Cole Bishop Toughness

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

 

Match my SAT score bro, dare you!  Kidding, but I very much want to be stupid here.  I want to see him square some folks up.  If you can honestly say you saw a lot of that last year, I was not watching the same performance.  It is time. I hope it happens.

I have a sneaking suspicion that here isn't the only place that you're being stupid.

[DrDawkinstein]

If your Safety is squaring up the RB then you have bigger problems on your hands since the RB is getting through your DL and LBs.

 

I'd rather see Bishop stepping in front of that pass over the middle and taking it to the house for a pick-6.

 

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[Walking Tall]

2 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

 

 

Tell me I am stupid

 

 

No need, my man.

 

No need at all.

[Draconator]

This thread makes me sad. 

 

Not because of the content, but I'm out of tonic water so I can't have anymore of my yummy Gin whilst reading this thread. 

 

Pain is real. 

[That's No Moon]

42 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Dude...I miss that guy.

I miss that sport. What we watch today is a totally different thing.

[NickelCity]

I'm not 100% sold on Bishop but the original post needs to get a grip. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I feel a need to be reassured by the board.  I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety.  Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy.  Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous.  I am 100% rooting for him.  I know he has the height, weight and speed.  But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound."  No, please!  I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me.  Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone."  I want to think - wide receiver over the middle?  Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out.  They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.  

 

Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base.  I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end.  Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either).  Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you.  I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts.  Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

Picking a safety in the second round is generally a bad idea.   It's a one contract position.   Jairus Byrd was simultaneously an All Pro quality player for a couple of seasons and a bad second round pick.   There are not many safeties in the NFL that end up being worth bypassing the annual chance to select a potential difference maker at a premium position.   More day 1 and 2 picks fail than succeed but it's still the best place to find difference makers.   

Edited 23 hours ago by BADOLBILZ

[Matt_In_NH]

It is not a feeling it is a random guess.

[RobbRiddick]

3 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I need reassurance from the board.
Tell me my wife ain’t a 2. 
A big, fat 2.

 

 

She felt fine to me

[Comebackkid]

3 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I need reassurance from the board.
Tell me my wife ain’t a 2. 
A big, fat 2.

 

 

wellllllllll hmmm...umm

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I feel a need to be reassured by the board.  I get a creeping fear - which can only be based on some weird, deep-seated prejudice -- that Cole Bishop may well lack the toughness to be an NFL strong safety.  Maybe he looks a little bit too much like a choirboy.  Maybe he is too handsome and I am secretly jealous.  I am 100% rooting for him.  I know he has the height, weight and speed.  But I look at him and think "likely to be scheme sound."  No, please!  I want to look at him and say "geez, I would sure hate to be a running back and see that animal flying downhill at me.  Snot flying, drool dripping, that dude is going to wreck someone."  I want to think - wide receiver over the middle?  Not worried about it, Bishop will get there and lay the MoFo out.  They may complete one, but it will be VERY expensive for them.  

 

Tell me I am stupid, a hater or just off base.  I really liked the pick when they made it, I am hoping he grows into a silent assassin on the back-end.  Even if he is scheme sound too (and I know he wasn't always that last year either).  Let's go Cole - cheering for you, and want to feel stupid for doubting you.  I may have to buy a Bishop jersey just to exorcise my doubts.  Thoughts?

 

 

The reason you feel that way is because Bishop doesn’t pass the eye test. He’s soft and often out of position on pass coverage. I’ve yet to see him put a hard lick on a TE coming over the middle or plug up a hole against a big back like Henry or Mixon. The reluctance of oblivious fans to accept what they see, not withstanding, we need a more physical and aggressive safety. Beane hangs his hat on the Allen pick and he’s had some other great picks and acquisitions(Cook,Brown, Benford, Shakir, Oliver,etc) but he’s also had some clunkers. Elam, Miller, Kincaid, and Bishop come to mind. I haven’t given up on Kincaid but Bishop just doesn’t show any of the attributes of the kind of safety we need.

