SoonerBillsFan Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Ladd MANConkey made the list again. Sorry no Coleman Shocked 1 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago I'm intellectually shocked and emotionally devastated that no Bills receivers made the list. Then again, if the Bills average 31 points per game again, I don't really care. 1 1 Quote
Maine-iac Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago I'm trying to wrap my mind around Aiyuk coming in at 19. Aiyuk was hot garbage before he got hurt. Maybe he'll be back to his previous self after coming back from a big injury. 1 1 Quote
Ralonzo Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 25 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I wonder what Josh thinks of this list. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 6 hours ago, Malazan said: Devante Adams just had his worst year and is 32, but let's put him at 16.. Do agents pay for these articles? Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 5 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: Agreed Jefferson is the best WR in the league period I'd probably take Chase over Jefferson Quote
MiltonWaddams Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I'd probably take Chase over Jefferson There is an argument there, but then you realize that Chase has had the same quarterback throwing to him for a very long time. Both in his college and NFL career. That level of comfort and familiarity is unseen in the NFL in a very long time.Jefferson had… Kirk cousins and Sam Darnold. Not quite the same… 1 Quote
Mango Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: There are 9 teams with Super Bowl odds of +1900 or less. In parenthesis, the number of wide receivers inside of PFF’s top 32: Eagles (2) Ravens (1) Bills (0) Chiefs (1) Lions (2) Rams (2) Commanders (2) Packers (0) Bengals (2) I don’t know if this tells much. It is a little wild though that more than 1/2 of the top 9 teams have multiple WRs in the top 32 and at least 1 in the top 10. The Eagles with 1 & 7, Lions with 4 & 32, Rams with 5 & 16, Commanders with 10 & 30, and the Bengals with 3 & 14. It is also wild that Ohio State has 5 guys in the top 32 (6 if you count Jameson Williams) and LSU has 4 of the top 15. One thing to note is QB contracts. Sure some guys got paid like Hurts, but they aren't in the meat of their deals yet so they can pay everybody. Then on the other end you have the Bengals who paid Burrow and paid their WR' and they're all messed up because of it. Buffalo, KC,and Baltimore have a much greater balancing act. Stafford and the Rams are a bit of an outlier. All that said, McBeane have just missed too many times with pass catchers in the draft. And their insurance on devoting resources to pass catching backs that they don't throw the ball to is maddening. Honorable mention to TE's as well. Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 40 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I'd probably take Chase over Jefferson I wouldn’t 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Tier 1 is EXACTLY what I said the other day. Jefferson, Chase, Brown in some order.... then a BIG gap. I mean to be fair, I’m pretty sure that’s everyone’s tier 1…and if it isn’t they probably shouldn’t be ranking WRs. Edited 7 hours ago by Alphadawg7 Quote
Thurman#1 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 7 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I argued for #22 and #23 in their draft years. But you're not allowed to worry about WR. Beane will yell at you, and other folks will act like thinking the WR room is subpar equates to not recognizing the defense needed a major upgrade. Apparently 13 of the 91 players currently signed are WRs. Most of them are long shot lottery tickets. One supposes the numbers, however, implicitly indicate there is some awareness of deficiency, despite the propaganda otherwise. Nah, you're allowed to worry about it. Sensible people worry about everything on the team outside of QB1. It's the "the sky is falling" panic because we don't have a #1 that doesn't make sense. I'm not sure that 13 WRs implies an awareness of deficiency. But if it does, it's probably a deficiency at #4 and #5 and #6. Nobody thinks the last 6 or 7 of those WRs are going to become #1s. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 9 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Do you agree that Downs is better than Shakir? Keep in mind that Downs had Anthony Richardson throwing to him where Shakir had Allen I think they are honestly pretty similar. I haven't focussed as much on Downs since he came into the league. I think he is a more natural route runner though. 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I mean to be fair, I’m pretty sure that’s everyone’s tier 1…and if it isn’t they probably shouldn’t be ranking WRs. Ha you missed the thread here the other night then. 1 Quote
ProcessTruster Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 12 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Seeing Brian Thomas Jr. at 15 still kills me agreed. but trading up to 22 or earlier to get him would have cost Beane a lot. in 20/20 hindsight, of course it may have been worth it. We'll see how Coleman does this year; Quote
