Network pricing to watch all NFL games in 2025

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

And that's exactly how I will be watching.  It has got too out of hand.

Message me!

[SoMAn]

17 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Where’s the line, though? Walmart made over $600 billion last year—should we all just fill our carts and walk out because they’ve “made enough”? Well, if everyone did that, the business would collapse. That’s the problem with justifying theft based on company profits - It literally relies on others doing the right thing so that you can do the wrong thing. The logic is: “I don’t have to pay because enough others already did.” That only works if a critical mass doesn’t think like you. It's freeloading, plain and simple.

 

Simon’s point about collusion and lack of competition is more compelling - but even that doesn’t justify piracy in my opinion. It might justify regulatory pressure, not theft.

PS to all who responded to my original post: I'm not ignoring you - I just don't want to clutter this thread with replies. The reply above synthesizes what I would have said in each anyway.

The 'evil rich' and 'capitalism bad" mentality is a viewpoint I don't understand, particularly from people who've enjoyed the American way of life. 

Is it envy? The way a homely high school chick hates the head cheerleader because she's not as popular?

You're a working stiff, so you hate those living the high life?

Most billionaires in this country didn't inherit the wealth. Most are like Terry Pegula, who had a skill/education in a particular field, had business savvy, recognized a market need, exploited it, and got rich.  

Youtube and the NFL charge insane amounts of money for service, merch, and tickets, unthinkable 20 years ago. 

But it's only because there's a market for it. Participation is 100% voluntary. 

If you don't want to pay to see your team, you still have the option to watch at least 5 games each week that are broadcast for free. 

Using pirate streaming is stealing whether or not it agrees with your level or morality, 

Yes, the NFL is greedy. But, it's because they can be. It's the American way! 

But I guess, so is trying to get over on the man!😊

[thronethinker]

22 hours ago, Draconator said:

My TV App gets all NFL games for $47 a month, all legal. (Plus all MLB, NBA, NHL, ESPN+, and over 600 local stations across the US. Even BBC from England and other English Stations). 

It may seem legal but in reality, the service is not following Broadcast regulations. If you have to use a VPN or the service is based overseas to avoid broadcast regulations...it's not legal to view in the US without being a subscriber to the service that the broadcaster intends for you to use. It's just easy to do and you're paying someone else to do the work for you so it seems ok.

Edited 15 hours ago by thronethinker

[Johnny Bravo]

16 hours ago, Simon said:

 

TL:DR

The only one of those "products" even bearing a remote resemblance to the NFL is college ball, so one could accept it as its only "competition", albeit at a stretch.

In reality I do pay for both the NFL and college ball every time I frequently send DTV $100+ and that's a fairly hefty price because, with the Sabres being irrelevant and unwatchable, football is literally the only time I voluntarily turn on my TV.

The problem arises when those networks choose to limit my viewing options of that product without giving me any reasonable choice in the matter (blackout shenanigans in publicly funded stadiums, colluding to limit windows, privatizing specific broadcasts for additional lucre, etc). 

They've gravitated to such an underhanded, self-serving, contemptuous business model that they've alienated many good folks who no longer feel any moral obligation to uphold what could be a respectful product/patronage relationship. If they were to at least to make any effort whatsoever to show a modicum of respect toward their monopolized audience, I'd be happy to reward that respect with the monetization they're seeking. But instead they have chosen to not only disregard, but to actively disdain that mutual relationship. Their abandonment of that historically successful and requited obligation is the direct cause of me choosing to abandon my own part in that relationship, and to do so without the guilt or regret I'd typically feel if I were to disregard the needs of a more considerate and honest business.

 

Short version:

*****'em; they've earned it.

Short version:

I want it, but don't want to pay

[Johnny Bravo]

16 hours ago, Dan said:

But aren’t many of these streaming services monthly. For example, Netflix.   You don’t pay one monthly fee. You have to pay that $15 fee (or whatever it is now) each month of the season.   So aren’t some of the prices higher than quoted?

 

The problem with all this is that no single service allows you to watch all of one teams games, let alone all teams games.  So the value of each is all over the place.   So I need Netflix to watch just a couple games. I need Amazon, YouTube, over the air antenna, I don’t even know what else.

 

i have most of those streaming services and still watch the free/illegal feeds half the time because I don’t have the energy to figure out which device/app I need to tune to.  Just to see the refs screw over whoever the Chiefs are playing. It’s gotten ridiculous.  And yes I’m old. But in addition to those damn kids staying off my lawn, the NFL needs to think about the fans just a little and stop spreading their content to every conceivable format, time slot and continent all while making us pay for it twice - once for the service, secondly for all the damn ads that pop up everywhere!   Then I’ve paid for it all.. but I still can’t watch replays/highlights without more ads or services.  It’s just out of hand. 
 

Yes, you get lots of pop up ads on the illegal streams, but at least those are mostly porn ads. So you get something better to click away. 

Im not complaining, I’m just saying the NFL policies are forcing people to find work arounds more than just people’s desire to get something for free. 

 

 

 

NFL's Gamepass lets you watch every game on one platform for a pretty reasonable price.  You can't watch the games live but you get them a few hours later with no commercials and you also get access to live audio.

 

I used that service for years when I couldn't afford Sunday ticket and it was great.

