims of this sport of stuff to ever get justice. I understand, but you misunderstood the context of my statement. When I said "You can only operate off what is known, you can't condemn a kid for life off an allegation that is yet to be substantiated", that had nothing to do with TSW or peoples reactions here. It was about how Hairston should have been viewed and treated on draft night. That at some point, life goes on, and if he was cleared then all you can do is treat it as such and Beane, or any other team, on draft night rightfully treated it as he had been cleared. And no disrespect, bringing up Diddy is no where near relatable, not even 1%. What Diddy was found not guilty on they had weak evidence of from the start...you just listed a lot of things that were NOT part of the actual charges he beat, like the video tape. I wanted Diddy to go down as much as anyone, but I said it right from the start, people do not understand what he is actually charged with and most the hard evidence showing how bad of a person he is not supporting evidence against him pertaining to the more serious charges he was on trial for. With Hairston, there was no evidence, nothing to corroborate the story this woman accused Hairston of after multiple investigations, including the authorities. And what all of them said was that there was no evidence to support the claims and that the incident didn't appear to happen. And that may be correct or that may not be correct...but 5 years later, its the only thing anyone has to go on which is why teams like the Bills didn't rely only on that, they also did a deep dive and due diligence on character witnesses to try and best understand who he is and the type of person he is and weigh that as well, which he got rave reviews on as well, further supporting his proclamation of innocence that the investigation provided. Quote
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