[Fleezoid]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

This thread makes me sad. 

 

Not because of the content, but I'm out of tonic water so I can't have anymore of my yummy Gin whilst reading this thread. 

 

Pain is real. 

 

Well then....Gin neat here on out. 

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I need reassurance from the board.
Tell me my wife ain’t a 2. 
A big, fat 2.

 

 

Tiger Woods says she's rather attractive . . . . . for a blind woman.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

You are stupid, a hater and way off base. Hey, you asked 😂😂

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Yeah, is similar to the bad feeling I had about Josh Rosen, only different.  Looking at the pictures and interviews of that pencil-necked tool, all I could think was "never, ever will be a leader of strong men, and therefore will fail as an NFL QB."  So ffs me all you want, I have a track record 😀  And like I said, would love to be wrong. Rapp - he is a train wreck the way he injures everyone and can't say healthy himself, but just looking at him you can picture him putting a hurt on people.  

That is great - and I read the same kinds of reviews when he was drafted.  The play I saw last year was more tentative, in my eyes.  Could just be because he was a rook and missed time, but I hope what you saw at Utah translates to the NFL - it doesn't always.  If it does, and I am 100% rooting for him, my next worry will be "can he stay healthy".

you do worry a bit much Marlin 😉

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

You can’t tell by the look on a guy’s face whether he is tough.  Heck I looked like an alter boy when younger, but was a state champ wrestler, national champ Powerlifter, and bounced in some of the worst roadhouses.  That aw shucks look an be in youre favor.  Now I truly am just a middle aged man who enjoys working out to be healthy.  My hitting days are long gone.  Besides my joints are that of a 68 yr old more than decade older than my age from the powerlifting.  The body isn’t meant to do that stuff.

 

If he behaves like Deon back in the day, afraid to tackle people then make all the assertions you want as you have a body if work.  The Utah posters states he’s tough, so that’s good enough for me.  Last year he didn’t have a full off season due to injury,so another year in McD’s defense he’ll probably take the next step.  Look how Spencer Brown evolved over three years.

The tentative was more likely from trying to avoid mistakes is my guess.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, boyst said:

Cole Bishop = Coy Wire at best

is that good enough ?

You a Forrest fan 😋

[Simon]

5 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

The play I saw last year was more tentative, in my eyes.  Could just be because he was a rook and missed time

 

He was undeniably tentative in the first half of the season after missing so much time early. No confidence in his reads, flat-footed because he didn't trust himself, bad angles as a result of hesitation. But by the latter part of the year he was definitely showing the willingness to come downhill hard and attack ballcarriers. He was still making the occasional mistake because he was so dialed in on his assignment that he didn't have the confidence to play the whole field, but there was no lack of aggression in his game. He is absolutely willing to stick his face in the fan.

 

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I’ve yet to see him put a hard lick ... or plug up a hole against a big back like Henry or Mixon.

 

I have. Multiple times.

It was cool.

Sorry you missed it. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

5 hours ago, boyst said:

Cole Bishop = Coy Wire at best

I have a Coy Wire bobblehead mista

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

He’s not a choirboy, but a Bishop.

Maybe we should trade him to the Cardinals.

 

[HamptonBillsfan]

12 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He was absolutely tentative in the first half of the season after missing so much time early. No confidence in his reads, flat-footed because he didn't trust himself, bad angles as a result of hesitation. But by the latter part of the year he was definitely showing the willingness to come downhill hard and attack ballcarriers. He was still making the occasional mistake because he was so dialed in on his assignment that he didn't have the confidence to play the whole field, but there was no lack of aggression in his game. He is absolutely willing to stick his face in the fan.

 

 

I have. Multiple times.

It was cool.

Sorry you missed it. 

Nice to be arbitrary, but do you think he’s been a good tackler or aggressive enough. You remember him on the biggest stage against KC , having control on an apparent INT, and watching the receiver taking it away from him with more want to. He hasn’t shown anything and his stats on tackles, breakups and assists bear it out. You want to ignore what’s plain to see, that’s ok.