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1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

Lemme ask this question:

do you think Beane Traded Diggs because he told Beane Josh doesn’t work hard enough and doesn’t have what it takes to win the superbowl ? FYI don’t agree with that but could that be what got him traded?

 

More likely he told Beane “I’ve been go to guy around here.  I see the wall handwriting next year that I’ll be second fiddle which will hurt my pride.  I’d rather be second fiddle somewhere else.  Help me please.”

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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So he's gone due to performance, and all the sideline/off field/twitter stuff you mentioned really didnt matter? Which is it?

 

 

 

He fought for yards PLENTY of times. Any time it mattered. Close to getting a 1st down, or fighting through 5 tackles to break away for a TD like against Miami last year.

 

When you already have the 1st down and a Safety is bearing down on you, better to get down, control the contact, and live to fight another day.

I agree that he made some amazing plays and that the Bills were better with him for 4 years.  I just don't consider him a "fierce competitor" based on his giving up on certain plays, even if the first down was already made.  I'm glad we had him for those years, but I'm not crying that he's gone now.  He just frustrated me at times. 

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So Tim Graham and Friends podcast

 

Graham tells a story about the aftermath of the Jets game last season.  Says how forlorn Josh Allen was after that game, taking the loss really hard.  Says when the media was allowed in, Josh was sitting there in his uniform still after the game, Kyle Allen trying to console him, and a steady stream of players coming up to him, patting him on the back, dapping him up, "we'll get them next time", Dion Dawkins "Seventeen for life, I Mean That".  Says they were all trying to pick the guy up, he had a towel draped over his head, just sitting there forlorn.  One thing Graham didn't include in his story because he didn't know what Stefon Diggs said to Allen, but Stefon Diggs came up and said something, and Josh Allen snapped at him "It's One *****in' Game!" and motioned like "I'm not talking to you here" and Diggs walked away and Josh sat there.  Says "maybe Stefon Diggs was saying something nice to him" but, he didn't snap at anybody else and there was a stream of players coming over to him.  Whatever Stefon Diggs said to him, Graham said Josh Allen wasn't having it.  


Also says Devin McCourty told him, having studied film for his NBC analyst gig heading into the season finale against the Dolphins, said "looks to me as though the Bills are trying to prove that they don't need him".  Graham says, "By definition, finishing the season 7 and 1, They Didn't."

 

Now, that [edit: the final game of the season against the Dolphins] was arguably Diggs best game of the 2nd half of the season, 7 receptions for 87 yds.  But, Shakir had 6 receptions for 107 yds, Kincaid had 7 for 84 yds.

 

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1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

It was also a different era when DBs weren’t world-class athletes. 

I can’t agree with that at all. That era had a number of world class athletes playing the position, especially at CB. 

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16 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Diggs should be productive not in the slot where Brady had him playing often.  It's difficult to envision that wasn't a huge part of Diggs' discontent.  If he returns to his usual productivity it will tell us a lot.

 

The concern for Allen which I have yet to see anyone mention, apart from the fact that if he only averages what he did under Brady, he's headed for more of a 2019 passing season rather than his recent ones, is that he's not a high-percentage short passing QB.  That's far from his forte.  But those are the WRs he's now saddled with unless someone steps up to provide what Diggs has provided over the past four seasons.  Shakir seems to be out best prospect for that right now which isn't exactly reassuring.  

 

It's all but a given that we need to draft a WR at 28th, and possibly at 60th too, or maybe a trade up in the 2nd as a safety valve.  

 

While Diggs may not have put up great numbers under Brady, he still drew coverage of some sort.  As many that have covered this trade have pointed out, which should be obvious, we don't currently have a WR that's any opposing DC is concerned about in the matchup category.  That's an issue.  And all a mere three weeks prior to the Draft.  

 

 

Not sure why you keep trotting out this 'Diggs' numbers were down because he was in the slot' narrative.

 

Slot is easier. They put him there because he couldn't get off a jam to save his life.

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6 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Diggs wants to play with his brother in Dallas. That's why he agreed to void those years.


They were always voidable. All Houston did was move the very small amount of bonus money he had left on his contract to 2024.

 

Otherwise he was cutable almost any time with next to zero cap ramification.
 

The Houston restructure is a giant nothing burger.
 

 

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6 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

Josh had better QB Rating when NOT throwing to Diggs

TBF, this doesn't account for the attention Diggs was likely receiving from the teams best corner with a safety shaded over his way also

 

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7 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

TBF, this doesn't account for the attention Diggs was likely receiving from the teams best corner with a safety shaded over his way also

 

Teams actually say they don’t give extra attention to Diggs. Heard multiple teams say it. To be honest I don’t see teams do anything special to stop Diggs.

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25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Teams actually say they don’t give extra attention to Diggs. Heard multiple teams say it. To be honest I don’t see teams do anything special to stop Diggs.

Even if this is true, he's still being covered by a team's top defensive back

 

The Bills receivers benefitted from Diggs being on the field. This is not even a discussion 

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8 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Even if this is true, he's still being covered by a team's top defensive back

 

The Bills receivers benefitted from Diggs being on the field. This is not even a discussion 

Maybe Diggs benefits from teams scared of Josh Allen? A lot of 2 deep vs Josh. A lot of LB’s spying Josh.

