I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So when Diggs was tearing things up averaging 86 yards a game over 11 games with 7 TDs under Dorsey and then became a complete non-factor under Brady I am supposed to believe that he suddenly forgot how to get open?

 

what route combos was he benefitting from that Brady stopped calling? 
 

which of those do you think play well to our current room?

Edited 19 hours ago by NoSaint

[finn]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

what route combos was he benefitting from that Brady stopped calling? 
 

which of those do you think play well to our current room?

Every route in the book except wide receiver screen, half back dive, halfback screen, jet sweep, and mesh routes. With Brady and McDermott, you fit into their scheme or you get cut. 

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So when Diggs was tearing things up averaging 86 yards a game over 11 games with 7 TDs under Dorsey and then became a complete non-factor under Brady I am supposed to believe that he suddenly forgot how to get open?

 

 

Diggs was getting fed at the expense of the team.  Personally, I thought Dorsey got scapegoated for giving the world what it wants.......Josh Allen throwing the ball all over the field.   But Diggs was getting doubled and that allowed teams to put CB1 on Gabe Davis and make throwing to him extremely unproductive.  The personnel wasn't there to make that the right approach and I thought Dorsey had already begun the changes a couple weeks prior that Brady would further lean into.  They lost that Denver game because of a substitution error by McDermott at the end of the game.   Dorsey got scapegoated but as I said at the time it wasn't a big dropoff and a shot in the arm couldn't hurt.  Brady was capable.  

 

They went from 5-5 at the time and then won 23 of their next 27 meaningful regular season games under Brady.

 

The issue here isn't the OC.

 

Does he have some ineffective calls we hate every week?  Yes, but that only seems like a HUGE problem because the margin for error has diminished as the available talent has.   As impotent as they've looked on the road they might have won those Atlanta and Houston games just having Glass Kincaid healthy.

[Sojourner]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Diggs was getting fed at the expense of the team.  Personally, I thought Dorsey got scapegoated for giving the world what it wants.......Josh Allen throwing the ball all over the field.   But Diggs was getting doubled and that allowed teams to put CB1 on Gabe Davis and make throwing to him extremely unproductive.  The personnel wasn't there to make that the right approach and I thought Dorsey had already begun the changes a couple weeks prior that Brady would further lean into.  They lost that Denver game because of a substitution error by McDermott at the end of the game.   Dorsey got scapegoated but as I said at the time it wasn't a big dropoff and a shot in the arm couldn't hurt.  Brady was capable.  

 

They went from 5-5 at the time and then won 23 of their next 27 meaningful regular season games under Brady.

 

The issue here isn't the OC.

 

Does he have some ineffective calls we hate every week?  Yes, but that only seems like a HUGE problem because the margin for error has diminished as the available talent has.   As impotent as they've looked on the road they might have won those Atlanta and Houston games just having Glass Kincaid healthy.

Can’t argue with that when the stats say they have most yards on offense in the league @ 4200… 4th most passing yards and 1st in rushing. 
 

The OC isn’t THE issue but he is an issue. Bad play selections at crucial times and downs play a huge part. A bigger part is the turnovers. Clean football was how we get so many wins. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

What a legendary thread.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah this is maxed out Shakir like I tried to tell @Alphadawg7 last year.

 

He has talent and I like what he offers, but he is not good enough to be a focal point from the slot like a prime Kupp or JSN or ARSB. 

I’ve never said at any point Shakir was a WR1.  Literally never made that claim.  And I’ve never said he should be the focal point either.

[Dan Darragh]

I'll bet the OP really hates it when someone adds a post to this thread and bumps it up the list.

[DCOrange]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Khalil Shakir for multiple years had the highest separation rate against man coverage in the NFL. Now all of a sudden he can't win against man?

 

Not buying it. We have Gregg Roman 2.0

 

Great run concepts, bad pass concepts

I don't think separation data is generally very good yet but Shakir has pretty much always been below average or downright bad in terms of YPRR vs. man. He's always been great against zone.

[Psautcsk]

https://www.louisianasports.net/2025/11/22/report-saints-may-not-be-allowed-to-release-brandin-cooks/latest-stories/

 

Didn't know where else to post this. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Psautcsk

[notpolian]

41 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

I'll bet the OP really hates it when someone adds a post to this thread and bumps it up the list.

I know I do.  But at least I wasn't the OP.  

 

It's more of a LOL right now to be honest.