Mister Defense Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) Let me guess... The Bills have no players in their list? I am sure that is NOT why this is posted, why it is a thread. Could have just cut to the chase in the OP for what will likely be the dominant line of thinking for a group of posters, and just posted some variation of this at the outset, to save a lot of time (and wasted space, repeating and repeating and repeating...): I cannot believe how Beane neglects this offense...(fire him, fire him, fire him...) leaves our superstar quarterback with almost no good weapons... and almost nothing at wide receiver... the Bills' offense may suck this coming year as much as they did last year (is that even possible?)... Josh again will just be throwing balls down the field to phantom wide receivers, balls bouncing harmlessly on the turf, over and over... Brandon Beane must be fired, and not just now, years ago...we need a time machine, as that way we can prevent the offensive collapse that wrecked the Bills last season...(Doc Brown, can you help us out?) Poor, poor [MVP} Josh... All the other AFC contenders have far superior offenses, talent, the Bills are not in the same league... Most neglected, talentless offense in the NFL, maybe in NFL history... 2025: worst offense ever? Edited 1 hour ago by Mister Defense 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Let me guess... The Bills have no players in their list? I am sure that is NOT why this is posted, why it is a thread. Could have just cut to the chase in the OP for what will likely be the dominant line of thinking for a group of posters, and just posted some variation of this at the outset, to save a lot of time (and wasted space, repeating and repeating and repeating...): I cannot believe how Beane neglects this offense...(fire him, fire him, fire him...) leaves our superstar quarterback with almost no good weapons... and almost nothing at wide receiver... the Bills' offense may suck this coming year as much as they did last year (is that even possible?)... Josh again will just be throwing balls down the field to phantom wide receivers, balls bouncing harmlessly on the turf, over and over... Brandon Beane must be fired, and not just now, years ago...we need a time machine, as that way we can prevent the offensive collapse that wrecked the Bills last season...(Doc Brown, can you help us out?) Poor, poor [MVP} Josh... All the other AFC contenders have far superior offenses, talent, the Bills are not in the same league... Most neglected, talentless offense in the NFL, maybe in NFL history... 2025: worst offense ever? PFF is releasing lists of the best players by position in the NFL. Why would this not be on here? Before you say, “this is a Bills message board,” it it nestled between threads on Jim Irsay, Marvin Harrison Jr. Fred Warner and Brock Purdy. It is for discussion!! It’s May!! These are the things that are discussed on here this time of year. I get it. You’re one of those guys that’s sticks your fingers in your ears and goes “La la la la la, I can’t hear you” if you don’t like what’s being said. You’re the one making this about the Bills offense. If you don’t like the conversation, don’t join in!! You’re projecting. Yes, the Bills are bad at WR. No one expected them to have guys on the list. That’s not the conversation. It is about the best receivers in football. My suggestion is that you start a thread on Strong vs. Ingram or Hancock vs. Cam Lewis for roster spots. Those topics interests you. Instead of whining, expend your energy on things you care about. Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson Quote
Mister Defense Posted 55 minutes ago Posted 55 minutes ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I get it. You’re one of those guys that’s sticks your fingers in your ears and goes “La la la la la, I can’t hear you” if you don’t like what’s being said. You’re the one making this about the Bills offense. That should be your avatar when it comes to the Bills' offense, Beane's neglect of it, and the Bills' wide receivers. Yes, and I apologize, as of course, that (see italics) was not your intention. Just sharing, with no intent to make this about the Bills' offense. Definitely not. Edited 54 minutes ago by Mister Defense Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 37 minutes ago Author Posted 37 minutes ago 12 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: That should be your avatar when it comes to the Bills' offense, Beane's neglect of it, and the Bills' wide receivers. Yes, and I apologize, as of course, that (see italics) was not your intention. Just sharing, with no intent to make this about the Bills' offense. Definitely not. Has Beane neglected WR? Of course he has. That’s not really debatable. We can look at asset allocation and come to that conclusion pretty easily. Has it hurt their offense is a different conversation. It’s also a different conversation from the best 32 WRs in football. That’s this thread. I shared the top 25 under 25 a day or two earlier. Did that get your panties in a bunch too? There was no intent on that being about the Bills either. Yes, they did have a player on that list. These are the things discussed in May. Don’t project as if you know my intent. My intent was to spark conversation on PFF’s list. That’s what has been going on. Guess what, there will be more of these threads coming as they release them. Read through the thread if you want to participate. Who do you think is too high? Too low? If you don’t want to engage on the topic. Don’t. Don’t come here and try to derail it though. Thanks in advance Quote
DJB Posted 37 minutes ago Posted 37 minutes ago Beane could have had Jefferson and Ladd. Essentially traded one away and passed on another Brutal Quote
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