 

Diggs gets the best CB but teams rarely play man anymore. Especially vs Josh Allen. 

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beane indicated, but did not divulge, there were more than one reason(s) for parting with diggs.

 

WHAT  CHANGED ?? diggs was a known diva before he got here.  they knew, like most wr1's he wanted alot of targets, they knew all his warts.

 

the unspoken final nail ? josh allen got tired of coddling him. that relationship soured. he gave his blessing to move on.

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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Maybe Diggs benefits from teams scared of Josh Allen? A lot of 2 deep vs Josh. A lot of LB’s spying Josh.

 

Diggs gets the best CB but teams rarely play man anymore. Especially vs Josh Allen. 

I wasn't talking about whether Diggs benefitted from Josh...that is absolutely true.

 

You responded to my post saying that Diggs helps his fellow receivers by drawing their best defensive back and in some cases safety help

 

I'm good with moving on from Diggs, but we don't need to try and make him out to be some kind of bum that we were better off without. I simply want people to acknowledge that he is a very good player that made this team better when he was on the field

4 minutes ago, papazoid said:

beane indicated, but did not divulge, there were more than one reason(s) for parting with diggs.

 

WHAT  CHANGED ?? diggs was a known diva before he got here.  they knew, like most wr1's he wanted alot of targets, they knew all his warts.

 

the unspoken final nail ? josh allen got tired of coddling him. that relationship soured. he gave his blessing to move on.

I believe it was time also, and I don't blame Josh one bit if he said he's had enough.

 

This can actually be something Josh can use to shut up all those that wanna act like Diggs made Josh Allen into the player he is, and that he'll be worse without him.

 

If Josh can ball out this season and the Bills once again win the division with at least 10 wins, then I would imagine that he would be in serious conversation for MVP

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4 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I wasn't talking about whether Diggs benefitted from Josh...that is absolutely true.

 

You responded to my post saying that Diggs helps his fellow receivers by drawing their best defensive back and in some cases safety help

 

I'm good with moving on from Diggs, but we don't need to try and make him out to be some kind of bum that we were better off without. I simply want people to acknowledge that he is a very good player that made this team better when he was on the field

I believe it was time also, and I don't blame Josh one bit if he said he's had enough.

 

This can actually be something Josh can use to shut up all those that wanna act like Diggs made Josh Allen into the player he is, and that he'll be worse without him.

 

If Josh can ball out this season and the Bills once again win the division with at least 10 wins, then I would imagine that he would be in serious conversation for MVP

Anyone making Diggs out to be a bum is just being a hater. Diggs was an elite route separator for Josh. He can still play at a high level.

 

But I don’t believe he ever made defenses change what they do. I don’t think he was ever that type of WR.

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9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:


Somebody ..


He was controlled at $17-18 m the next three years … you don’t see him getting more money than that ?

 

no chance.  he may not be worth even that after his one season in Houston.

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Diggs is just another big mouth T.O cry baby, that will play on 5 teams before it’s done.. and got completely shut down every year against sneed.. I say see you brother 🫡 

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9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

You know this how?

 

you think this was purely a personality conflict?

 

The guy tanked the majority of the season. Plus he's a head case.

 

The team felt his output wasn't worth the trouble

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So he's gone due to performance, and all the sideline/off field/twitter stuff you mentioned really didnt matter? Which is it?

 

 

 

He fought for yards PLENTY of times. Any time it mattered. Close to getting a 1st down, or fighting through 5 tackles to break away for a TD like against Miami last year.

 

When you already have the 1st down and a Safety is bearing down on you, better to get down, control the contact, and live to fight another day.

 

see above.  his performance meant they no longer had to tolerate his attitude.

 

If he was still putting up huge numbers, they would swallow their pride and put up with him, knowing he has negligible trade value.

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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Anyone making Diggs out to be a bum is just being a hater. Diggs was an elite route separator for Josh. He can still play at a high level.

 

But I don’t believe he ever made defenses change what they do. I don’t think he was ever that type of WR.

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. And Diggs has some ***** numbers after week 6 last year 

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On 4/3/2024 at 9:41 PM, Richard Noggin said:

 

Maybe that line of criticism should go away for EVERYONE. I respect the heck out of Diggs for enjoying life's carnal pleasures. He's a bit compulsive/competitive about it, for sure (Valentine's hotel reservations a few years back, for those who know), but I think we know he's a certain kind of guy. Look up that Minnesota locker room clip of his teammates individually naming him as the guy they wouldn't trust with their sisters (or something like that). 

Nah no thanks.  I reserve the right to judge anyone that sleeps with 100s of people in a year.  I'm glad a person like that isn't in our city anymore.

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30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

no chance.  he may not be worth even that after his one season in Houston.


Agreed.
 

Even if he some how manages to go 80+, for more than 1,000 yards and even 10 TDs (given the compliment of talent there, that would be a stretch) the most someone will offer him (MOST) is 15 million per, especially and primarily heading in to a 32 year old season and maybe just for 1 year.
 

However, he could choose to go to Dallas, the Rams or KC, where he likely wants to be…and most certainly not at the money I mentioned above.  In those instances shrink that to 6-8 million.

 

 

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