[VW82]

Perhaps it's too early to go here but does anyone still believe (like so many did pre-trade deadline) that we just needed to trade for a #1 and Bills would have a real shot to compete for SB this year?  

[gobills404]

Well hang on just a second. Our WRs as a whole averaged a pitiful 141 yards per game last year vs a monstrous 145 this year. Turns out OP was right all along.

Edited 16 hours ago by gobills404

[Chaos]

Everyone who knows football knows that quietly making the WR room better, is the first step in secretly building an elite offense. People are going to be stunned when the secret is finally revealed. 

[DJB]

 

Bring back Stevie. Would probably instantly still be our #1 lol

 

But honestly man he would have cooked with Josh

[Rocky Landing]

13 hours ago, ScottishBills said:

 

Any chance of an admission that you are the one with the schtick!?!? No, didn't think so. 

 

The rest of us were right the whole time 🤷🏽‍♂️

No joy in it, but worth pointing out given the amount of wanky replies that appear when you criticise the obvious shitshow we have been watching in the pass game for 2 years

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and unfortunately, I was clearly wrong about Coleman. Not sure why you feel the need to throw shade at me specifically.

[FireChans]

13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve never said at any point Shakir was a WR1.  Literally never made that claim.  And I’ve never said he should be the focal point either.

I didn’t mean to imply you did either, but I do recall us having an argument on where Shakir maxes out on the efficiency/volume curve, and I was of the opinion that 2024 was the ceiling.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Ah yes, tsw necromancy, resurrecting dead threads since nineteen hundred and ninety five 

[Buffalo Boy]

14 hours ago, VW82 said:

Perhaps it's too early to go here but does anyone still believe (like so many did pre-trade deadline) that we just needed to trade for a #1 and Bills would have a real shot to compete for SB this year?  

    As was just posted upstream, the best receiver in the league would be doubled and then who is picking up the slack?

   That is why I was against a trade. I think the team as a whole has too many holes. You would have needed to bring in a bonafide #1 and #2. The price of that would have been astronomical ( if it was even possible)

    Also, as many have said, this was the year everything opened up for us in the AFC like the parting of the Red Sea…. And we suck at WR do to Beane’s arrogance/inability😠

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    As was just posted upstream, the best receiver in the league would be doubled and then who is picking up the slack?

   That is why I was against a trade. I think the team as a whole has too many holes. You would have needed to bring in a bonafide #1 and #2. The price of that would have been astronomical ( if it was even possible)

    Also, as many have said, this was the year everything opened up for us in the AFC like the parting of the Red Sea…. And we suck at WR do to Beane’s arrogance/inability😠

You know what’s weird about the arrogance part? It just dawned on me that over the last few years the Bills have loaded up on former top 77 picks that failed everywhere. Lol, they believed that “if Andy Isabella comes here he will excel because we know best.” Looking over the last few years (in parenthesis is their draft slot): Cooper (4), Samuel (40), Moore (34), Coleman (33), Palmer (77), Hamler (46), Isabella (62), and Chase Claypool (49). With the exception of Cooper none of these guys were ever good. Now, I’m not going to be a hypocrite and fault them for taking a shot on guys that were highly thought of. I always scream for that. At the same time, there had to be a balance of, “this guy has been solid for a while” (Darnell Mooney types) to go along with Isabella, Hamler, Claypool, Coleman, etc…

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson

[Buffalo Boy]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You know what’s weird about the arrogance part? It just dawned on me that over the last few years the Bills have loaded up on former top 77 picks that failed everywhere. Lol, they believed that “if Andy Isabella comes here he will excel because we know best.” Looking over the last few years (in parenthesis is their draft slot): Cooper (4), Samuel (40), Moore (34), Coleman (33), Palmer (77), Hamler (46), Isabella (62), and Chase Claypool (49). With the exception of Cooper none of these guys were ever good. Now, I’m not going to be a hypocrite and fault them for taking a shot on guys that were highly thought of. I always scream for that. At the same time, there had to be a balance of, “this guy has been solid for a while” (Darnell Mooney types) to go along with Isabella, Hamler, Claypool, Coleman, etc…

   Kirby, it’s been out in plain site for years. And it isn’t just at receiver.

   Beane fills the roster with bargain basement signings en masse and hopes he will hit on a few. He has gotten lucky a few times but mostly not.

   All the old ad nauseum discussions come into play. Is it Josh lifting everyone up?, is the coaching actually not that bad? Are the margins just that close between good and bad teams? 
   In the end, for me, you are what your record says you are. It hasn’t worked and IMO it won’t work going forward.