[Draconator]

49 minutes ago, thronethinker said:

It may seem legal but in reality, the service is not following Broadcast regulations. If you have to use a VPN or the service is based overseas to avoid broadcast regulations...it's not legal to view in the US without being a subscriber to the service that the broadcaster intends for you to use. It's just easy to do and you're paying someone else to do the work for you so it seems ok.

It's legal. They don't use any VPN networks. 

[T master]

On 6/5/2025 at 8:58 AM, thronethinker said:

Well there is only 1 way for the price to go down, loss in viewership.

 

 

And you can count me as 1 because if it costs that much to watch football especially growing up when MNF and all the Sunday games were on the big 3 for free I'll be fishing or something other than watching games ...

[WotAGuy]

4 hours ago, stosh64 said:

All HD perfect picture over my antenna.

The stations in central New York all compress their signals to get more sub channels into the mix that it’s unwatchable over the air. Any movement causes pixelation.  I end up watching networks via Hulu because the stream picture quality is so much better. 

13 hours ago, boyst said:

Dofu

They seem to change the app every season. The iPhone app that worked last season is no longer active.  Hoping to find its replacement by the time the season starts. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Either WATCH or DON'T WATCH.

 

I lived in an era where you had black and white or cabinet color TV, 3 channels and rabbit ears, and you either watched a couple of Bills games and saw the rest on a highlight show or in the sports section so I'd say complaints are a reflection of how spoiled people have gotten. My God, enough... be glad you can at least have the OPTION TO WATCH every game from long distances.

Edited 13 hours ago by EasternOHBillsFan

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

 

Yes, the NFL is greedy. But, it's because they can be. It's the American way! 

But I guess, so is trying to get over on the man!😊

Taking what we want is also the American way! 🤣

[Wacka]

Live in WNY and get all Bills games for $0. Or go to the local sports bar and watch the games. When I lived in the SF area, I saw every Bills game at a bar. Drink pop if you don't want to drink alcohol.

Edited 12 hours ago by Wacka

[Logic]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

The 'evil rich' and 'capitalism bad" mentality is a viewpoint I don't understand, particularly from people who've enjoyed the American way of life. 

Is it envy? The way a homely high school chick hates the head cheerleader because she's not as popular?

You're a working stiff, so you hate those living the high life?

Most billionaires in this country didn't inherit the wealth. Most are like Terry Pegula, who had a skill/education in a particular field, had business savvy, recognized a market need, exploited it, and got rich.  

Youtube and the NFL charge insane amounts of money for service, merch, and tickets, unthinkable 20 years ago. 

But it's only because there's a market for it. Participation is 100% voluntary. 

If you don't want to pay to see your team, you still have the option to watch at least 5 games each week that are broadcast for free. 

Using pirate streaming is stealing whether or not it agrees with your level or morality, 

Yes, the NFL is greedy. But, it's because they can be. It's the American way! 

But I guess, so is trying to get over on the man!😊

Archie Bunker, is that you?

I would ask you to read the post of @Sierra Foothills, who said it beautifully.

Wealth inequality in America. The NFL pricing blue collar fans out of watching their product. He said it better than I could.

Your post, I suppose, is the opposite viewpoint. The capitalism worshipping, greed excusing, "anybody who doesn't wanna bow to the power of the free market is just an immoral and un-patriotic hippie and can go sit outside when the games are on" side. To each their own.

As for the "self made billionaires" stuff, 16 of the league's owners inherited their wealth or their teams, so the "business savvy" stuff is pretty rich with regard to NFL ownership. 

If you want to talk about some of the realities of end-stage free market capitalism in America, I'd be happy to do so in DMs so as not to further derail this thread. I'll only say that if you can't understand why some people are presently feeling a bit of "evil rich" and "capitalism bad" mentality, as you call it...you may want to poke your head out the window and look around from time to time.

[BullBuchanan]

19 hours ago, Draconator said:

Yes it is. I know more about this than you do. So stop trying to pretend otherwise. 

You absolutely do not. I've been at this as long as it's existed and worked in the TV provider industry.

[Draconator]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You absolutely do not. I've been at this as long as it's existed and worked in the TV provider industry.

So says the guy on the internet who is a Dolphin's fan. 

[Nelius]

Bull’s a Bills fan he’s just a sh**post extraordinaire 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Wow... that sucks 

[BillsShredder83]

On 6/5/2025 at 9:29 AM, Einstein said:

 

I will never understand people advocating illegal streams. 

 

For some reason, it being media makes it pallatable for people to say things like like this. But most of us would never say “oh that restaurant meal was expensive - but there are ways to skip out the door before paying without the waitress knowing”. 

 

Why not just straight up say “i’m a thief”?

Straight up, I'm a thief

 

..... oh no how will my friends and family ever trust me again LoL

 

Theres not a single corporate product or aspect of govt (essential or not) in existence, where I can go one full day without being ripped off a dozen or more times... just by opening my eyes in the morning.  The working man in this country owes nothing to any of these people except for a tar and feathering.

 

But yes, I'm gunna hold a vigil for the corporations as victims of petty theft, and ignore the gunpoint robbery the middle class is subjected to on the daily. 👌

Edited 8 hours ago by BillsShredder83

[WotAGuy]

52 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

 

But yes, I'm gunna hold a vigil for the corporations as victims of petty theft, and ignore the gunpoint robbery the middle class is subjected to on the daily. 👌

I’m lower middle class. I doubt I’m being robbed, but that anal probe is no fun.